BoL, you definition of "lie" seems to be "have any view on _____ other than the one BoL does".
Is there salvation outside the Catholic Church?
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Grailhunter
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I understand you have been here a while but you have not learnt much. If your parents did not teach you any manners we can review.
The fact that she is a female does matter. Besides the lack of manners I see the spirit of Christianity does not reside you so why bother. So why would anyone seek answers from you....If that is the best you can do you might want to hang up your bread......and that is not a lie!
And speaking of lies....what are you talking about 2000 year old doctrines?
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Your BS meter is way, way too sensitive, BOL. Many of the people you have targeted are not truly anti-catholic. In fact even the SDAs here seem to be too indoctrinated in Whites writing to be considered anti-catholic - who knows what they really think?
Professional anti-Catholics like James White (who visits here sometimes under another name) should be the measure - not people who have read bad information and are just repeating it. If people are simply afraid of Catholicism because they were told to be afraid of it - they are not anti-Catholic.
I am very sensitive to this because I was once a person who repeated dumb tropes about Catholicism - believing I was really knowledgeable about the doctrine, before an educated Catholic sat down with me face to face and explained everything to me. If she had started by calling me a liar and attacking me for my mistakes, I would have told her off and never looked into the doctrine.
Finally, I hate to say this but Catholics can really look like jerks about their doctrine - and I am being nice. Arrogant, indignant, and inclined to tell people off before dismissing them, rather than stick around and explain the reason for their faith. I know first hand, I have never been dismissed by a Protestant (in real life - I have been dismissed many times online by many types of people), but I can’t say the same about Catholics. I think it has happened at least 10 to 12 times and I have only been Catholic for 18 years. I was even dismissed by a Benedictine monk at my own monastery!
So here is an idea - how about we both agree not to be that rude arrogant Catholic, who knows better than everyone else and can’t wait to set them straight? How about we agree to explain a teaching once per person and then leave it? I will agree to do this as well - I will also work on reigning in my own desire to be right about Catholicism and Christianity. Deal?
Professional anti-Catholics like James White (who visits here sometimes under another name) should be the measure - not people who have read bad information and are just repeating it. If people are simply afraid of Catholicism because they were told to be afraid of it - they are not anti-Catholic.
I am very sensitive to this because I was once a person who repeated dumb tropes about Catholicism - believing I was really knowledgeable about the doctrine, before an educated Catholic sat down with me face to face and explained everything to me. If she had started by calling me a liar and attacking me for my mistakes, I would have told her off and never looked into the doctrine.
Finally, I hate to say this but Catholics can really look like jerks about their doctrine - and I am being nice. Arrogant, indignant, and inclined to tell people off before dismissing them, rather than stick around and explain the reason for their faith. I know first hand, I have never been dismissed by a Protestant (in real life - I have been dismissed many times online by many types of people), but I can’t say the same about Catholics. I think it has happened at least 10 to 12 times and I have only been Catholic for 18 years. I was even dismissed by a Benedictine monk at my own monastery!
So here is an idea - how about we both agree not to be that rude arrogant Catholic, who knows better than everyone else and can’t wait to set them straight? How about we agree to explain a teaching once per person and then leave it? I will agree to do this as well - I will also work on reigning in my own desire to be right about Catholicism and Christianity. Deal?
You have mastered your own words in your own quote...
and must say you have really outdone yourself on this thread displaying your passion for anger, accusations and namecalling...
I'm ready right now BoL.
I'm really busy and am not here as often as it would seem by my avatar being listed....
BUT
I'll stop all other posting and we could discuss only this.
I'll stop the moment you call me a liar.
A person is NOT A LIAR because they disagree with you.
No homework will be necessary on my part.
Let's start with this:
The difference between
DOGMA
DOCTRINE
DICSIPLINE
The Three D's
One of the casualties of the Modernist revolution has been Catholic education in this country and throughout the world. As we know this is a part of the strategy the Modernists have used to further their agenda of creating a church within the Church. One of the aspects of the ignorance of most Roman Catholics today is their inability to distinguish between 3 essential elements of the Faith. These 3 elements are discipline, doctrine and dogma. They are related to each other but separate in terms of importance and effect within the structure of the Church. In regards to the importance of distinguishing between these 3 elements it was never more evident than in the recent visit of Pope John Paul II to the Eastern United States. As they are fond of doing, the various news service agencies began to take polls of what Catholics think in this country about such issues as, Artificial Birth Control, Women Priests, Married Priests, Abortion and Euthanasia to name a few. It is notable that they always take these polls around the time the Pope is visiting and they tend to be based on a merely democratic view of reality. Nevertheless, no matter how skewed and inaccurate these polls may be where there is smoke there is fire and they do indicate a deplorable amount of ignorance among the "Catholic" population of America about what they can and cannot believe as a Roman Catholic and still remain one.
Knowledge about the 3 D's is essential to understanding what can change and what is unchangeable, what we must believe and what we do not necessarily have to believe in order to remain Roman Catholic. We will begin with Dogma.
Dogma
Dogma: "The deposit of faith" (1 Tim. 6:20; 2 Tim. 1:14) is made up of the entire revelation of Jesus Christ to the Church both in Doctrine and Morals.
A dogma is a truth revealed by God, and as such is proposed by the Magisterium of the Church as necessary for belief. A person remains a Catholic in good standing only if he accepts in its entirety the full revelation of the Faith in its integrity. Dogmas because they are divinely revealed cannot change.
Dogmas are essential to the Faith. They cannot change. If any one dogma is denied by an individual or group of individuals the truth is not diminished by their denial, however, they remove themselves from the Body of Christ, the Church. The deliberate denial of a dogma of the Faith is called heresy. Heretics are the branches Jesus speaks of when he says:
"I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing. If a man does not abide in me, he is cast forth as a branch and withers; and the branches are gathered, thrown into the fire and burned." (John 15:5-6)
Dogmas are those truths revealed by Christ which have been explicitly defined by the Church through her teaching authority called the Magisterium. It is very important to remember that because these truths are essential to the Faith and have been revealed by Christ Himself they precede any Church clarification. Dogmatic pronouncements by the Church are simply clarifications of those revealed truths which have in some way been denied or challenged to the point that the Church must step forward to protect the deposit of faith from error and dilution. For instance, the dogma of Christ's Divinity, called the Hypostatic Union, was not defined by a General Ecumenical Council of the Church until the 4th Century. Nonetheless, it was always necessary for a Christian, in order to remain Christian, to believe that Jesus was not merely the Christ but was, in fact, God Himself who became a man for man's salvation. The meaning of each dogmatic truth remains the same throughout the ages and cannot change. The Modernists claim that dogmas "evolve" and actually change their meaning as man himself evolves and understands these truths in a completely different way. The Modernist does not believe in the fact that truth is absolute and immutable, for him all truth is relative and fluctuating with circumstances. The Catholic Church on the other hand recognizes the eternal immutability of the truth because it comes from God who is infinitely perfect and who does not change.
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Doctrine
Doctrine: is the compilation of all the teaches of the Catholic Church. That includes those teachings which are necessary as well as those which are not essential to the complete integrity of the Faith. Also included in this category of revelation is the concept that there are dogmas which have yet to be defined, i.e., clarified, officially by the Church.
Doctrine differs from dogma in that it can be disputed and speculated upon until such time that it is officially defined by the Magisterium of the Church. For instance, the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception (When Mary was conceived without the stain of original sin in the womb of her mother Saint Ann) was speculated about and discussed for many centuries before Pope Pius IX explicitly defined it as a dogma for belief by all the faithful. St. Thomas Aquinas had, in fact, argued both for and against the possibility of the Immaculate Conception in his own writings. It was not until the Franciscan scholar Dun Scotus proposed the solution that the Blessed Virgin Mary was saved from sin by Jesus her Son in anticipation of His death on the Cross because it was an eternal act of redemption. Therefore, before Pope Pius IX defined the dogma of the Immaculate Conception any Catholic could have chosen not to believe it if they so desired. Belief was not necessary to one's integrity of the Faith until the Vicar of Christ clarified that it was.
Some doctrines are non-essential to the Faith but are nonetheless, important to it cohesion as a unified whole. These doctrines can be see as the threads that hold the whole fabric of the Faith together. They are not as developed and are more interesting to the theologian who's trying to understand the deeper significance a particular dogma must play within the realm of salvation history and personal salvation.
Some doctrines are essential not to the Faith but rather to the Moral Law of Christ. These moral precepts of Christ and the precepts of the Natural Law are subject to direct interpretation and clarification by the Teaching Authority of the Church. Things such as, the Churchís prohibition against artificial birth control, abortion, divorce and remarriage, premarital sex, drug and alcohol abuse, etc. all come under this category. In most cases these things have been defined within the Ordinary Magisterium of the Church and must be recognized and given intellectual ascent.
Discipline
Discipline: Any rule, regulation, law and direction set down by the authority of the Church for guiding the faithful toward the perfection of the Gospel in their own lives and the life of the Church as a whole.
The discipline of the Church is the one area that has most effective power over the faithful. This is the place where we feel it the most because this area is subject to change and is the most visible reflection of our every day faith. Examples of disciplinary customs and regulations would be; abstaining from meat on Friday, married clergy, communion in the hand, altar-girls, saying the Mass in Latin or the vernacular, the obligation to go to Mass on designated Holy Days, etc. These things can change due to circumstances within a particular diocese or throughout the entire Church. In matters of discipline the Church is not infallible. The duty of the Magisterium in these matters is to create the most conducive atmosphere toward our salvation. The Church has the right and necessary obligation to place whatever strictures and sanctions it sees fit in order to coerce those who do not have the strength on their own to do those actions which are ultimately to their own benefit. For instance, before the modernist revolution there was a strict prohibition not to eat meat (from any air-breathing animal) on all Fridays of the year with special exceptions made if a holiday fell on a Friday. The sanction was strict; "on pain of mortal sin" and the only exception made was if the person ate meat without realizing it was Friday. When the revolution swept the Church it threw away this wonderful practice saying, as all liberals do, that we had matured as a People and we didn't need to be directed toward sacrifice even for our own good. In the new Code of Canon Law the following laws are promulgated regarding this traditional prohibition. Read these canons carefully and then see whether or not the law has really changed.
Days of Penance
Can.1249--All members of the Christian faithful in their own way are bound to do penance in virtue of divine law; in order that all may be joined in a common observance of penance, penitential days are prescribed in which the Christian faithful in a special way pray, exercise works of piety and charity, and deny themselves by fulfilling their responsibilities more faithfully and especially by observing fast and abstinence according to the norm of the following canons.
Can.1250--All Fridays through the year and the time of Lent are penitential days and times throughout the universal Church.
Can.1251--Abstinence from eating meat or another food according to the prescriptions of the conference of bishops is to be observed on Fridays throughout the year unless they are solemnities; abstinence and fast are to be observed on Ash Wednesday and on the Friday of the Passion and Death of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
Can.1252--All persons who have completed their fourteenth year are bound by the law of abstinence; all adults are bound by the law of fast up to the beginning of their sixtieth year. Nevertheless, pastors and parents are to see to it that minors who are not bound by the law of fast and abstinence are educated in an authentic sense of penance.
Can.1253--It is for the conference of bishops to determine more precisely the observance of fast and abstinence and to substitute in whole or in part for fast and abstinence other forms of penance, especially works of charity and exercises of piety.
The new Code of Canon Law has the full body of laws, rules and regulations based on the Faith. Every organization must have laws and regulations in order to bring it to its ultimate goal. The ultimate goal of the Church is the salvation of souls these laws are supposed to be designed to take us in that direction. However, we must have leadership. How many of you knew that we are all obligated to abstain from eating meat on Fridays throughout the year? Just because there is no longer a sanction of mortal sin does not mean we are not seriously obligated to practice penance. It is typical of today's poor leadership that we the faithful remain ignorant of those things instituted by the Church in order to lead us on the tried and true path toward salvation. Nevertheless, just because our leaders fail to inform the faithful it does not let us off the hook. We remain accountable, as individuals, to discover our obligations and to act upon them.
Conclusion
By understanding the differences between dogma, doctrine and discipline we have the ability to inform our family and friends, as well as anyone with whom the subject arises, about their confusion over what is necessary and what is not. I have met innumerable people who are well educated in many areas but have no idea about the essential differences between dogma, doctrine and discipline. I donít know how many times I have been in a discussion with someone who confused dogma with discipline not knowing that discipline can change and having their faith shaken when it does. Iím sure youíve heard the same thing.
"When I was growing up it was a mortal sin to eat meat on Friday now itís okay to eat meat on Friday. Thatís a perfect example of how the Church always changes its doctrines." If you should ever hear someone say this or have similar objections just hand them a copy of this article.
source: The Three Ds
Doctrine
Doctrine: is the compilation of all the teaches of the Catholic Church. That includes those teachings which are necessary as well as those which are not essential to the complete integrity of the Faith. Also included in this category of revelation is the concept that there are dogmas which have yet to be defined, i.e., clarified, officially by the Church.
Doctrine differs from dogma in that it can be disputed and speculated upon until such time that it is officially defined by the Magisterium of the Church. For instance, the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception (When Mary was conceived without the stain of original sin in the womb of her mother Saint Ann) was speculated about and discussed for many centuries before Pope Pius IX explicitly defined it as a dogma for belief by all the faithful. St. Thomas Aquinas had, in fact, argued both for and against the possibility of the Immaculate Conception in his own writings. It was not until the Franciscan scholar Dun Scotus proposed the solution that the Blessed Virgin Mary was saved from sin by Jesus her Son in anticipation of His death on the Cross because it was an eternal act of redemption. Therefore, before Pope Pius IX defined the dogma of the Immaculate Conception any Catholic could have chosen not to believe it if they so desired. Belief was not necessary to one's integrity of the Faith until the Vicar of Christ clarified that it was.
Some doctrines are non-essential to the Faith but are nonetheless, important to it cohesion as a unified whole. These doctrines can be see as the threads that hold the whole fabric of the Faith together. They are not as developed and are more interesting to the theologian who's trying to understand the deeper significance a particular dogma must play within the realm of salvation history and personal salvation.
Some doctrines are essential not to the Faith but rather to the Moral Law of Christ. These moral precepts of Christ and the precepts of the Natural Law are subject to direct interpretation and clarification by the Teaching Authority of the Church. Things such as, the Churchís prohibition against artificial birth control, abortion, divorce and remarriage, premarital sex, drug and alcohol abuse, etc. all come under this category. In most cases these things have been defined within the Ordinary Magisterium of the Church and must be recognized and given intellectual ascent.
Discipline
Discipline: Any rule, regulation, law and direction set down by the authority of the Church for guiding the faithful toward the perfection of the Gospel in their own lives and the life of the Church as a whole.
The discipline of the Church is the one area that has most effective power over the faithful. This is the place where we feel it the most because this area is subject to change and is the most visible reflection of our every day faith. Examples of disciplinary customs and regulations would be; abstaining from meat on Friday, married clergy, communion in the hand, altar-girls, saying the Mass in Latin or the vernacular, the obligation to go to Mass on designated Holy Days, etc. These things can change due to circumstances within a particular diocese or throughout the entire Church. In matters of discipline the Church is not infallible. The duty of the Magisterium in these matters is to create the most conducive atmosphere toward our salvation. The Church has the right and necessary obligation to place whatever strictures and sanctions it sees fit in order to coerce those who do not have the strength on their own to do those actions which are ultimately to their own benefit. For instance, before the modernist revolution there was a strict prohibition not to eat meat (from any air-breathing animal) on all Fridays of the year with special exceptions made if a holiday fell on a Friday. The sanction was strict; "on pain of mortal sin" and the only exception made was if the person ate meat without realizing it was Friday. When the revolution swept the Church it threw away this wonderful practice saying, as all liberals do, that we had matured as a People and we didn't need to be directed toward sacrifice even for our own good. In the new Code of Canon Law the following laws are promulgated regarding this traditional prohibition. Read these canons carefully and then see whether or not the law has really changed.
Days of Penance
Can.1249--All members of the Christian faithful in their own way are bound to do penance in virtue of divine law; in order that all may be joined in a common observance of penance, penitential days are prescribed in which the Christian faithful in a special way pray, exercise works of piety and charity, and deny themselves by fulfilling their responsibilities more faithfully and especially by observing fast and abstinence according to the norm of the following canons.
Can.1250--All Fridays through the year and the time of Lent are penitential days and times throughout the universal Church.
Can.1251--Abstinence from eating meat or another food according to the prescriptions of the conference of bishops is to be observed on Fridays throughout the year unless they are solemnities; abstinence and fast are to be observed on Ash Wednesday and on the Friday of the Passion and Death of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
Can.1252--All persons who have completed their fourteenth year are bound by the law of abstinence; all adults are bound by the law of fast up to the beginning of their sixtieth year. Nevertheless, pastors and parents are to see to it that minors who are not bound by the law of fast and abstinence are educated in an authentic sense of penance.
Can.1253--It is for the conference of bishops to determine more precisely the observance of fast and abstinence and to substitute in whole or in part for fast and abstinence other forms of penance, especially works of charity and exercises of piety.
The new Code of Canon Law has the full body of laws, rules and regulations based on the Faith. Every organization must have laws and regulations in order to bring it to its ultimate goal. The ultimate goal of the Church is the salvation of souls these laws are supposed to be designed to take us in that direction. However, we must have leadership. How many of you knew that we are all obligated to abstain from eating meat on Fridays throughout the year? Just because there is no longer a sanction of mortal sin does not mean we are not seriously obligated to practice penance. It is typical of today's poor leadership that we the faithful remain ignorant of those things instituted by the Church in order to lead us on the tried and true path toward salvation. Nevertheless, just because our leaders fail to inform the faithful it does not let us off the hook. We remain accountable, as individuals, to discover our obligations and to act upon them.
Conclusion
By understanding the differences between dogma, doctrine and discipline we have the ability to inform our family and friends, as well as anyone with whom the subject arises, about their confusion over what is necessary and what is not. I have met innumerable people who are well educated in many areas but have no idea about the essential differences between dogma, doctrine and discipline. I donít know how many times I have been in a discussion with someone who confused dogma with discipline not knowing that discipline can change and having their faith shaken when it does. Iím sure youíve heard the same thing.
"When I was growing up it was a mortal sin to eat meat on Friday now itís okay to eat meat on Friday. Thatís a perfect example of how the Church always changes its doctrines." If you should ever hear someone say this or have similar objections just hand them a copy of this article.
source: The Three Ds
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Am leaving the house now.
Will be back to finish up.
Could you find something written that states that
REMARRIEDS NOT BEING ABLE TO RECEIVE COMMUNION
is a discipline?
Thanks.
Am leaving the house now.
Will be back to finish up.
Could you find something written that states that
REMARRIEDS NOT BEING ABLE TO RECEIVE COMMUNION
is a discipline?
Thanks.
illini1959
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The gospel in a nutshell is John 3:16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.
Romans 10:9-10 is an easy way of showing the way - Because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved.
The op questioned whether there is salvation "outside the catholic church" so my original reply was that "catholic" just means universal. The op means the roman catholic church and there's a difference.
Once someone has received Christ, growth should begin and continue throughout one's life.
Colossians 1:9-10 And so, from the day we heard, we have not ceased to pray for you, asking that you may be filled with the knowledge of his will in all spiritual wisdom and understanding, so as to walk in a manner worthy of the Lord, fully pleasing to him, bearing fruit in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God.
We should test everything we hear against scripture to be sure we're not falling for a false gospel, as the Bereans did in Acts 17:11....
examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so.
Coming to Christ just requires faith, which is from God who draws all people to Him; after that the Holy Spirit helps us understand spiritual things.
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God
John 6:4 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.
John 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
Does that help? Let me know
Grailhunter
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I have read thru this and I really like this. Thank you GodsGrace for taking the time to put this together. I stand with you...God Bless.
"Universal" is no longer applicable. *Catholic* has long lost that original meaning. And even there, it does not take into account the fact that in every local church there will be both wheat and tares.
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That’s absolutely false.
I actually PROVE when somebody is lying by presenting evidence.
I never consider a difference of opinion a “lie” – so your accusation is nonsense.
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WRONG.
There is NO male or female in Christ (Gal. 3:28). If somebody is lying – they need to be held accountable and their gender has NO bearing on it.
As for 2000-year-old doctrines – how about the sacrificial death of Christ??
The Incarnation?
The Virgin Birth?
The Resurrection?
The Ascension?
Creation?
Is there a problem?
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And the bottom line is that when you repeat lies – YOU are guilty of them.
That’s why I am constantly admonishing YOU and others here to do your homework - before posting.
When you go around regurgitating nonsense because you were too lazy to find out whether it was true or not – then you’re just as dishonest and as guilty as the one who concocted the lie in the first place.
As for your “deal” – I have BEGGED most of the anti-Catholics to make a “deal” that we atart from scratch in order to have a more fruitful discussion.
In EVERY case – I had anti-Catholic slurs hurled at me or I was flatly refused.
HOWEVER – if YOU want to have a fruitful discussion – I would be MORE than willing to do so – IF you are simply charitable in your questions. I ONLY attack when the Church is attacked.
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According to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Paragraph 1650 (see 1665):
“The remarriage of persons divorced from a living, lawful spouse contravenes the plan and law of God as taught by Christ. They are not separated from the Church, but they cannot receive Eucharistic communion. They will lead Christian lives especially by educating their children in the faith.”
Withholding communion from ANYBODY is a discipline – not a doctrinal issue . . .
“Pope John Paul II upheld the doctrine of the indissolubility of marriage (no divorce and remarriage) as well as the discipline of withholding Holy communion and the other sacraments from Catholics who did divorce and remarry (and invalidly married – in other words, married after a divorce, rather than an annulment).”
John Paul II For Dummies
Buddy, we did our homework and actually quoted from the CCC. Now it is your turn to admit that the RCC went off the rails a long time ago and the CCC is full of FALSE DOCTRINES. Were the apostle Peter to return to earth, he would insist that the Vatican be torn down.
Well, BoL
I think you missed my post no. 129.
In that post I had already taken you up on your offer to discuss
remarrieds receiving communion and how that changes the doctrine of the Catholic Church.
You claim this is a Discipline and not a doctrine.
Here is my comment from post 129:
Could you find something written that states that
REMARRIEDS NOT BEING ABLE TO RECEIVE COMMUNION
is a discipline?
You have posted from the Catechism of the Catholic Church
Paragraph 1650.
I thank you for posting this because, as we shall see, it is to MY advantage.
Paragraph 1650:
1650 Today there are numerous Catholics in many countries who have recourse to civil divorce and contract new civil unions. In fidelity to the words of Jesus Christ - "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another, commits adultery against her; and if she divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery" the Church maintains that a new union cannot be recognized as valid, if the first marriage was. If the divorced are remarried civilly, they find themselves in a situation that objectively contravenes God's law. Consequently, they cannot receive Eucharistic communion as long as this situation persists. For the same reason, they cannot exercise certain ecclesial responsibilities. Reconciliation through the sacrament of Penance can be granted only to those who have repented for having violated the sign of the covenant and of fidelity to Christ, and who are committed to living in complete continence.
Now, as you, and anyone reading along can see,
A person that is DIVORCED AND REMARRIED is not allowed to receive the Holy Eucharist.
Perhaps, for the sake of those not well-versed in this doctrine...I can explain WHY,,,since YOU haven't.
In the Catholic Church...a marriage is forever. Divorce is allowed under very strict guidlines....the physical abuse of a spouse or child...the husband or wife spends money that belongs to the family thus throwing them into poverity (gambling) and, actually, this is all that comes to mind right now.
A marriage may also be declared ANNULLED. This is also in rare cases, some examples are:
One of the spouses married under false pretense and does not desire children.
One of the spouses married under mental strain or force, under pain of danger.
If, OTOH, two are divorced they can ONLY receive communion if they remain celebate, which of course means not remarrying.
IF one of the parties remarries,,,that party is COMMITTING ADULTERY.
ADULTERY in the catholic church is MORTAL SIN.
A person that remarries IS LIVING IN CONSTANT MORTAL SIN AND THIS CANNOT BE FORGIVEN EVEN IF CONFESSED.
Before proceeding any further----and much further WE WILL GO...
PLEASE confirm that all of the above is to your understanding.
I mean TO YOUR UNDERSTANDING....
I know FOR SURE that I am 100% correct and will continue to be correct in this discussion.
Grailhunter
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lol I understand the Catholics claiming Christ as the first Pope and all.... That was done before the terms Catholic or Christian came to be... So a little soft on truth. Anyone that moved against a female in Christ's presence He was quick to respond....so....
So lets start from the beginning, Manners 101.... take notes....there will be test.....
Basic Table Manners to Teach Your Kids
1. Come to the table properly dressed and groomed.
2. Come to the table with her hands and face clean.
3. Do not start filling your plates until the person that cooked the meal is sitting with
you.
4. Politely pass the food around to fill the plates.
5. Say Grace, either by selection or by the senior member of the family.
6. Never, chew with your mouth open.
7. Never stuff your mouth.
8. Do not talk with your mouth full.
9. Do not interrupt when someone else is talking.
10. Never reach across a person or their plate.
11. Never put your elbows up on the table.
12. Turn your head and cover your mouth if you cough or sneeze.
13. Do not blow your nose at the table.
14. Keep conversations cordial and pleasant.
15. Pace your eating so that you finish with the others at the table.
16. When you are finished remain at the table until all have finished.
17. Always push your chair in when finished.
18. Offer to help clean up.
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