Is it possible to lose salvation?

[Cyd]

you can?

Yes one of the first I noticed was this:
Galatians 5:14 (KJV) For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

When Yeshua said this:
Matthew 22:37-40 (KJV) Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

 

[Taken]

what was confusing is your statement how one can come back to body life unsaved after he was saved..

It was a question.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Salvation is Decided before Death an given After A bodily Death…
Which is WHY, Salvation is only given “Once”… and WHY “ONCE” Saved, a man is saved Forever.

You spoke as if that was a new age teaching, and not true.

Thank you.

I just never heard it put that way. Its all good.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Yes one of the first I noticed was this:
Galatians 5:14 (KJV) For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

When Yeshua said this:
Matthew 22:37-40 (KJV) Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

The context of Gal 5 is loving your brother as apposed to bitting and devouring each other. so he dod not contradict Jesus. He used th epart that was relevent to what he was trying to say.

 

[Cyd]

The context of Gal 5 is loving your brother as apposed to bitting and devouring each other. so he dod not contradict Jesus. He used th epart that was relevent to what he was trying to say.

You can explain away things that is your right as it is for us all. For myself I believe we will be held accountale for who and who's words we follow.
Here are just a few more differences
Paul Says Elders Are Entitled To Pay for 'Preaching & Teaching,' But Yeshua Says No.
Yeshua Says There Is One Pastor and Teacher (Himself), But Paul Tells Church He is a Teacher, & There Are Many Pastors and Teachers.
Paul Says God Is The God of the Dead, But Yeshua Says God Is Not The God of the Dead.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You can explain away things that is your right as it is for us all. For myself I believe we will be held accountale for who and who's words we follow.
Here are just a few more differences
Paul Says Elders Are Entitled To Pay for 'Preaching & Teaching,' But Yeshua Says No.
Yeshua Says There Is One Pastor and Teacher (Himself), But Paul Tells Church He is a Teacher, & There Are Many Pastors and Teachers.
Paul Says God Is The God of the Dead, But Yeshua Says God Is Not The God of the Dead.

I think you are looking for problems.

Your also putting the whole of the word of God in question. If paul contradicts God. then the bible cannot be trusted.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Galatians 5:14 (KJV) For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Matthew 22:37-40 (KJV) Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

I see unity in those passages because I am inclined to God’s holy word.

You seem to be inclined against the word with frivolous arguments like these.

 

[mailmandan]

The saved ARE Saved…
Yes, Salvation is Given after an accounted bodily death.

The different tenses of salvation often end up getting confused by those who teach salvation by faith AND WORKS.

We have been saved from the PENALTY of sin (justification) - Romans 5:1
We will be saved from the PRESENCE of sin (glorification) - Romans 8:23

 

[Cyd]

No I am not against the word, but as the Berians were I do the same is all on any word of man. I am focused on what Yeshua said...
Matthew 4:4 (KJV) But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Man is not God only Almighty God our Father and Yeshua are this to me. You believe how you want. God said scribes lie.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

I am focused on what Yeshua said

So is it unreasonable to infer that you ignore Paul’s writings because of your perceived contradiction with Jesus’ words?

 

[Cyd]

So is it unreasonable to infer that you ignore Paul’s writings because of your perceived contradiction with Jesus’ words?

Paul did use scripture that was out of mouth of God so I pay attention to those so it is not all things, easy ones to spot if you search in KJV in Paul's books he will say "saith the Lord" the exact phrase is said by him 10 times but there are others

 

[Marvelloustime]

Scripture teaches Peace making .
Not anti christ peace making .

@amigo de christo

 

[PeterAndroz]

You will see your salvation fulfilled, IF:

“…ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel…” (Colossians 1:23)

Since we are saved IF we believe the Gospel 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13, Eph 4:30 then to me (though I could be wrong) it makes sense that the belief must continue.
So a believer becoming UNsealed by no longer believing the Gospel makes sense since the requirement IS belief.
..
Can a believer become UNsealed by sinful actions ? Not that I know of since there are no verses from Paul that teach that

 

[GodsGrace]

Since we are saved IF we believe the Gospel 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13, Eph 4:30 then to me (though I could be wrong) it makes sense that the belief must continue.
So a believer becoming UNsealed by no longer believing the Gospel makes sense since the requirement IS belief.
..
Can a believer become UNsealed by sinful actions ? Not that I know of since there are no verses from Paul that teach that

Do you understand what the word IF means?
Do some Christians wipe this word out of their vocabulary?

Let's try again with an IF verse.

Here's the entire text:


1 Colossians 1:21-23
21And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds,

22yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach—

23if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.

Questions:

1. Is the above speaking about a saved person? Verse 22

2. What is the outcome of being reconciled? Verse 22

3. What must happen in order for this outcome to happen? Verse 23

 

[PeterAndroz]

Do you understand what the word IF means?
Do some Christians wipe this word out of their vocabulary?

Let's try again with an IF verse.

Here's the entire text:


1 Colossians 1:21-23
21And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds,

22yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach—

23if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.

Questions:

1. Is the above speaking about a saved person? Verse 22

2. What is the outcome of being reconciled? Verse 22

3. What must happen in order for this outcome to happen? Verse 23

I understand that trust/belief in the Gospel is THE ONLY (and suspect ONGOING) condition to be & remain sealed.
Do you believe that Col 1:21-23 teaches a works/performance condition to remain Eph 1:13, 4:30 sealed ?
If so, why does Paul write these :-
Titus 3:
5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Gal 2:
16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Rom 3:
28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Eph 2:
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Rom 4:
5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 5:
1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

 

[GodsGrace]

I understand that trust/belief in the Gospel is THE ONLY (and suspect ONGOING) condition to be & remain sealed.
Do you believe that Col 1:21-23 teaches a works/performance condition to remain Eph 1:13, 4:30 sealed ?
If so, why does Paul write these :-
Titus 3:
5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Gal 2:
16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Rom 3:
28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Eph 2:
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Rom 4:
5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 5:
1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

Your verses are very nice, I'm sure.

But you haven't responded to mine.
Why not?

If the above are to YOUR undersanding, then, we have a serious conflict in the NT.



Here it is again:

1 Colossians 1:21-23
21And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds,

22yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach—

23if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.

Questions:

1. Is the above speaking about a saved person? Verse 22

2. What is the outcome of being reconciled? Verse 22

3. What must happen in order for this outcome to happen? Verse 23


Please explain your understanding of the above verses.
Please reply to the questions.


Of course, IF you reply...you will immediately see the problem at hand.


Your verses are about faith.
Every Christian knows we need faith.
The rest have conditions...

 

[LoveYeshua]

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Since we are saved IF we believe the Gospel 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13, Eph 4:30 then to me (though I could be wrong) it makes sense that the belief must continue.
So a believer becoming UNsealed by no longer believing the Gospel makes sense since the requirement IS belief.
..
Can a believer become UNsealed by sinful actions ? Not that I know of since there are no verses from Paul that teach that

absolutely! Belief must continue and we must abide by Jesus' words;

Matthew 24:13 (ASV)
"But he that endureth to the end, the same shall be saved."
Jesus spoke these words while warning His disciples about trials and deception. Salvation is connected with continuing faithfully to the end.

Matthew 10:22 (ASV)
"And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end, the same shall be saved."
Again, Jesus teaches perseverance in the face of opposition.


Revelation 3:11 (ASV)
"I come quickly: hold fast that which thou hast, that no one take thy crown."
Jesus warns believers to keep firmly what they have received so that they do not lose their reward.

Revelation 14:12 (ASV)
"Here is the patience of the saints, they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus."
This verse describes God's people as those who patiently persevere, keeping God's commandments and remaining faithful to Jesus.

Together these passages show a consistent message from the Lord: faith is not only about beginning the journey but about remaining faithful and obedient until the end. As Jesus said,

John 8:31 (ASV)
"Jesus therefore said to those Jews that had believed him, If ye abide in my word, then are ye truly my disciples;"

John 15:9-10 (ASV)
"Even as the Father hath loved me, I also have loved you: abide ye in my love. If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love."

The messages repeated throughout Jesus' teachings and Revelation is clear: continue, endure, hold fast, and remain faithful until the end.

 

[Gray_Joy]

"For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast." Ephesians 2:8–9

 

[LoveYeshua]

"For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast." Ephesians 2:8–9

Nice cherry picking, I think the whole story is a bit more complex than a simple verse.

 

[GodsGrace]

Nice cherry picking, I think the whole story is a bit more complex than a simple verse.
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Just one more verse would have done it !!