Is Satan an angel?
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That isn’t science, that’s an assumption. Assumption is opposite to science. Science investigates, and has not come to that conclusion.
Science simply applies the scientific approach. Not finding something is not the same as denial.
Post pics.
Behold
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He's a rank of Angel, a Cherub.
Where do you find these?
You find 2 of them in GOLD on opposite sides of the Ark of the Covenant.
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It's science, not an assumption. Sound is vibrations and pressure waves in the air. A falling tree will still make a sound whether or not we are there to hear it. If you say "Good night" to your wife as you go to bed and I don't hear it because I am thousands of miles away, that doesn't mean that you didn't make a sound, it just means that I am not within range to hear it. It's the same with a falling tree.
What would be the point of posting a picture of something that is invisible!Post pics.
Where the judgement takes place is totally irrelevant to what happens before the judgement!
Ziggy
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I think existence is multi layered and we only know of two of them.
Look up, look down, look inward, look outward, look forwards, look backwards.. multi layered.
I don't think Satan is an Angel. I think he is a time and place.
He is death and the grave, the very opposite of Christ which is life and heaven.
Deu 30:19
I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
We say, the angel of death, because he is the bringer of it. Just as Christ is the bringer of light.
The evening and the morning.
Perhaps these are the two cherubim that reside over the mercy seat.
One accuses and the other pardons.
it's a paradox.
Eph 3:14
For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Eph 3:15
Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,
Eph 3:16
That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
Eph 3:17
That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
Eph 3:18
May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
Eph 3:19
And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
So who gave Satan his name? The Father. Who gave Jesus Christ his name? The Father.
Who gives us names? Our parents.
We give our children names.
It's like a family tree.
Satan isn't a very good dad, so the Father took his children and gave them to Jesus Christ.
And we are passed from death unto life.
And he paid for us with his own blood.
There so many ways to consider everything.
I don't know if we'll ever fully understand it all.
But it sure is fun picking at it.
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Ronald Nolette
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Wrong it is science. WE know that a tree falling makes a sound. Just because we do not observe it, does not mean it doesn't happen. Same thing with a rock thrown in water, whether we see it or not, unless acted upon by something greater than the rock weighing more than water, it will fall to the bottom.
If that were true, they would fully deny Darwinian evolution and the age of the universe they hold to.
But we know after repeated experiments and research, every time a tree falls and is not interacted by a greater force, when it hits another object, it makes a sound. You have to assume that because it is not heard by humn ears it may not make a sound.
That is just like the assumption that there are other planets outside of the solar system. We have not actually observed a real planet, just assumptions.
There are recorded examples of people interacting with angels. But because they are testimony from religious persons, science discounts them to 0
Bob Estey
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Before judgment, I think it would be wise if we behave ourselves so our judgment(s) are joyous occasions.
The assumption is the believing of the thought ‘it was heard’, in spite of direct experience (it was not).
Similarly, “we hear”.
Same assumption. There’s an experience of the thought / assumption only.
There is, in honesty, sincerity & integrity… no actual experience of what the thought is about, and that’s the assumption or assumptive aspect.
This is what the most recent Nobel prize was awarded for.
A picture isn’t invisible, a picture is an appearance, what’s appearing (as perception & the thought “picture”) is invisible.
The old saying (if a tree falls…) highlights direct experience. Without being there to actually hear it, what’s directly experienced is only the assumption ‘it made a sound’. Science, so to speak, discovered this over a hundred years ago. It’s why that old saying was said. (“Hear it” leaves much ‘meat on the bone’ as well).
The only actual experience of ‘we know’, ‘we observe’, and ‘we see it or not’ - is the assumption.
Right & wrong are never actually experienced either - only the thoughts “right” and “wrong” are experienced.
Experience is the point (not judgement & suffering therein). Don’t eat the from the tree of the knowledge of good & evil (good & bad, right & wrong)… was God’s only request. Heed the flaming sword, go instead to the tree of life.
For those with ears to hear.
Thoughts are, thoughts.
Perception is, perception.
There is no need whatsoever for denial.
Evolution & time are concepts… thoughts.
Assumptions.
But you don’t have to assume. It’s not like anyone’s forcing you to or is benefited by doing so in any way.
To the contrary; this very conversation.
Earth is the thought, earth.
Non-conceptual, simple, self-evident.
And ye believe there is “science”.
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Bob Estey
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We need to repent before we can pass onto the resurrection. We can do that now, or wait till we are on our deathbed. Assuming we do, I think we will pass right onto the resurrection when we die.
Nope. resurrection occurs at 2nd coming
1Thess 4 :
13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Bob Estey
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Jesus commanded us to repent of our sin (Matt 4:17). If we do, I believe we'll find the gate.
Ronald Nolette
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No it is the fact that a falling tree will make a sound every time is a law of science (unless it doesn't fall for a bizarre reason) Every fallen tree makes a noise, so we do not have to be there to know it will make a sound. It has been tested repeated and observed enough for it to be a law.
Wrong again. Point a gun at your head, pull the trigger and see if your suicide is just a thought or reality.
Experience is the result of doing! And doing a wrong act will bring a negative experience
Well I agree evolution is an unprovable concept. But time is a reality. It is a tool of measurement.
So what was your point in bringing up the question?
Earth is the thought based on teh reality of earth. If we had no earth, we would not have a thought of what it is.
Of course there is "scince" God created true science when He created teh univewrse.
Man had to discover what God did.
Science is based on direct observation, (being there & hearing it) and not assumption. The scientific approach would be to investigate and see what is actually the case, not to presume & forego finding out.
As was said… only as the thoughts ’right & wrong’. This is verifiable now by looking for right and wrong in perception (seeing, hearing, etc) and or sensation. Inspecting helps to clarify ‘right & wrong’ are directly experienced as thoughts. Because we can inspect, there is certainly no need for drastic examples or measures.
‘Doing’ is a narrative of thoughts. This is also verifiable by simply sitting and essentially doing nothing, or, not doing anything at all. You could even hold your breathe. Experience carries on. ‘Negative’ is also never actually of perception and is another thought & way of saying wrong. No one’s saying there is anything wrong about any of this, only what is and what isn’t actually experienced.
A unprovable concept is a belief. The belief in time can be dispelled as well. Even just in reading this… it begins to be noticed that without experiencing thoughts about time… there is no actual experience of time. You might also consider, if time is real, why do we have all these clocks? You might also notice that the honest answer to when is it, is always - now. The present. Likewise, all thoughts about ‘other times’ are experienced now, presently. If that isn’t clarifying enough, actually go to a past or future, see what it’s really like, and report back in the present.
If I were in your shoes I’d sleep on it, and then read from the beginning.
The “reality” of there being an earth is based on first, learning the word. It’s a different word in other languages.
What was ‘the earth’… before learning the label? Surely you walked without ‘knowing there’s an earth’.
’Science’ is no different than ‘earth’ or’ ‘man’. Each label was learned, and that which each label points to did not arise of the labelling. It’s quite the opposite in fact.
Point taken, but also take note the three men appeared to Abraham, they were angels too.
They rested and ate and drank and communicated, like humans.
Ironically, the men of the sinful cities they about to destroy, wanted have sex with these angels being in the form of man.
The cowardice of believing thoughts in spite of how it feels needs a coward like weather needs a weatherman.
Ronald Nolette
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And once a law has been established though observation and repetition . You do not need be there to know the result of a tree falling. It was verified over and over and over and over and over and over.
So are you saying you base your morality on your sensual intake?
No. doing is not a narrative but an action as a result of deciding.
Well then I await your dispelling then.
Well you aren't so whats your point!
No the reality of the earth is the earth being there. KNowing the term is a result of learning a definition.
Well each "label" as yu call it, has been assigned a specific definition so we can understand what we are talking about. God created grammar so we can know what things are and communicate effectively.
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