Is it right for a Christian to hold a Bible in one hand and a doobie in the other?

[JohnDB]

So does CBD work as good as smoking pot for medical issues?

They aren't sure. CBD is only one chemical in marijuana.
It's only marginally effective for a particular type of seizure. (CBD)

THC is a psychotropic drug. Whether it has any effect upon pain is unproven and severely doubted. But it might work with psychosomatic pains or pain resulting from some unknown ailment. It isn't known because of the huge amount of politics and lack of good research.

 

[Grailhunter]

Yeah but you can't get high off them?

lol lol

 

[Grailhunter]

They aren't sure. CBD is only one chemical in marijuana.
It's only marginally effective for a particular type of seizure. (CBD)

THC is a psychotropic drug. Whether it has any effect upon pain is unproven and severely doubted. But it might work with psychosomatic pains or pain resulting from some unknown ailment. It isn't known because of the huge amount of politics and lack of good research.

I get all that. Agreed.
They sell enough of it. It does not make ya high, so people are buying it for another reason. And I am wondering if anyone has tried it for pain? I don't need a scientist to confirm that it works for pain...I would like to know if someone has tried it. Maybe it would give some one an option to smoking it. Or rather not to smoke it lol

 

[JohnDB]

I get all that. Agreed.
They sell enough of it. It does not make ya high, so people are buying it for another reason. And I am wondering if anyone has tried it for pain? I don't need a scientist to confirm that it works for pain...I would like to know if someone has tried it. Maybe it would give some one an option to smoking it. Or rather not to smoke it lol

The anecdotal evidence is all over the board...from anxiety, concentration, anger management, and pain.

Nobody really knows what CBD does.

 

[Grailhunter]

The anecdotal evidence is all over the board...from anxiety, concentration, anger management, and pain.

Nobody really knows what CBD does.

That is why I am interested in a discussion about it. I can tell you that Tylenol relieves pain. I might not be able to tell you all the deep medical affects of Tylenol. But real affects with real people is a real thing. I do not have a bias towards inanimate objects, they are either beneficial or not. We have Christians that smoke pot, I want to know why? Do not get me wrong, I am not ignorant on the topic. I want people to put their reasoning into words.

 

[FollowHim]

This is why I am trying to focus on the real. From the numb-skull with a drop of water and the brainiac with two drops of water in the ocean of God's wisdom...we are people. In the Lord we are brothers and sisters. The real is what I am getting at. Christian knowledge and how do you apply it. Reasoning is a skill...a skill that can be taught...based on the morals of Christ. We are mere students to of that discipline. We make mistakes, the measure of a person's character and intelligence is what we learn from our mistakes and how we affect the lives of others.

I like the principle we can learn. Jesus learnt, the apostles learnt, it is about the straight path and walking following our Lords footsteps. When I was young I was very aware that my limitations where not formed or understood, it was like I could do anything without any internal consequences. As you grow in experience you realise that what matters are these principles worked out and through many years of dedicated service.

It is very easy to believe this is all just a self indulgent exercise rather than the foundations of the Kingdom. Some who learn how to found their lives, use this strength for their own ends, as if the life they have is their own. Jesus warned us we are the branches of the vine, no more and no less, our source is embedded in Him. When our ebbs and flows become dominated by our fleeting emotions and impluses we are like a leaf in a raging torrent. If we abide in Him, things can be put into perspective and the storm is stilled. God bless you

 

[JohnDB]

That is why I am interested in a discussion about it. I can tell you that Tylenol relieves pain. I might not be able to tell you all the deep medical affects of Tylenol. But real affects with real people is a real thing. I do not have a bias towards inanimate objects, they are either beneficial or not. We have Christians that smoke pot, I want to know why? Do not get me wrong, I am not ignorant on the topic. I want people to put their reasoning into words.

We know that some people are somewhat immune to ibuprofen but Tylenol works better for them due to genetics.
That's science. Real science.

What CBD or marijuana with THC does for people is unknown. It's popular...but nobody really knows what it does.

Complete genetic and medical testing of a control group before they begin using this stuff is difficult to obtain. Most people are self medicating with no real reason or valid consistent explanation as to why.

 

[JohnDB]

One other anecdote...
A guy I know that was working construction was taking CBD. He was careful not to smoke pot.

But his drug test came back positive for THC for the minute traces the CBD contained. So he was considered to be violating a condition of his parole and had to go back to jail.

 

[Grailhunter]

It's popular...but nobody really knows what it does.

I am telling you that if Joe Christian takes CBD for pain....he knows, just the same as I know if Tylenol works. The side effects and it interaction with the body my have things to discover but if the toe does not hurt anymore than it works.

 

[Grailhunter]

One other anecdote...
A guy I know that was working construction was taking CBD. He was careful not to smoke pot.

But his drug test came back positive for THC for the minute traces the CBD contained. So he was considered to be violating a condition of his parole and had to go back to jail.

That would be very true

 

[Brakelite]

Chewing gum against the law?? That's weird.

Singapore. As well as not being allowed to chew gum, long hair on males was forbidden. If you wanted to stay and your hair in the border checks was considered too long, they had barbers at the airport ready and waiting. This was in the 60s and maybe into the 70s. Spitting in public was forbidden. Singapore was at that time and maybe still is, considered one of the cleanest cities on earth.

 

[JohnDB]

I am telling you that if Joe Christian takes CBD for pain....he knows, just the same as I know if Tylenol works. The side effects and it interaction with the body my have things to discover but if the toe does not hurt anymore than it works.

Where I don't begrudge the relief that CBD provides...I'm worried about giving morphine for a broken arm that hasn't been set...

Set and splint the arm...then giving morphine for a while works well.

And there's been some toxicity reports for CBD as well...that it causes problems when taken regularly as well.

I'm not positive that it's a good idea to take this stuff. And with it being the political football...we aren't going to find out.

 

[Grailhunter]

Where I don't begrudge the relief that CBD provides...I'm worried about giving morphine for a broken arm that hasn't been set...

Set and splint the arm...then giving morphine for a while works well.

And there's been some toxicity reports for CBD as well...that it causes problems when taken regularly as well.

I'm not positive that it's a good idea to take this stuff. And with it being the political football...we aren't going to find out.

That is why you do not want to subscribe to the political football. Politics affect even high medical minds...as with Fauci. That is why I keep saying the real. Personnel experience and expression.

I am not positive that it is a good idea to take this stuff either...I know that chemotherapy is harmful and a person should look for optional treatments. Sometimes you have to weigh the alternative negatives. It is easy for some people to say that, I would not take CBD or opiods!
But we are not living in constant pain. I am trying to get to the real here...past the static bias. Is CBD a viable alternative to smoking pot for illnesses? Is CBD a better alternative than opiods? I am sure there would be Christians that would have negative beliefs about opiods.

We are discussing Christians smoking pot for medicinal purposes. How many choose smoking pot for medicinal purposes because it get them high?...and what are the long term effects of that life of high?

As far as Christians smoking pot for recreation, that is matter of reasoning and justification...and that is still part of the discussion.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

So you are thinking it is a logical deduction....so how does that apply to the Bible? How does that apply to Christian beliefs?

As a Christian I see the world views and reality. people have to be educated not indoctrinated.
I seen one moron mother seen her child was smoking dope so she rang the cops, his life was destroyed by her, as he will never be able to be anyone now because he has a criminal record, she thought he was a drug addict !! No not at all or anything to do with such, she was just stupid, swallowing all the BS that is pushed about drugs. Oh no ! Johnny is a drug addict, Oh no next door is, or one looking for a job, Oh no a drug addict ! they are nothing of the sort.
The way some people go on about Dope is a total joke, I you have ever had a beer you should be classed in the same way, oh no a drug addict he did drink one beer you know.
I would be way more concerned if one started smoking fags in fact because that is much worse in fact.

Big difference between a casual dope smoker and a drug addict, why should they be labelled the same. I am sure that the Netherlands people are much better informed than the rest of the world. a mate had a girl friend from Holland and she said the display of idiot culture that we have does not exist, if we are not allowed something like such, then you get what we have, morons wanting to do it because it's wrong, she said dope is not desired like it was here. we have a uneducated childish culture based on the bogie man type rubbish, that helps no one.

 

[JohnDB]

No respected post PHD is actually going to perform scientific studies on these drugs.

Researchers get new research grants based upon previous work and results. That's how the NIH operates.

Now the NIH could request specific research and offer grants...but they won't. The scientific community knows something about what CBD will do in a person... because of its chemical composition and knows which parts of the body will be affected.

But the actual research probably won't be conducted. Mostly because the science is shallow and the researcher won't be able to find employment afterwards.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Yes I have looked at the affects on the brain as an organ and the mind. An I know I can tell if a person has used pot for a long time even if they are not on it at the time or have not been on it for a long time. And also most that have become addicted to harder drugs, started out with Pot. All that is true. Then you have the naturalist that study what to eat and what medications not to take but see pot as a natural high. Strangely a lot of drugs are natural. And I am interested in hearing from those that use it, what kind of lifestyle it produces.

As to the issue that most started out on dope, well = most but not all. not to mention most who have smoked dope maybe 90% never do anything more than just that. it's other issues that cause people to do stupid drugs not to mention many old people are on drugs doctor has put them on, my mum is one who has been off her fact for years with such rubbish and how many people are on uppers or happy pills as one mate calls them, I remember seeing years ago a study that half the people in Germany are on them and about 40 of the USA were on such rubbish.

I have seen old people drive out of their driveway going down the wrong side of the road and some of the drivers are a joke, ha we have 0.05 hear, you have to be kidding me as many people are hopeless drivers for a start that I have seen people who I would be much safer drivers at 2.50 easy. Some people I flat refuse to be in a car with them driving regardless.
The Socialist attack peoples freedoms and rights with stupid dictator nonsense, Oh you were speeding, every KM/H over is a killer they peddle on TV well that's a lie, there are so many variables that such is just not a fact in all cases at all, they are mad ! I got done for 0.05 drunk driving C'mon man really, I drove home everyday from work dead tyred and total worn out traveling 80km to 120km to get home for crying out loud.
The dribble that we have to put up with is astounding, One if you speed by 1 km/h you will die and if you smoke Pot you will become a drug addict.
People should be able to be open and honour not hiding in fear of nonsense.
If it's not truly a problem why make such into one, just for the hell of it.
Sure their is the percentage of morons but the law should deal with things correctly.
If I were the Judge I could say it looks like you have a problem here and then prove it is a problem but if not one could say sod off, I need no one dictating nonsense to me thank you very much, I am not under 21yo so sod off.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

As far as drug wars go...
It's an economic thing. It's not going to stop the violence by legalizing it. Even if it was free by government subsidy there still would be guys out on the street corners reselling it saying that they have the "really good stuff"
And they should try their brand.

But I've been to places where they were all so poor they couldn't buy drugs... marijuana grew wild naturally. And people fought and killed each other violently over $20. Or they fought and killed each other over the right to pick through piles of garbage.

So saying that legalizing drugs puts an end to the drug wars...it's true on one hand but untrue about it stopping the violence.

Then on top of this.
Marijuana sales and marketing has no benefit to a society. It increases overdosing... DUI, and accidents due to the fact that a lot of it is manufactured to the point that it no longer has any smell to it.

Workplace accidents do increase. And people who get injured at work who use marijuana recreationally have a two year long court battle to get workman's comp to pay the medical bills if they can prove they were actually sober when they got hurt. And in the meantime they are unemployable.

In many states just being in a fender bender that really wasn't your fault but you had some marijuana product in your vehicle makes the accident your fault automatically.

The stuff may be legal in some states...but it's extremely effective at causing job/career loss and financial ruin.

I am not for legalising such at all, I am on about licencing such, if you don't have a licence you are going to be busted. it's about doing the right thing and educating people and you will get society back on track, no more dark ages stuff with people having to hide, creating a backward moron culture of idiots.

 

[Grailhunter]

As a Christian I see the world views and reality. people have to be educated not indoctrinated.
I seen one moron mother seen her child was smoking dope so she rang the cops, his life was destroyed by her, as he will never be able to be anyone now because he has a criminal record, she thought he was a drug addict !! No not at all or anything to do with such, she was just stupid, swallowing all the BS that is pushed about drugs. Oh no ! Johnny is a drug addict, Oh no next door is, or one looking for a job, Oh no a drug addict ! they are nothing of the sort.
The way some people go on about Dope is a total joke, I you have ever had a beer you should be classed in the same way, oh no a drug addict he did drink one beer you know.
I would be way more concerned if one started smoking fags in fact because that is much worse in fact.

Big difference between a casual dope smoker and a drug addict, why should they be labelled the same. I am sure that the Netherlands people are much better informed than the rest of the world. a mate had a girl friend from Holland and she said the display of idiot culture that we have does not exist, if we are not allowed something like such, then you get what we have, morons wanting to do it because it's wrong, she said dope is not desired like it was here. we have a uneducated childish culture based on the bogie man type rubbish, that helps no one.

I understand the capacity for judging and labeling...topic for sure. But I am asking a much simpler question, Why are Christians smoking Pot? How do they rationalize that out? The topic is not about Voodoo...half in the occult and half in Christianity. This is a Bible and someone picks it up and from that reading, either they get that it is ok to smoke pot or that morality does not matter in Christianity. I want to know.

 

[JohnDB]

I understand the capacity for judging and labeling...topic for sure. But I am asking a much simpler question, Why are Christians smoking Pot? How do they rationalize that out? The topic is not about Voodoo...half in the occult and half in Christianity. This is a Bible and someone picks it up and from that reading, either they get that it is ok to smoke pot or that morality does not matter in Christianity. I want to know.

This video lines out how people come to the conclusions they own.

It's not wrong...but very often we are. This video tells how and answers your question precisely.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

I understand the capacity for judging and labeling...topic for sure. But I am asking a much simpler question, Why are Christians smoking Pot? How do they rationalize that out? The topic is not about Voodoo...half in the occult and half in Christianity. This is a Bible and someone picks it up and from that reading, either they get that it is ok to smoke pot or that morality does not matter in Christianity. I want to know.

I do not need any such thing my self, but if I seen one doing such I may ask the question as to why are they doing such. I would point out what to be carful of.
One Christian mate up the road does smoke dope at times he tells me, I could not care less what he does, I think he has it under control well, he just has weakness as he has mental issues. he comes to me at times of his weakness struggling with something or other, he does not like really coming to me with issues as such but he feels better by the time he goes home. he is a ex drug addict and he knows such things better than I do, but I listen he has been through it all, the programs and the locked up in mental hospital, such information is very interesting subject because I am not so ignorant as I once was on the subject.
I have no problem in sending people up to him if they have issues and he will set them straight about anything to do with that side of issues with drug problems.
We would clash on subjects but I just did not truly know where he was coming from as such was like double Dutch to me, but in time I came to understand much better what he was saying.

My elder brother he would always want to be getting me into trouble, he was a bad influence on me as to drinking, he would be forcing me to get drunk and as to the 1st time I seen people smoking dope he was egging me on to go and try it, he did not smoke himself but he sure wanted me to go for it.
I have a younger brother and I never did such with him I pointed out not to drink or smoke and he never has, I have always talked to him about the Bible and he is excellent on the subject to talk to.

Christianity is about strengthening one in the Lord Jesus, it's only through him that you will gain strength and resolve in what you are doing to yourself and others. Only Jesus Christ Saves ones Soul, the works of Satan are raging in man struggling against the Power in Jesus Christ. this is were we are at, we work to give aid in them suffering such, so as to let them be dealing with this struggle. there is no point in me saying don't, they will learn the hard way if they want, the ebb and the flow will take place. I can not tell anyone anything really, they have to learn themselves to get the message. what i may say may come to them in due time.
You know I never helped them, they did it on their own and we all know who to Praise, Christ Jesus hey ! it's from that well spring that we all must drink from and abide in the Vine. because outside of that one is lost. that's why I say the most important thing in your life is Jesus Christ, that's the Key. then you will have live in abundance. I am talking about Life ! not madness. Jesus came for you to give you Life in abundance, that's not riches or worldly things, for they are of this world.