(IbnFarasat;23660)
If different translations within the bible was the case then why do some bibles have more chapters then others? some have 63 chapters, while some have 78 chapters and some dont even believe in the trinity to begin with. There is no fixed belief as some christians claim jesus is the son of god, or jesus IS god, or that he is part of 3 god heads which apparently make one god. I don't even understand the trinity.Yes qur'an is not changed and nor did I claim any weak translation and the 12 Imams are not mentioned in the Qur'an so they have nothing to do with islam because the major part of the Islamic belief is in the qur'an.Muhammad never followed the teachings of the torah because he always followed the teachings of Qur'an, what made you say that? If you are referring to the capital punishments which are mentioned in the torah then the torah was the word of god but over time it was changed by men which is the same case with the bible, hence loads of different versions i.e. old testament and new testament.Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from God," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.[Surah Al-Baqarah 2:79]The word of Allah is the same as to all the prophets, i.e. worship none but Him but if you transgress then god has prescribed punishments, which if undergo in this world, will spare the punishments in the day of ressurection.Throwing the Qur'an/bible in the ocean was an example because the qur'an is preserved by god, so even if someone tried to change it then it will be picked up immediately.
My words against yours brother !You are excluding the 12 imams like a piece of cake, probably you are a sunni. But ask a Shia and it's a different story all together. Are you saying Shias are not muslims?You say some christians don't believe in trinity. To be a christian one has to believe in Trinity, those who don't are NOT considered christians no matter what they claim themselves to be. It's the same like Mirzai / Mehdi in Islam. Mirzai's say they are muslims and for them it dose not matter what you or other muslims say.It's about denominations with which comes variations. While you were gone to take a walk on the moon, scrolls of the original scriputers of bible were discovered on our planet and are well preserved. There is no room for error anymore. I suggest you read other important threads on this forum. Which will show you enough evidence that muhammed did not obey the quran himself. Stoning to death was not prescribed in quran but in torah but muhammed ordered stoning on serveral occassions, which are clearly recorded in hadiths !
If different translations within the bible was the case then why do some bibles have more chapters then others? some have 63 chapters, while some have 78 chapters and some dont even believe in the trinity to begin with. There is no fixed belief as some christians claim jesus is the son of god, or jesus IS god, or that he is part of 3 god heads which apparently make one god. I don't even understand the trinity.Yes qur'an is not changed and nor did I claim any weak translation and the 12 Imams are not mentioned in the Qur'an so they have nothing to do with islam because the major part of the Islamic belief is in the qur'an.Muhammad never followed the teachings of the torah because he always followed the teachings of Qur'an, what made you say that? If you are referring to the capital punishments which are mentioned in the torah then the torah was the word of god but over time it was changed by men which is the same case with the bible, hence loads of different versions i.e. old testament and new testament.Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from God," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.[Surah Al-Baqarah 2:79]The word of Allah is the same as to all the prophets, i.e. worship none but Him but if you transgress then god has prescribed punishments, which if undergo in this world, will spare the punishments in the day of ressurection.Throwing the Qur'an/bible in the ocean was an example because the qur'an is preserved by god, so even if someone tried to change it then it will be picked up immediately.
My words against yours brother !You are excluding the 12 imams like a piece of cake, probably you are a sunni. But ask a Shia and it's a different story all together. Are you saying Shias are not muslims?You say some christians don't believe in trinity. To be a christian one has to believe in Trinity, those who don't are NOT considered christians no matter what they claim themselves to be. It's the same like Mirzai / Mehdi in Islam. Mirzai's say they are muslims and for them it dose not matter what you or other muslims say.It's about denominations with which comes variations. While you were gone to take a walk on the moon, scrolls of the original scriputers of bible were discovered on our planet and are well preserved. There is no room for error anymore. I suggest you read other important threads on this forum. Which will show you enough evidence that muhammed did not obey the quran himself. Stoning to death was not prescribed in quran but in torah but muhammed ordered stoning on serveral occassions, which are clearly recorded in hadiths !