You say you disagree, then tell me of His EFFECT on mankind.
I did not address His EFFECT on mankind.
I addressed HIS Being, HIS Essence, HIS Existence HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH MANKIND.
Is Jesus 100% man and 100% God
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You say you disagree, then tell me of His EFFECT on mankind.
I did not address His EFFECT on mankind.
I addressed HIS Being, HIS Essence, HIS Existence HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH MANKIND.
This is what you wrote in post# 58, and that is what I responded to.
"I always wondered, then read and learned and Believe The Word of God. Jesus’ BODY, Jesus’ BLOOD...had NOTHING to do WITH mankind."
Did I misunderstand this in some way?
I think I clarified ...
Jesus’ body and blood.....was not, is not, the will, works, result of, humans.
Jesus’ body and blood......was not OF mankind, but was FOR mankind.
Some people TEACH.....Jesus’ body and blood was “OF” mankind...even going so far as to flat out TEACH, Jesus had “Mary’s DNA”!
(Example: Thread: BOL Unproven Claims page 27; Post #258)
Scripture teaches the Spirit of God entered Mary’s womb.
Catholic teaching is God Fertilized Mary’s Seed, with Gods Seed.
(Uh.... someone having a memory lapse, or not know history?
Angelic spirits that fertilized a human woman’s seed with their seed, were call an abomination, and are presently chained in hell.)
And that is what God Himself DID? Pfff.....No!
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In the JW religion, it is impossible for someone to exist as a spirit being and
a physical being simultaneously. Well; seeing as it is impossible for God to
die, then it would be impossible to transfer His life force to the ovum of the
virgin girl, Mary.
And besides; with God dead, who would process the transfer for Him?
My unsolicited spiritual counseling is that everyone stop quarreling with JWs
over Jesus' deity and focus instead upon the characteristics of his
resurrection because according to Rom 10:9, his resurrection is one of the
essential elements of the gospel that must be accepted or risk ending up on
the wrong side of things.
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Charlie asked you what does it mean that "the word became flesh." You answered,
So I'm suggesting instead of emptying it of the meaning given by the actual wording, calling it "poetic", what if you accepted it as a propositional statement of truth, much like saying, My coffee has become cold, or, my country is turning communist, like that. The word became flesh. The Word was with God, the Word was God, and the Word became flesh, and tabernacled among us.
Not so much poetic, more just descriptive?
Much love!
So I'm suggesting instead of emptying it of the meaning given by the actual wording, calling it "poetic", what if you accepted it as a propositional statement of truth, much like saying, My coffee has become cold, or, my country is turning communist, like that. The word became flesh. The Word was with God, the Word was God, and the Word became flesh, and tabernacled among us.
Not so much poetic, more just descriptive?
Much love!
If I change jobs, I'm not a different person. Not an exact analogy, but still.
Jesus being in the Trinity is in fact God.
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I think so also. And it's over His coming in flesh (remaining) that John differentiates who is antichrist. Those who deny it.
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"Before Abraham was, I am." Before Abraham did exist, I do exist.
"Glorify me with the glory I had with you before the foundation of the world."
We accept that.
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We don't know what is possible with God, and the nature of God is a total mystery to us.
The Scripture does not explain this, i think because we couldn't understand if it did.
All I'm trying to do is help Wrangler understand what little we do know, or what I have found over the years.
I think argument is good, if something is being accomplished, if nothing more that having a better understanding of why someone believes differently than you.
Were you still yourself when you were a citizen in both Mexico and America? Or did you turn into something else?
Translating pistis as “faith” instead of “trust” has obscured the simple truth that we don’t trust what we don’t understand. Most people are not really sure of what “faith” is and so they accept the Church teaching that they can have faith in something they don’t understand. We can “accept” something and not argue about it even if we don’t understand it, but “accepting” something is not “trust.” Once we realize pistis means “trust” is when we can understand that the phrase “take it by faith” is equivalent to “just trust me.” We become suspicious and are inclined not to trust a salesperson when they say “just trust me” and so we should also think twice when someone is talking about a biblical subject and says “just take it by faith.” It should be a signal to us when a person teaching cannot explain the doctrine they are teaching and or that the doctrine is untrustworthy when we are told to “take it by faith.” The biblical meaning of the Greek word pistis is “trust” but that is not its primary meaning “on the street” today. Many Christians and most non-Christians think “faith” means “firm belief in something for which there is no proof” (Merriam-Webster’s Collegiate Dictionary, 11th edition, 2004).
Often that definition has been used to ridicule Christians and admittedly “believing in something for which there is no proof” and that seems like a questionable practice. So how did that non-biblical definition of “faith” develop? Doctrines were brought into Christianity over the centuries that were not biblically sound and some were not even logical. When those doctrines were questioned because there was no proper biblical answer is why the answer often given by the church authorities was simply “take it by faith.” The history of the Christian Church has many examples of wonderful Christians who were pressured or tortured into taking things “by faith” that did not make sense to them. Thus, over time “faith” came to mean a belief in something for which there is no proof, and the average Christian is not enough of a linguist to know that the commonly accepted definition of faith is not the actual biblical definition of the Greek and Latin text, and so they wrongly think that “belief in something for which there is no proof” is a biblical definition of “faith.”
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• Heb 11:1 . . Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the
evident demonstration of realities though not beheld.
They say that seeing is believing. Well; the above says believing is seeing.
Let's face it guys: we have no evidence to present in a court of law for
proving beyond a hint of sensible doubt that Jesus' crucified dead body
was restored to life.
• John 20:29 . . Jesus said to him: Because you have seen me have you
believed? Happy are those who do not see and yet believe.
Are we happy? Or just plain stupid?
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• Heb 11:1 . . Faith is the assured expectation of things hoped for, the
evident demonstration of realities though not beheld.
They say that seeing is believing. Well; the above says believing is seeing.
Let's face it guys: we have no evidence to present in a court of law for
proving beyond a hint of sensible doubt that Jesus' crucified dead body
was restored to life.
• John 20:29 . . Jesus said to him: Because you have seen me have you
believed? Happy are those who do not see and yet believe.
Are we happy? Or just plain stupid?
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The devils believe there is one God and tremble , so the trinity doctrine is below spiritual understanding of devils . According to James . Only The Lord God almighty is 100 % God .
Jesus often revealed he is less than 100 % God in many ways . Truly the Son of God . If you people can not understand this truth . The devils will romp over you with errors .
He was made a little lower than the angels in His humanity. He made Himself of no reputation concerning His deity, with His eyes set on the Cross to redeem man. He didn't redeem us as Deity, He redeemed us as one of us, a man. The righteousness freely given to us by Grace through faith, is the righteousness He earned in His humanity!
The Man who was God and humbled Himself through humanity to deliver you from your sins.
He has always been the Creator as illustrated in Scripture several times, but now He is the Saviour through that humanity. He is your God, Lord, Creator, Saviour, Mediator, Advocate, and the Heir of all things that He has chosen to share with you!
This is why Paul said that "all things were created by Him and for Him." What He did in redeeming man through his humanity, the Father has appointed Him/Jesus Christ the Heir of all things. In other words, it was all for Him through what He has done. Christ created His own Kingdom in which He will rule by the will of the Father.
Christ is "the fulness of the Godhead bodily" as Paul also told us!
The errors are so many I don’t know where to begin. Spirit of truth is not here .
“His humanity, His deity”.... that is the conundrum.
When a DADDY, humbles himself; stoops down to the eye level of his toddler child, plays with the child and child’s toddler toys on the child’s level of understanding....Does that DADDY, then BECOME...
Understood TO BE:
100% Toddler and 100% Daddy?
That’s a parallel picture I see, when men apply the 100% /100% Mathematical equation to Christ Jesus.
Just sayin...
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