Is The Beast Of Revelation 13:1-8 A Political System On Earth?

[Timtofly]

Rev. 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Case closed.



When Jesus shows up ITS OVER, thats the end, Satan is gong to cast into the bottomless pit for 1000 years.

They already have the new Adam, its us, this world is made in Satan's image, that's why God's Wrath starts 1260 days before the Second Coming. That is why the Rapture is pre trib, to take out those of us who have been regenerated by Jesus' blood.



So, a few verses after Rev. 19:20 we get this:

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Why don't you just read the scriptures? Its not that difficult, yo are just making things up that don't exist.



Antiochus was a TYPE Anti-Christ so he's human. Jason was a TYPE False Prophet, so the False Prophet will be a Jewish High Priest that throws in with a Gentile King. Jason's real name was Yeshua, he tried tom Hellenize he Jews leading unto the Maccabean Revolt.

A lot of wrong guessing going on.

Just pointing out what Revelation says. Not making up anything.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

Just pointing out what Revelation says. Not making up anything.

Just pointing out your assumption is in error.

 

[Timtofly]

Just pointing out your assumption is in error.

Which part of my post do you think is an assumption?

 

[Ronald D Milam]

Which part of my post do you think is an assumption?

The one I pointed out. That the False Prophet and Beast are TWO MEN, 2 different men,. The one I proved with Scriptures.

 

[Timtofly]

The one I pointed out. That the False Prophet and Beast are TWO MEN, 2 different men,. The one I proved with Scriptures.

The beast may be a him, but not a person. Since the image is of a him, the image is a him. Does not prove the beast is a genetic person descended from Adam.

 

[No Pre-TB]

The beast may be a him, but not a person. Since the image is of a him, the image is a him. Does not prove the beast is a genetic person descended from Adam.

If we use the example given to us in Daniel, of Nebuchadnezzar's statue, it could be masculine, but still not alive. Yet that statue or edifice, did breathe as it were and did command as it was. It did not need to speak, because all that did not bow before it was to be slain because of it. Based upon that example, it does not need to be actually alive. Most commentators also hold that to be the true intention of the image.

Sometimes it's better not to argue with others that seemed determined they are right. Many are given over to fables and doctrines of demons are they not? Others still are convinced in their own understanding and refuse wise council. Christ, when he stood before the Sanhedrin did not open his mouth, but was as a sheep lead to the slaughter. The tongue can be an unruly evil. We should all be willing to listen though and search things out. It is possible someone is given insight of something we thought we knew, and we find out after careful diligent study, we were wrong. Pride is truly a downfall of man.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

The beast may be a him, but not a person. Since the image is of a him, the image is a him. Does not prove the beast is a genetic person descended from Adam.

Follow along here.

Rev. 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? 5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Dan. 7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.

11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

Demons do not have bodies. Gabrial has gone out of the way describing a HUMAN BEING by saying he has a mouth and eyes as the EYES OF A MAN !!

The whole 666 is MANS NUMBER the Anti0Christ will not have three sixes on him and his name will not ad up to 666, the WHOLE CLUE is the LAST BEAST is a MAN (hence 666), not a Kingdom as were all of the others.

If I ALONE Dominated over a state/city/nation I would be that Dominator. If I passed my kingdom on to many other men over decades or even 100s of years then the whole kingdom would be the Beast in abstract, even though ONE MAN was the king when the Beast System started. This is why we are told the 4 Beasts were 4 Kings which arise.

Dan. 7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.

Now we can understand this whole passage in Rev. 17.

Revelation 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains (7 powers not 7 Hills which is WEIRD THINKING IMHO), on which the woman(Harlot or ALL False Religion of all time) sitteth. 10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

{{ This is God pointing back to Dan. 7:18, there was ONE KING which started every Beast Kingdom, and now God is showing us the OTHER END of the spectrum, that there will also be ONE MAN in charge of every Beast System when it FALLS as a Beast Kingdom, and that is a natural process. }}

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth(Apollyon the Scarlet Colored Beast is a Demon who is King over the Bottomless Pit as Rev. 9: tells us), and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition. 12 And the ten horns(E.U. Nations collectively = 10 or Completion) which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet(No Beast kingdom); but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

Notice the ONE HOUR? That is meant to show that the LAST BEAST only rules a short time unlike Babylon, Persia, Greece and Rome. If this LAST BEAST was still Rome and the The Papacy/Pope like some off kilter thinkers would have us believe would we be told here that this Beast will rule but a SHORT TIME and but for ONE HOUR ? (42 months) Of course not. This LAST BEAST is the 7th Head, or the ONE TO COME, a man who both ARISES & FALLS as a Beast unlike any of the others who had Kings called Beast Powers who AROSE is Dan 7:18 shows us, but who also had Kings who FELL as Rev. 17:10 (above) shows us.

ONLY the Anti-Christ out of all the Beast Powers both ARISES as the Beast over Israel and the Mediterranean Sea Region AND FALLS. The E.U. are the 10 (Completeness) which simply means the Roman Kingdom that fell apart will reunite (10) but they will be as Iron & Clay they will not mesh well, but at the very end the 10(E.U.) seeing this is a problem (too many chefs in the kitchen) will give all of their power over unto this ONE MAN. He probably solves the coming financial crises that the USA are creating. He will be helped out by the Gog and Magog war where Iran, Russia and Turkeys Armies will be wiped out by God. He will then wait on the Rev. 8 asteroid strike (God's Wrath falls) and Goes Forth Conquering (Rev. 6 which only happens after the Rev. 8 Asteroid, the Seals are Prophetic Utterances)

He's a MAN not a Demon. That is why the CROWNS in Rev. 13 are on the 10 Horns (Europe....go look). Because his life as a human can only cover so many years. Meanwhile The Beast of Rev. 12 is over ALL 7 Heads thus the CROWNS are on the 7 Heads, or Every Kingdom from Egypt to the Anti-Christ, because Satan is not a Human. Likewise the Scarlet Colored Beast in Rev. 7 is a Demon named Apollyon thus he was OF THE SEVEN but he is an 8th King. He has NO CROWNS because he s under Satan AND not a human.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

Sometimes it's better not to argue with others that seemed determined they are right.

Says the man who cant even get the Rapture correct.

 

[No Pre-TB]

Timtofly,

Don’t worry, just continue to study and you will continue to learn.

As for those who flatter themselves in these threads with slander and pompous words, I’d hate for them on that day they stand before Christ when every word out of their mouth and on these forums is held accountable.

Oh, Ronald. I do know where the rapture is. And I’m very familiar with your rudimentary mistakes ie. #287

But I’m not here to point out every flaw. I’m not perfect, so I have no right to do so. Those that seek knowledge, they will gain it. Those that think no one else can profit them are fools. You do a great disservice to the body of Christ when you speak to fellow believers the way you do showing no restraint but in all darkness giving into your own lusts and lashing out. And I’m sure you won’t hold back because in every thread I see you have a negative response to others with a condescending attitude void of love and grace. With all the years you report to have studied, you fail on the basics: love, patience, kindness, gentleness, meekness etc
It reminds me of a scripture, ever learning but never able to come to the truth.

Let us see if you can respond in love and kindness if you’ve learned anything all these years. Until then, I pray you continue to study as well as Timtofly. Love the brothern, give glory to God and praise his name to the lost.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

Oh, Ronald. I do know where the rapture is. And I’m very familiar with your rudimentary mistakes ie. #287

The Wedding Pattern
The Lord gave Israel seven feasts in Leviticus 23. The Lord refers to the feasts as appointed times (mowed – Strong’s H4150). Mowed means an appointed time, a specific time. Our Heavenly Father knows the End from the Beginning, and the seven specific appointed times of the seven feasts give us an outline of His overall plan and I believe that some appointed times have been, and all will be literally fulfilled.

Within the Word of God is the pattern of the Church as the Bride of Christ (hereafter noted as Church) being wed to Jesus, and it is preserved to this day in the practice of the traditional Jewish wedding (hereafter noted as Jewish Wedding). This is not to say that the Church has replaced Israel in the Lord’s plan; quite the opposite. Please see Romans 11:11-18, and 11:25-26.

There are two brides found in Scripture, and Rachel and Leah show us this. Please see Leah, the Bride, and Leah's Children.

When I first realized the connection between the feasts and the steps of the wedding, I was troubled by the Fall Feasts. Although "Trumpets" is a favorite feast for those of us listening for the trumpet of the Lord, I could not clearly in my mind make these feasts fit the Church. The Fall Feasts seem to point to the people Israel. Therefore, when I realized there were two different brides which would be dealt with in separate manners, the pieces seemed to fit together.

First, the Lord chose a people (Israel) that would be His bride, His wife. Several times in the Old Testament the Lord describes Israel as His wife. It all began when the Lord chose Abraham and promised him that his descendants would be a great and numerous people. But at Mount Sinai the chosen wife became spiritually adulterous and worshipped the Golden Calf. Time and again, through the prophets, the Lord called for Israel to return to Him.

Finally, the Lord told Israel,

"I am sought of [them that] asked not [for me]; I am found of [them that] sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation [that] was not called by my name.” - Isaiah 65:1
Praise His name, the Lord turned to the Gentiles. In the New Testament the Church, composed of Jews and Gentiles, is also described as the Bride of the Lord Jesus, the second bride of Scripture. The Bible shows us these two brides in the same manner and pattern as the Jewish wedding, and the Jewish wedding fits the themes of the seven appointed times given by the Lord.
The Lord gave the Children of Israel three Spring Feasts in Leviticus 23:4-14, Passover, Unleavened Bread and Firstfruits. Here is how they were fulfilled:

Passover - Jesus paid the price for our sins when He died on the Cross. Jesus was the Lamb of God. (John 1:29) Jesus was the Passover Lamb.

Firstfruits - The day we recognize as Resurrection Sunday is the Jewish Feast of Firstfruits. Jesus was the Firstfruits of the grave. (First Corinthians 15:20)

Unleavened Bread - According to Scripture, “Passover Week” is the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Leavening is figurative of sin; Jesus was “unleavened,” without sin. Jesus paid the price at the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

There is a thread of continuity that flows through the seven feasts, or appointed times, first given by the Lord. Here are the steps taken in completing the Jewish wedding and its application to the wedding of the Church to the Lord Jesus, followed by how this ties to the seven appointed feasts of Israel:

The steps of the traditional Jewish wedding:

1 – Selection of the Bride
Jewish Wedding - The Son chooses the Bride – the Father makes the arrangements
Church - John 15:16 – “You did not choose Me, but I chose you . . .”

2 – The Bride Price established
Jewish Wedding - The father of the bride must be reimbursed for the loss of his daughter.
Church - I Corinthians 6:20 - “For you were bought with a price.” The Bride price was paid when Jesus died on the Cross.

We who are saved by Jesus were sought by the Lord. (Isaiah 65:1) Jesus paid the price on Passover. The appointed times of Firstfruits and Unleavened Bread complete the picture of Jesus being resurrected and being sinless, the spotless Lamb of God.

The Spring Feasts have all been literally fulfilled.

Pentecost, or the Feast of Weeks, was the fourth appointed time given by the Lord in Leviticus 23:15-22.

Just as the Lord deals with the Church in a separate manner from His chosen, the Jews, I strongly suspect that Pentecost, which is separate from the Spring Feasts and the Fall Feasts, is specific to the Church.

Each year at Pentecost, Jewish synagogues read the entire Book of Ruth. The story of Ruth takes place at the wheat harvest, or Pentecost. This book is a picture of the Lord Jesus and His Gentile bride. Boaz, the Jew, was the kinsman-redeemer. Jesus is our Redeemer. Ruth was a Moabitess, a Gentile. The Church is the Gentile Bride. That very day, the Day of Pentecost, Boaz redeemed Ruth. The marriage is not mentioned, only the commitment, the betrothal, is recorded. The marriage of Boaz and Ruth is noted in conclusion, but not discussed.

Boaz gave Ruth six measures of barley. A measure of barley was a day’s wages. (Revelation 6:6). I think this is a picture of mankind being paid for six millennial days’ work. The Bride, or the Church, will not have to struggle after six millennial days or six thousand years. According to Biblical chronology, it has been about six thousand years.

The six measures of barley were also part of the traditional Jewish wedding Bride price. Boaz said, “Do not go to your mother-in-law empty-handed.”

“For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.” - First Corinthians 6:20
At the Feast of Pentecost the Bride of Christ was given the Gift of the Holy Spirit and through this Jesus committed to complete the betrothal of the Church when He comes again.
“in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.” - Ephesians 1:13-14

The steps of the traditional Jewish wedding:
3 – The Betrothal
Jewish Wedding - More than mere “engagement”, it was a permanent arrangement. Recall the story of Joseph and Mary.
Church – The attachment of the Church to the Lord is also permanent, and forever. “This is the bread which came down from heaven--not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.” (John 6:58) And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand. (John 10:28)

4 – The Marriage Contract
Jewish Wedding – A written agreement committing each party to the marriage.
Church - The New Covenant (Jeremiah 31:31-34) is our written agreement containing the promises of God. Jesus said, “If ye continue in my word, [then] are ye my disciples indeed;” (John 8:31)

5 – The Bride must consent
Jewish Wedding – This is not entirely an arranged marriage; the bride must agree.
Church – “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;” (Mark 16:16) “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” (Romans 10:9)

6 – The Bridal Gift and the Cup of the Covenant
Jewish Wedding – A glass of wine is taken upon the signing of the contract.
Church – Each time we gather around the Lord’s Table, we remember the “contract.” “And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave [it] to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament (covenant), which is shed for many for the remission of sins.” (Matthew 26:27-28)
Jewish Wedding – The Bride is given a gift by the groom.
Church - The Holy Spirit is given by Jesus –– “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.” (Acts 2:38) This, of course, occurred on the Day of Pentecost.

7 – The Ceremonial Purification of the Bride
Jewish Wedding - The next step for the Bride after she is betrothed is a ceremonial cleansing. In Biblical times the Bride would use a Mikvah, which was pool of water, in which she would immerse herself.
Church - Acts 2:41 – “Then those who gladly received his word were baptized (immersed); and that day about three thousand souls were added [to them].”

The Church is an insertion in the Lord's Plan. Israel was the original bride. I believe that the Lord Jesus will come for His bride, the Church, in a separate event (the Rapture) from the Lord's return for His bride, Israel. From this point forward in the Jewish Wedding process, following the purification of the bride, in my opinion the Church will be dealt with separately in the time defined as the Church Age, or the Age of Grace. This period of time will extend from the Day of Pentecost described in Acts chapter two, to the day when the Lord Jesus calls us Home.

8 – The Groom would prepare a room for the Bride in his father’s house
Church - John 14:3 – “I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself.”

The father of the groom determines when the room is ready. The groom does not determine the time of the wedding. “But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.” (Matthew 24:36)

 

[Ronald D Milam]

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9 – The Bride is consecrated and set apart
Church - First Peter 2:9 – “But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people.”

10 – The Groom returns with a shout, “Behold, the bridegroom comes!”
Church - First Thessalonians 4:16 – “For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.”

Let me insert an additional hope at this point. When the Lord Jesus comes for His Bride, the Church, we will not be totally surprised. Although the Jewish bride did not know the day or the hour, she was expectant. The Apostle Paul in speaking of “that Day” said, “But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day.” (First Thessalonians 5:4-5) Today, many in the Church are expectant and will not be totally surprised.

11 – The Bride and Groom go to the wedding chamber.
Church – This period when the Bride and Groom spend time together seems to show that the Bride of Jesus will be with Him in Heaven. This appears to indicate a pre-Tribulation gathering of the Church, and is described in Isaiah 26:20; “Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.” Praise the Lord!

12 – The Marriage Supper
Church – “‘Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.’ And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. Then he said to me, ‘Write: Blessed [are] those who are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!’” (The Revelation 19:7-9)

In my opinion, the Feast of Pentecost is still being fulfilled and will be completed when the Lord Jesus comes for His bride.

I believe that in the remaining steps of the Jewish Wedding process, the steps will be fulfilled for Israel in a separate manner.

The next appointed time is the Feast of Trumpets. The Feast of Trumpets is a mysterious time. Of all the feasts, or appointed times, little is said of it and no scriptural reason for the feast is given. (see Leviticus 23:23-25) A trumpet (the Shofar) is blown. Trumpets make announcements. I suspect that the Feast of Trumpets will be when the Lord in some manner announces the time has come for the fulfillment of His plan for Israel.


The steps of the traditional Jewish wedding:

8 – The Groom would prepare a room for the Bride in his father’s house
Jewish Wedding – In Biblical times the groom would add a room to his father’s house. At that time, families lived together.
The father of the groom determines when the room is ready. The groom does not determine the time of the wedding.

9 – The Bride is consecrated and set apart
Jewish Wedding – The Bride is spoken for and belongs to no one else. Again, refer to Mary and Joseph. (Matthew 1:18-19)
At this point in the process, the Bride is always in readiness. She does not know when the Groom will return for her. For example, see Matthew 25 – The Parable of the Ten Virgins.

10 – The Groom returns with a shout, “Behold, the bridegroom comes!”
Jewish Wedding – This was frequently done at midnight for surprise. Matthew 25:6 (the Parable of the Ten Virgins) – “And at midnight a cry (shout) was [heard]: ‘Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him!’”

Scripture tells us that a prophetic day can equal a year.

“After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, [even] forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities.” - Numbers 14:34The seven days the Jewish bride and groom spend in the wedding chamber appear to equate to seven prophetic years, which parallels the last seven years of Daniel’s prophecy, and is the basis for the concept of seven years of Tribulation.“Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.” - Daniel 9:27The Song of Moses, Deuteronomy 32:1-43, is a summary of the Lord’s dealings with Israel. From the summary given by Moses, and many other Scriptures, it appears that the Day of Atonement will be the Day when the Lord Jesus sets foot on the Mount of Olives and fights against all nations.


“Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. And his feet shall stand in that day upon the Mount of Olives, which [is] before Jerusalem on the east.” - Zechariah 14:1-4Daniel’s last seven days (Daniel 9:27) appear to parallel the seven years of the Tribulation, while the Bride of Christ is in Heaven consummating union to Jesus Messiah and celebrating with the marriage supper. The next appointed time is the Day of Atonement. This indicates that at the end of the Tribulation, the Lord Jesus will return to redeem and make Atonement for Israel.
The latter part of the Song of Moses is prophetic of the Last Days. The very last verse of the Song of Moses says:

“Rejoice, O ye nations, [with] his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, [and] to his people.”The Hebrew word translated as “merciful” is kaphar (Strong’s H3722), and is rendered “make atonement” in the vast majority of its appearances in the Old Testament. Therefore, this verse could say “He will provide atonement, for His land and His people.”
In the Revelation, the Return of Jesus as King of kings and Lord of lords immediately follows the Marriage supper of the Lamb.

“And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him [was] called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes [were] as a flame of fire, and on his head [were] many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies [which were] in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. ” – Revelation 19:11-14Note that the “armies [which were] in heaven” were clothed in fine linen, white and clean, just like the Bride was given in the preceding verse 19:8. This identifies the “armies” as the Bride of Christ, Saints and Children of God, who will return in victory with the Lord Jesus.
It appears that this day will be the fulfillment of the Day of Atonement.

The next, and last, appointed time is the Feast of Tabernacles which was an eight-day event. It occurred at the time of the fall harvest, and was to be a time of joy and celebration.


“Thou shalt observe the feast of tabernacles seven days, after that thou hast gathered in thy corn and thy wine: And thou shalt rejoice in thy feast, thou, and thy son, and thy daughter, and thy manservant, and thy maidservant, and the Levite, the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, that [are] within thy gates.” - Deuteronomy 16:13-14The word tabernacle can be a noun or a verb. With the Tabernacle in the wilderness the word is used as a noun, but it is also a verb describing where the Lord dwelled, or tabernacled, with Israel. In the Kingdom Age the Lord Jesus will dwell, or tabernacle, with mankind.
In the Deuteronomy instructions the Children of Israel are told to celebrate for seven days. In the instructions given in Leviticus 23:33-43 they are told to hold a sacred assembly on the eighth day. In the Bible, seven is the number of completion. Therefore, eight is the number of new beginnings. Noah and his family were eight persons, and represented a new beginning for mankind. A male child was to be circumcized on the eighth day, at the beginning of his life. King David, who laid the foundations for the beginning of the Kingdom of Israel, was the eighth son of Jesse. This eighth day of the Feast of Tabernacles indicates new beginnings.

The steps of the traditional Jewish wedding:

11 – The Bride and Groom go to the wedding chamber.
Jewish Wedding - The marriage was consummated in the wedding chamber. The Bride and Groom stayed in that wedding chamber for seven days.

12 – The Marriage Supper
Jewish Wedding – A wedding feast was given for the Bride and Groom.
After the traditional Jewish Wedding the Bride and Groom lived together. This fits the picture of the Lord living, or tabernacling, with His people in the Kingdom Age and forever!

The Children of Israel were also instructed to live in booths or tents during this feast. This was to be a memorial of the time when the Lord delivered Israel from Egypt. The Feast of Tabernacles is about the Lord living with mankind and will be fulfilled when the Lord tabernacles with Israel and mankind during the Millennial Kingdom. At that time there will be a New Beginning for the Kingdom of God and His two brides.

The prophetic parallels between the Jewish Wedding and the Church’s Biblical Wedding are simply amazing! What a wonderful picture and wonderful hope this pattern gives to those who are saved and are the Children of God. And only the God of Creation could place this pattern within and throughout the sixty-six books of His Word. Our Heavenly Father is the ultimate Wedding Planner! May His name be praised forever!

 

[No Pre-TB]

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9 – The Bride is consecrated and set apart
Church - First Peter 2:9 – “But ye [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people.”

10 – The Groom returns with a shout, “Behold, the bridegroom comes!”
Church - First Thessalonians 4:16 – “For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God.”

Let me insert an additional hope at this point. When the Lord Jesus comes for His Bride, the Church, we will not be totally surprised. Although the Jewish bride did not know the day or the hour, she was expectant. The Apostle Paul in speaking of “that Day” said, “But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day.” (First Thessalonians 5:4-5) Today, many in the Church are expectant and will not be totally surprised.

11 – The Bride and Groom go to the wedding chamber.
Church – This period when the Bride and Groom spend time together seems to show that the Bride of Jesus will be with Him in Heaven. This appears to indicate a pre-Tribulation gathering of the Church, and is described in Isaiah 26:20; “Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.” Praise the Lord!

12 – The Marriage Supper
Church – “‘Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.’ And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. Then he said to me, ‘Write: Blessed [are] those who are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!’” (The Revelation 19:7-9)

In my opinion, the Feast of Pentecost is still being fulfilled and will be completed when the Lord Jesus comes for His bride.

I believe that in the remaining steps of the Jewish Wedding process, the steps will be fulfilled for Israel in a separate manner.

The next appointed time is the Feast of Trumpets. The Feast of Trumpets is a mysterious time. Of all the feasts, or appointed times, little is said of it and no scriptural reason for the feast is given. (see Leviticus 23:23-25) A trumpet (the Shofar) is blown. Trumpets make announcements. I suspect that the Feast of Trumpets will be when the Lord in some manner announces the time has come for the fulfillment of His plan for Israel.


The steps of the traditional Jewish wedding:

8 – The Groom would prepare a room for the Bride in his father’s house
Jewish Wedding – In Biblical times the groom would add a room to his father’s house. At that time, families lived together.
The father of the groom determines when the room is ready. The groom does not determine the time of the wedding.

9 – The Bride is consecrated and set apart
Jewish Wedding – The Bride is spoken for and belongs to no one else. Again, refer to Mary and Joseph. (Matthew 1:18-19)
At this point in the process, the Bride is always in readiness. She does not know when the Groom will return for her. For example, see Matthew 25 – The Parable of the Ten Virgins.

10 – The Groom returns with a shout, “Behold, the bridegroom comes!”
Jewish Wedding – This was frequently done at midnight for surprise. Matthew 25:6 (the Parable of the Ten Virgins) – “And at midnight a cry (shout) was [heard]: ‘Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him!’”

Scripture tells us that a prophetic day can equal a year.

“After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, [even] forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities.” - Numbers 14:34The seven days the Jewish bride and groom spend in the wedding chamber appear to equate to seven prophetic years, which parallels the last seven years of Daniel’s prophecy, and is the basis for the concept of seven years of Tribulation.“Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.” - Daniel 9:27The Song of Moses, Deuteronomy 32:1-43, is a summary of the Lord’s dealings with Israel. From the summary given by Moses, and many other Scriptures, it appears that the Day of Atonement will be the Day when the Lord Jesus sets foot on the Mount of Olives and fights against all nations.

Ronald,

There is so much information to go over here. Really, it could be multiple threads with various topics and I struggle to think of a way to simplify a proper response that doesn’t become a wall of text.

Is the bride of Christ the Church universal? Yes
Is the bride also New Jerusalem? Yes

Are the feasts valid for believers to understand? I think so. I believe they do offer insight in understanding between first fruits, Passover etc.

Do I believe that the wedding is to match Jewish customs of a wedding? I do not. That doesn’t mean they don’t or that they have no historical value. But I ere on the side of caution when looking into man’s doctrines. I don’t know if Jewish wedding customs were necessarily to be followed that way. Of course our Lord does explain a wedding feast, but does he explain his own wedding? The bride’s righteousness is explained. The timing is explained. But anything not specific by the apostles or Christ I remain cautious that I don’t self introduce things that may alter understanding. I do this with many subjects because that how we can “depart from truth”. Again, I’m not saying you or anyone who believes that is. I just ere on caution and am familiar with this understanding, but I don’t take it to heart as being 100% what scripture is telling me.

On some of your points:
1. The groom does come with a shout
2. The bride is consecrated
3. The bride and groom go to a wedding chamber - I’m not aware of any scripture actually saying such or relating it as a marriage to any place for a specific time. There is a feast of tabernacles. There is also being gathered into his barn (wheat vs tares).
The Jews were in their homes with the blood of goats on the doorpost during the death angel in Egypt. Noah was in the Ark. All were preserved supernaturally on Earth. The idea to hide until the wrath passes pose’s a question, why hide if according to Pre-TB we are already immortal at that time? Wrath couldn’t hurt us if immortal and we are with Christ as he protects us right? Being changed to hide us doesn’t fit what happened to all other OT examples nor is it logical. The 144k do not hide and they’re protected as an example. That demonstrates it’s possible for a redeemed (The 144k are redeemed) to be protected during the Trumpets.

The text also mentioned 2 brides-

If the Church is Christ bride and we go to heaven to be with God (the Jews husband?), and Christ is on earth with the Jews (the Church’s husband) how does that make sense?

John 10:16
There is 1 fold of sheep from 2 groups. And there is one shepherd over that 1 fold. Also Ezekiel 37:22
John 11:52
He died to gather the children of God and Israel under 1. Those scattered were the nations that he died for to bring them to know God. And those that do the will of God are the children of God by faith.

No one can no the father without the son. How can a Physical Jew be married to the father if:
1. There is no difference between Jew and Greek
2. All must know the son to know the father
3. Christ takes all under 1 fold
4. We are grafted into Israel
5. I could post more but you get the idea

I realize some hold to dispensationalism. I was raised in it but do not believe it to be accurate. I don’t want to start multiple questions and threads on it. I will just say, God works with us and others at the same time: He worked with the church and still punished the Jews in 70 ad. He worked with the church and brought the physical nation of Israel back in 1948. He continues to work with the church and even the wicked as he sets up kings, thrones and those in power for his strange work.

Trumpets:
You also mentioned what the trumpets could be. One reason, I’m sure your aware of, was a call to war. Another was to pronounce a new king. The latter is significant because in Joshua, the last trumpet signified their destruction and passing of Jericho, a city that was cursed to anyone that rebuilds it for its idols and that they were entering the promised land. They trusted in God to lead them. There are parallels even for the man who stole the accursed thing in his tent. There are parallels with Rahab and her family that were not Jewish and were saved. Parallels with the red string on her window. Parallels with the earthquake that proceeded the fall of Jericho etc.

Over view:
I think it’s reasonable to have a discussion on the topic. There is a lot of information which is a good thing but we must act reasonably to determine what, if at all, is coming from God and what, if at all, is coming from man. Thing’s always sound good, but that doesn’t make them true. This is a big deceit in the church universal that Paul warns us of. We must carefully search out all truth. And we must carefully check it line by line, here a little there a little.

Ronald, I appreciate your reply and patience as I write this. My intention was not to be overly critical but honest. It’s difficult to look at so wide a subject and break it down. I suppose I could have went into depth and put out more scriptural references but I didn’t want this to be something someone see’s and passes through because of the word count