Is Jesus the "third temple"?

  • Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.

    You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

Earburner

Well-Known Member
Feb 2, 2019
6,578
1,545
113
74
South Carolina
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
It says a new Earth. Man is made immortal on this old Earth and after the GWTJ the NHNE will come and those same immortal people will live on the new Earth. The new Earth is NEVER symbolic of saved/immortal people.
Man alone will be made immortal only!
Birds, animals, plants and bugs, etc. will NOT be made Immortal, or eternal.
That means, according to the thinking of church-ianity, professing that there will be a new planet, with animals etc., THERE WILL STILL BE DEATH.

Or....on that proposed new planet, where there won't be ANY OTHER living creatures (that die), there will be only the immortal saints, with the angels, God the Father and God the Son.

By that way of thinking, all the spiritual beings there, will be confined to a dirt living existence AGAIN!!??
I doubt it!!
 

ewq1938

Well-Known Member
Jul 11, 2015
6,061
1,233
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Man alone will be made immortal only!


Everyone knows that. (you are using a strawman fallacy).

The point is that man is made immortal BEFORE the New Earth occurs.
This proves the saved are not the New Earth.
 

Earburner

Well-Known Member
Feb 2, 2019
6,578
1,545
113
74
South Carolina
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
And like Pretrib you think he can come suddenly which is false and unscriptural.
After the falling away from faith, which will be caused by the MoB, thus separating the sheep from the goats, God the Father will then suddenly end His Age of Grace, by sending His Son, of whom shall appear from Heaven suddenly.
 
Last edited:

Earburner

Well-Known Member
Feb 2, 2019
6,578
1,545
113
74
South Carolina
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Everyone knows that. (you are using a strawman fallacy).

The point is that man is made immortal BEFORE the New Earth occurs.
This proves the saved are not the New Earth.
It proves nothing of the sort, except that you are not understanding the parameters of what I said.
 
Last edited:

Earburner

Well-Known Member
Feb 2, 2019
6,578
1,545
113
74
South Carolina
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Everyone knows that. (you are using a strawman fallacy).

The point is that man is made immortal BEFORE the New Earth occurs.
This proves the saved are not the New Earth.
Sorry that you have divided up multitudes of earthly time zones for Revelation to play out.

When Jesus Gloriously returns, it will be a one time, simultaneous event of destruction to all the wicked, and the bodily resurrection for all the saints. We will be received by Him to be where He is, and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
2 Peter 3:10-13 will be completely fulfilled in that very "same day".
 

Earburner

Well-Known Member
Feb 2, 2019
6,578
1,545
113
74
South Carolina
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
It says a new Earth. Man is made immortal on this old Earth and after the GWTJ the NHNE will come and those same immortal people will live on the new Earth. The new Earth is NEVER symbolic of saved/immortal people.
If you are in Christ Jesus, are you not "a New creature" [creation], as opposed to all who remain to be "the natural man", aka "the man of sin"?
Edit: in reality born again Christians are the New earth, wherein God's righteousness dwells, whereas the unsaved are the Old earth, wherein wickedness dwells.

Jer. 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
 
Last edited:

ewq1938

Well-Known Member
Jul 11, 2015
6,061
1,233
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
If you are in Christ Jesus, are you not "a New creature" [creation], as opposed to all who remain to be "the natural man", aka "the man of sin"?


The man of sin from the bible is a certain person, not unsaved people.



Edit: in reality born again Christians are the New earth,

This is unscriptural nonsense. The Earth will be destroyed and a new Earth will replace it and saved Christians will live ON the new Earth.
 

Earburner

Well-Known Member
Feb 2, 2019
6,578
1,545
113
74
South Carolina
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
The man of sin from the bible is a certain person, not unsaved people.





This is unscriptural nonsense. The Earth will be destroyed and a new Earth will replace it and saved Christians will live ON the new Earth.
Ok....so what will be in the New earth, lacking ALL mortal, living life of this present creation?
1. God the Father, who is within Jesus.
2. The spirit beings of God's holy angels,
4. All we, who have been resurrected into the likeness of Jesus' immortality, having the Spirit of Jesus, with the Father dwelling in him.
Heb. 10:20. By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

Does God NEED a planet? No.
Does Jesus now need a planet? No.
Will we need a planet? No.

We will inherit exactly what Jesus inherited, eternal life, in an immortalized earthen body.
2 Cor. 4:7
But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

John 14:17
Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Rom. 8:9
 

ewq1938

Well-Known Member
Jul 11, 2015
6,061
1,233
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Ok....so what will be in the New earth, lacking ALL mortal, living life of this present creation?

Read Rev 21-22.



1. God the Father, who is within Jesus.
2. The spirit beings of God's holy angels,
4. All we, who have been resurrected into the likeness of Jesus' immortality, having the Spirit of Jesus, with the Father dwelling in him.
Heb. 10:20. By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

Does God NEED a planet? No.
Does Jesus now need a planet? No.
Will we need a planet? No.


Yes it's a need because it's prophecy. The new Earth will be a reality.




We will inherit exactly what Jesus inherited, eternal life, in an immortalized earthen body.
2 Cor. 4:7
But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.


And that immortal body will live upon a literal new Earth.

Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
 

Earburner

Well-Known Member
Feb 2, 2019
6,578
1,545
113
74
South Carolina
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Read Rev 21-22.






Yes it's a need because it's prophecy. The new Earth will be a reality.







And that immortal body will live upon a literal new Earth.

Rev 21:24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
What your theory of understanding conveys about the KoG, is to always place the KoG outside of yourself, making it to be that the KoG is external, being a physical domain, requiring a physical placement, such as a literal planet.
Jesus explained it to be just the opposite. Luke 17:21- Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
 
Last edited:

ewq1938

Well-Known Member
Jul 11, 2015
6,061
1,233
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
What your theory of understanding conveys about the KoG, is to always place the KoG outside of yourself, making it to be that the KoG is external, being a physical domain, requiring a physical placement, such as a literal planet.
Jesus explained it to be just the opposite. Luke 17:21- Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.


The KoG was spiritually within people, but it will literally be on the Earth one day. As scripture says, "They kingdom come...". It will come.

Luke 19:11 And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.


They were wrong then, and they are wrong today. Listen to scripture! Don't listen to "spirits" or men/women who have doctrines that are outside of the Word of God but claim they are new revelations from "god".

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Matthew 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Matthew 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.


So, there is a day coming that people will come to Christ and claim they have the right to enter the Kingdom but he will refuse them.



Matthew 13:45 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:
Matthew 13:46 Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it.
Matthew 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:
Matthew 13:48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away.
Matthew 13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just,
Matthew 13:50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Matthew 13:51 Jesus saith unto them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea, Lord.


Have you understood these things? The Kingdom comes "at the end of the world" when there shall be a separation of the good and bad. The bad will be destroyed. The Kingdom is being likened to judgement, where the wicked die and the just will receive eternal life!



Matthew 20:1 For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard.
Matthew 20:2 And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day, he sent them into his vineyard.
Matthew 20:3 And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace,
Matthew 20:4 And said unto them; Go ye also into the vineyard, and whatsoever is right I will give you. And they went their way.
Matthew 20:5 Again he went out about the sixth and ninth hour, and did likewise.
Matthew 20:6 And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle?
Matthew 20:7 They say unto him, Because no man hath hired us. He saith unto them, Go ye also into the vineyard; and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive.
Matthew 20:8 So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first.
Matthew 20:9 And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny.
Matthew 20:10 But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny.
Matthew 20:11 And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house,
Matthew 20:12 Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.
Matthew 20:13 But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny?
Matthew 20:14 Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee.
Matthew 20:15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?


Every Christian should recognize that this parable is concerning eternal life and how it can be achieved even in the 11th hour. A person can live a sinners life right up to their last day alive, believe upon Christ and convert and repent and and they shall be saved! This is what the Kingdom is likened or compared to!


Matthew 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.


What are they planning to do? MEET the bridegroom which is none other than Christ! This is concerning the second coming.


Matthew 25:2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
Matthew 25:3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
Matthew 25:4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
Matthew 25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
Matthew 25:6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
Matthew 25:7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
Matthew 25:8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
Matthew 25:9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
Matthew 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
Matthew 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
Matthew 25:12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
Matthew 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.


The Kingdom is likened not only to the end and the final judgement of death or eternal life but also to Christ's return. Why? Because some at His return enter into that Kingdom immediately, and some have to wait until judgement day. This is the difference between the first and second resurrections. Those of the first have no worry about the second death since it has no power over them, this being prior to judgement day!


Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.


These are known as the firstfruits, the elect.


Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Matthew 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Matthew 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:


Here again we see in very easily understood words that entering or inheriting the Kingdom is first accomplished by overcomers at the second coming, also known as the 7th trump.



Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:


Here we see the return of Christ. We know from Paul that the elect are changed bodily in a twinkling of an eye, and from Rev 19 and other places that the rest are slain by Christ therefore changing bodies in the more painful way known as the first death.


The point is that after Christ returns, there will be no living human flesh any longer.


Matthew 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
Matthew 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.


Here we have that separation between the good and bad.


Matthew 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:


And it is then that those on the right hand inherit the Kingdom at that time which is about 1000 years prior to when those of the second resurrection may inherit the Kingdom themselves.
 

ewq1938

Well-Known Member
Jul 11, 2015
6,061
1,233
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Lets define inherit:


2816

2816 kleronomeo {klay-ron-om-eh'-o}

from 2818; TDNT - 3:767,442; v

AV - inherit 15, be heir 2, obtain by inheritance 1; 18

1) to receive a lot, receive by lot
1a) esp. to receive a part of an inheritance, receive as an inheritance, obtain by right of inheritance
1b) to be an heir, to inherit
2) to receive the portion assigned to one, receive an allotted
portion, receive as one's own or as a possession
3) to become partaker of, to obtain



klay-ron-om-eh'-o
From G2818; to be an heir to (literally or figuratively): - be heir, (obtain by) inherit (-ance).



So this means to receive something, to be partaker of something promised to you as an inheritance.


So is "inheriting the Kingdom" different from "entering the Kingdom"?


No.


In the times of the great Kingdoms, one had to have permission to enter through the gates which were guarded very carefully and with great force. Either you had special permission, perhaps a scroll with a seal of a King, or the guards knew who you were. Either way, no one got into a Kingdom without having the right to enter. It is the same with the Kingdom of God. Either you inherited/received the right to enter it or you have not, and God's Kingdom is the most guarded Kingdom that will ever exist. Not one person who enters into it does not deserve it or does not have prior permission.


So, to enter the Kingdom means that a person has permission of the King and for Christians that is accomplished through inheritance. The Father essentially passing down the Kingdom to us, the sons of God. (no sex bias implied)


1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.


Flesh is corrupt and it cannot inherit or receive the Kingdom because the Kingdom is incorruptible just as the spiritual body is.


1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1 Corinthians 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.


Note that Paul is deliberately associating inheriting the Kingdom with the flesh changing into the incorruptible spiritual body.


1 Corinthians 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1 Corinthians 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.


This is why it is written that flesh and blood cannot inherit the Kingdom and also why Paul also speaks of the change of bodies. No flesh and blood will exist when the Kingdom is available to be inherited.


John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.


The Kingdom is not Earthly, not carnal. It does not reside in carnal, fleshy servants of Christ for it is not from hence, not from them and not made up of them. It is a heavenly thing, beyond what flesh can understand or inherit. This is why the change of bodies must happen before this Kingdom can be received and inherited by the faithful.


Luke 11:2 And he said unto them, When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.


Lets look at translations not based in older English:


(ALT) 'Let Your kingdom come; let Your will be done, as in heaven, [so] also on the earth.


(BBE) Let your kingdom come. Let your pleasure be done, as in heaven, so on earth.


(CEV) Come and set up your kingdom, so that everyone on earth will obey you, as you are obeyed in heaven.


(Darby) let thy kingdom come, let thy will be done as in heaven so upon the earth;


(GNB) may your Kingdom come; may your will be done on earth as it is in heaven.


(GW) Let your kingdom come. Let your will be done on earth as it is done in heaven.


(HNV) Let your Kingdom come. Let your will be done, as in heaven, so on earth.


(ISV) May your kingdom come. May your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.


(LITV) Your kingdom come; Your will be done, as it is in Heaven, also on the earth.


(WEB) Let your kingdom come. Let your will be done, as in heaven, so on earth.


(WNT) let Thy kingdom come; let Thy will be done, as in Heaven so on earth;


This is Christ's example of how to pray! Among many things is to pray that the Kingdom will come, meaning it isn't there yet.


2 Timothy 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;


Here again we see that the Kingdom arrives with Christ at his second coming. Before this the Kingdom is a promise, an inheritance guaranteed to arrive when the King does.


Having Christ in us now does not make us his Kingdom, it makes us the temple of God as is written:


1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1 Corinthians 3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.


A temple is not a Kingdom.


We are heirs to the Kingdom, the temple of God awaiting the Messiah's return and His Kingdom so that we may inherit it and our rightful place within that Kingdom.


Revelation 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.


Interestingly enough, after the King and the Kingdom comes and after judgement day we are no longer the temple.


The Lord God Almighty and the Lamb will be the temple for all eternity.


Lets see what the OT has to say on this matter:


Daniel 7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
Daniel 7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.


Here we have the Ancient of Days, which is God the Father which will be shown in some earlier verses, and the saints will possess the Kingdom. This is after the "little horn" is defeated, meaning the 7th trump and time after that.


Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.


Here we clearly see Christ as the Son of Man coming before his Father called the Ancient of days.


Daniel 7:14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.


The Kingdom and dominion is given to Christ by his Father and this is when "the saints will possess the Kingdom" as stated above.


The point being when the Kingdom comes and when it can be possessed by the saints.


Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.


Only after the seventh trump sounds will the Kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of the Lord God and of His Christ, Jesus.


So with these facts in mind, lets go to some verses that are easily misunderstood:




Luke 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luke 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.


This is concerning WHEN the Kingdom finally comes and what they will do and say at that time.


To understand this, one must stick to the subject and the context.


The Pharisees ask when the Kingdom will come or arrive. That's the subject! When will the Kingdom of God come?


Christ DOES NOT say "It's already here in my believers."


What Christ says is that the Kingdom's arrival cannot be observed in a literal way since it is not a literal/tangible Kingdom such as are the Kingdoms of men. When it does arrive, it shall be "within" the believers as a whole or group. If following the subject here is not enough, we know this simply from the other scriptures in the beginning of this study. The Kingdom first arrives for the elect of the first resurrection at the second coming, then those who are of the second resurrection on judgement day will then receive that Kingdom and enter into it as well.
 

ewq1938

Well-Known Member
Jul 11, 2015
6,061
1,233
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Also do not misunderstand what Christ says about "the Kingdom of God is within you". It does not mean literally or spiritually inside of someone. According to Thayers lexicon the definition and meaning of the word "within" "in the midst of you" and not "within you". A dictionary will only give all possible meanings of a given word but won't tell you which one applies in each of its appearances in scripture where but a lexicon will.


1787

1787 entos {en-tos'}


from 1722;; prep

AV - within 2; 2


1) within, inside
1a) within you i.e. in the midst of you
1b) within you i.e. your soul



In this case the meaning is "1a) within you i.e. in the midst of you" as in among or within a group of people not inside each individual.




Luke 21:29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
Luke 21:30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
Luke 21:31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.


Its nigh at hand WHEN you see these things come to pass! And even then, it is nigh at hand (near but not here yet!) even when those things have come to pass!


Lets take a look at "these things" that have to come to pass before "the Kingdom of God is NIGH at hand"


Luke 21:6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Luke 21:7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?
Luke 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.
Luke 21:9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.
Luke 21:10 Then said he unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
Luke 21:11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.
Luke 21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.
Luke 21:13 And it shall turn to you for a testimony.
Luke 21:14 Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:
Luke 21:15 For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
Luke 21:16 And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.
Luke 21:17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
Luke 21:18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
Luke 21:19 In your patience possess ye your souls.
Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Luke 21:21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
Luke 21:22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
Luke 21:23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
Luke 21:25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
Luke 21:26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.


[font size=4]Luke 21:27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.[/font]


Luke 21:28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
Luke 21:29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees;
Luke 21:30 When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.
Luke 21:31 So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.


Have these things come to pass yet? I'm sure an argument can be made for most, but surely Christ has not come in power and glory that has been seen. It is written elsewhere that every eye shall see and every knee shall bow. Look around and try to tell me that has happened.
 

ewq1938

Well-Known Member
Jul 11, 2015
6,061
1,233
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Lets look at the corresponding scriptures in Matthew:


Matthew 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Matthew 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
Matthew 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
Matthew 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
Matthew 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Matthew 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Matthew 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
Matthew 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
Matthew 24:10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
Matthew 24:12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand)
Matthew 24:16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Matthew 24:17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Matthew 24:18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
Matthew 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
Matthew 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.



[font size=4]Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.[/font]


Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
Matthew 24:25 Behold, I have told you before.
Matthew 24:26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.


[font size=4]Matthew 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.[/font]


Matthew 24:28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.


[font size=4]Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven : and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Matthew 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.[/font]


Matthew 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
Matthew 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Matthew 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Matthew 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Matthew 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Matthew 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Matthew 24:41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
Matthew 24:42 Watch therefore for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Matthew 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
Matthew 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
Matthew 24:45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
Matthew 24:46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
Matthew 24:47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
Matthew 24:48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
Matthew 24:49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
Matthew 24:50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
Matthew 24:51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


Matthew gives much more detail. Has the tribulation come yet? Has the "abomination of desolation", the Antichrist, come yet? Have the elect been delivered up and killed? Has Christ returned like lightning from east to the west and has every eye seen this? Have angels gathered the elect together?


Luke 19:11 And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.


They were wrong then, and they are wrong today. Listen to scripture! Don't listen to "spirits" or men/women who have doctrines that are outside of the Word of God but claim they are new revelations from "god".
 

ewq1938

Well-Known Member
Jul 11, 2015
6,061
1,233
113
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
When Jesus Gloriously returns, it will be a one time, simultaneous event of destruction to all the wicked,


That is not what the bible says. The wicked are not all killed at the second coming according to multiple scriptures including Rev 2 and 19-20.