Is Jesus the "third temple"?

[Earburner]

The Jews were confused about what temple Christ meant. You are continuing their original confusion if you think Jesus was saying his body was the third temple.

If Jesus is the third temple, the Jews cannot go there and make sacrifices and the prophecy about the man of sin standing in the temple of God also could not happen.

1. So also are you confused.

2. Exactly. For the nation of Israel to continue rejecting their Messiah-Jesus, there is no hope for them at all.
WHY?
Under the NC through Jesus, there is NO DIFFERENCE between a Jew and a Gentile. God has extended His Grace EQUALLY to ALL. Rom. 8:8-9 applies to all people, ever since Pentecost.

3. The "man of sin" is NOT a singular entity, but rather is the "natural man" of ourselves,
of which in the day that we receive Jesus as our Savior, we are made to be dead in Christ, so that He may live His Life through us.

For all who do not come to "the judgment seat of Christ" (John 3:18), being themselves "the son of perdition" (as was said about Judas Iscariot), both Jew and Gentile, who are without Christ, are equally lost, just as Judas.

 

[Davy]

None of the bowls pour until Christ returns.

Not true.

As shown in Rev.16:15-17, Jesus comes on the final 7th Vial being poured out into the 'air'. At verse 15, He is warning the Church on earth that He comes "as a thief".

 

[ewq1938]

3. The "man of sin" is NOT a singular entity, but rather is the "natural man" of ourselves,

That's not what the bible says. The man of sin is a certain man who will claim to be god and will perform miracles to deceive. He is also known as the antichrist.

 

[Earburner]

That's not what the bible says. The man of sin is a certain man who will claim to be god and will perform miracles to deceive. He is also known as the antichrist.

Since you persist in learning solely by way of "the wisdom of men", without allowing the mind of Christ to teach you, the following should provide more light on the scriptures, that have confused many Christians:
The context of KJV 2 Thes. 2:1-12, is meant to be understood in the plural.

Keys of this post:
A. Words in "black", without brackets is the KJV.
B. Words italisized [In black] with brackets is my commentary/references.
C. Words [In red] are from the Textus Receptus Greek Text.

["That spirit of antichrist" is singular, and is not plural of itself, but does infect and possess MANY of the unsaved [plural].
Our human, mortal bodies are the temples made BY God, ("made without hands"), and are FOR God's indwelling.]

[1] Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
[2] That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
[3] Let no man [any man-plural] deceive you by any means: for that day [of Christ's visible return] shall not come, except there come a falling away first [of many], and that [the] man of sin [the natural man] be revealed, the son of perdition [as is also Judas Iscariot, who is one of many son(s) of perdition- John 17:12];
[4] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God [as a god] [being the bodies of people, that were made for God], shewing himself [the natural man] that he [the natural man] is God [a god]. [Ref. John 10:34
Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?]

[5] Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
[6] And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time [and now you have seen the possessed being revealed to you at the same time].

[7] For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
[8] And then shall that [the] Wicked [lawless one [satan himself] be revealed,
whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
[9] Even him [those], whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying [monsters],
[10] And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
[11] And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
[12] That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

 

[ewq1938]

Since you persist in learning solely by way of "the wisdom of men", without allowing the mind of Christ

That is actually most applicable to you. Your exegesis is a disaster. The man of sin isn't us, it's a man we also know as the antichrist. Jesus also does not destroy satan at the second coming as he is imprisoned in a pit. Not until after being released will satan be destroyed.

 

[Earburner]

That's not what the bible says. The man of sin is a certain man who will claim to be god and will perform miracles to deceive. He is also known as the antichrist.

Church-ianity's words: "The Antichrist", are not written in the KJV or the Textus Receptus Greek Text.
However, according to 1 John there are MANY [plural] antichrists (1 John 2:18), who are possessed by "THAT [singular] spirit of antichrist"- 1 John 4:4.

 

[Earburner]

That is actually most applicable to you. Your exegesis is a disaster. The man of sin isn't us, it's a man we also know as the antichrist. Jesus also does not destroy satan at the second coming as he is imprisoned in a pit. Not until after being released will satan be destroyed.

You have much to re-learn in order to escape the persuasive errors of church-ianity.
I don't live by the exegesis of "the wisdom of men", but rather "by the mind of Christ".
1 Cor. 2:5, 16.

 

[Earburner]

Jesus also does not destroy satan at the second coming as he is imprisoned in a pit. Not until after being released will satan be destroyed.

You are lacking understanding of the gospels, concerning the present Age of God's Grace, whereby Jesus speaks the parable about "the strong man". Mat 12:29, Mark 3:27, Luke 11:21. See also Mat. 12:43, Luke 11:24.
The above is HOW satan is bound during the present Age of God's Grace through faith in Jesus.

The following is the CAUSE of how satan is bound during the period of God's Grace:
Through the death and resurrection of Jesus, satan is cast out of every person who accepts Jesus as their Savior, and by His Holy Spirit takes up permanent residence within them. Therefore, Satan (that spirit of antichrist) can never "return" to possess them again.

As the Age of God's Grace through faith in Jesus wanes, due the genius and wonders of science and technology by satan, men are no longer seeking God by faith, and are instead resorting to grasp the lie that we ourselves "are gods".
Satan has been booted out of Heaven and onto the earth, having great wrath. For every person who receives Jesus as their Savior, by the presence of God's Holy Spirit, Satan is booted out of them also.

 

[ewq1938]

You have much to re-learn in order to escape the persuasive errors of church-ianity.
I don't live by the exegesis of "the wisdom of men", but rather "by the mind of Christ".
1 Cor. 2:5, 16.

You have much to re-learn in order to escape the persuasive errors of your church-ianity.
I don't live by the exegesis of "the wisdom of men", but rather "by the mind of Christ".
which means not changing the man of sin into MEN of sin, and not teaching satan is destroyed at the second coming when scripture says he isn't. Jesus isn't the new Earth either. Too much unscriptural new age nonsense in your church-ianity.

 

[ewq1938]

As the Age of God's Grace through faith in Jesus wanes, due the genius and wonders of science and technology by satan, men are no longer seeking God by faith, and are instead resorting to the lie that we ourselves "are gods".

Interesting because you teach the man of sin is actually people, and the bible says the man of sin claims to be god.

 

[Earburner]

You have much to re-learn in order to escape the persuasive errors of your church-ianity.
I don't live by the exegesis of "the wisdom of men", but rather "by the mind of Christ".
which means not changing the man of sin into MEN of sin, and not teaching satan is destroyed at the second coming when scripture says he isn't. Jesus isn't the new Earth either. Too much unscriptural new age nonsense in your church-ianity.

Your mortal body and fleshly mind is not "the man of sin", "the natural man", "the son of perdition (destruction)"??
When Jesus returns from Heaven, in all His visible Glory, in flaming fire, you won't need to be "changed" into His likeness??

 

[Earburner]

Interesting because you teach the man of sin is actually people, and the bible says the man of sin claims to be god.

The "man of sin" is nothing more than people who are unsaved, having not the Spirit of God. Rom. 8:9. They are "the natural man" claiming to be "a god", and therefore are "a God" unto themselves, mapping out their own destiny, applying their own wills to their lives.
If you doubt that, then how is Judas Iscariot called to be "the son of perdition", but not Peter, who denied knowing Jesus three times?

The difference is this, Judas didn't come to repentance, but died before Pentecost, and was not present to receive the Gift of God's Holy Spirit, which is the vehicle of Eternal Life.
Peter on the other hand did repent, and was present on the Day of Pentecost, thus receiving the Gift of the Holy Spirit.

 

[ewq1938]

The "man of sin" is nothing more than people who are unsaved, having not the Spirit of God. They are "the natural man" claiming to be "a god".

That doesn't match the text, where Paul speaks of a man called the man of sin who claims to be god. So many prophets wrote of an end times person who rules the world, persecutes Christians and even performs miracles to deceive. One of those deceptions is the teaching that this man will not exist. That is one of the many ways that cause the Apostasy to take place.

 

[ewq1938]

Your mortal body and fleshly mind is not "the man of sin", "the natural man", "the son of perdition (destruction)"??

People ie: mortal body etc is not the man of sin Paul spoke of and not the son of perdition.

Do you also think satan isn't a real person?

 

[Earburner]

You have much to re-learn in order to escape the persuasive errors of your church-ianity.
I don't live by the exegesis of "the wisdom of men", but rather "by the mind of Christ".
which means not changing the man of sin into MEN of sin, and not teaching satan is destroyed at the second coming when scripture says he isn't. Jesus isn't the new Earth either. Too much unscriptural new age nonsense in your church-ianity.

2 Thes. 2
[7] For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
[8] And then shall that [the] Wicked [lawless one [satan himself] be revealed,
whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming.

I never said that Jesus is the New earth, but rather WE who are saved are the New earth, being that of God's dwelling place through Jesus, wherein dwells God's righteousness.
John 14:23, 2 Cor. 4:7, 2 Peter 3:13.

 

[Earburner]

That doesn't match the text, where Paul speaks of a man called the man of sin who claims to be god. So many prophets wrote of an end times person who rules the world, persecutes Christians and even performs miracles to deceive. One of those deceptions is the teaching that this man will not exist. That is one of the many ways that cause the Apostasy to take place.

Actually no. The MoB will cause the apostasy, of which in so doing, will separate the sheep from the goats, visibly revealing those who are without the Spirit of Christ. Rom. 8:9.

 

[Earburner]

People ie: mortal body etc is not the man of sin Paul spoke of and not the son of perdition.

Do you also think satan isn't a real person?

Then why is Judas Iscariot "THE son of perdition", if there is another "one" called "THE son of perdition" to come?
Evidently, there is more than one, as in plural.

Could it simply be, that everyone who is not saved, is only "the natural man", being "the man of sin"? I'm sure that it is.

In what I have written many times, you know I believe that satan is a real angel, aka Lucifer, who is fallen from Heaven, and was cast out onto the earth, having great wrath.

 

[ewq1938]

Then why is Judas Iscariot "THE son of perdition", if there is another "one" called "THE son of perdition" to come?
Evidently, there is more than one, as in plural.

Each is singular. Judas was a type of the other son of perdition.

Could it simply be, that everyone who is not saved, is only "the natural man", being "the man of sin"? I'm sure that it is.

No, that is false. This doctrine only tries to erase the man of sin so people aren't watching for him. He is a false christ so not watching for him is dangerous.

In what I have written many times, you know I believe that satan is a real angel, aka Lucifer, who is fallen from Heaven, and was cast out onto the earth, having great wrath.

Fine, but it only helps satan to say the man of sin is not actually a man who is coming to deceive people as Paul wrote:

2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
2Th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

 

[ewq1938]

2 Thes. 2
[7] For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
[8] And then shall that [the] Wicked [lawless one [satan himself] be revealed,
whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming.

I never said that Jesus is the New earth, but rather WE who are saved are the New earth, being that of

We are not the new Earth. Jesus isn't the new Heaven or whatever new age teaching you have about him.

 

[Davy]

That doesn't match the text, where Paul speaks of a man called the man of sin who claims to be god. So many prophets wrote of an end times person who rules the world, persecutes Christians and even performs miracles to deceive. One of those deceptions is the teaching that this man will not exist. That is one of the many ways that cause the Apostasy to take place.

Right. I have heard those deceived Churches preach that there is no singular Antichrist figure to come, that Paul was speaking of the "many antichrists" idea only. I feel sorry for those congregations under that kind of false teaching.

Truly, in this day and time, because Lord Jesus and His Apostles especially warned us about the deceptions at the end of this world, IF... the believer does not first have a working understanding in God's written Word, then they will have little chance at discovering whether their preachers are actually teaching God's Word or not.