Since when was this Changed? I can prove it from all over the World with Islamic Attacks including one in California where a couple was attacked by Muslims' date=' the Husband was Murdered, and the Wife was beaten and raped and left for dead.Rick;23312]Qur said:No rape is not allow.
Rick;23312 said:Illegal sexual relations is not promoted within the Islamic Religion is it not' date=' Hmmm What is this, In the verses known as Sura (56:17) , and Sura (52:24)) covers the area of having sex with young boys referred to in the Qur'an as "perpetual youth" otherwise known as "boys". You will clearly see where they describe where martyrs for the cause of Allah enjoy an orgy of virgins and "perpetual youth".[/QUOTE']IbnFarasat;23321]This has nothing to do with sex said:Muhammad was proud apparently of having sexual intercourse with a 9 year old Jewish Girl right ?Muslim (8:3309) - Muhammad married Aisha at the age of nine.Muslim (8:3311) - The girl took her dolls with her to Muhammad's house (something to play with when the "prophet" was not having sex with her).Bukhari (6:298) - Muhammad would take a bath with the little girl and fondle her.IbnFarasat;23321]Again said:Lets have another look where suicide bombings are justified in accordance to the Qur'an:Sura (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah' date=' be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."Sura (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden : they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme."Sura (2:207) - "And there is the type of man who gives his life to earn the pleasure of Allah..."Sura (61:10-12) - "O ye who believe! Shall I lead you to a bargain that will save you from a grievous Penalty? That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger, and that ye strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Allah, with your property and your persons: That will be best for you, if ye but knew! He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Gardens of Eternity: that is indeed the Supreme Achievement."[/QUOTE']IbnFarasat;23321]There were no bombs 1400 years ago said:The wording of Suicide BOMBINGS is for today even though I realize I worded that clearly wrong. However the proper wording should of been that the Qur'an promotes the Murder of others even if it means surrendering their own. Now with this said, did they need bombs over the years ?Rick;23312]Muslim avoid hell by killing for Allah:Qur said:Should read "when was the Qur'an fully established?" Please confirm the dates listed as clearly asked.IbnFarasat;23321]What dates?[/QUOTE]Where I asked you clearly:[quote name= said:Is it not true that Muhammad created the Qur'an 610 to 612 after the death of our lord and savior Jesus Christ on the Cross?Rick;23312 said:NOTE KEY WORDING : Muhammad was " NOT MEANT " to be a decendent of Isaac. You are clearly avoiding a direct question." NOT MEANT " "supposed". But the fact is that he WAS NOT.IbnFarasat;23321 said:If you want me to reword it then I can say that Muhammad was not supposed to be from the decendent of isaac. Although he was still a direct decendent of abraham i.e. through ishmael.Rick;23312 said:Put the link together eliminating spaces to confirm this:http :// www . associatedcontent .com /article/158761/muslim_council_of_britain_lists_demands. html In this article will reveal that Islam is being forced with commands in the public schools of England. It is kinda sad that you seem to have no knowledge on the Country you live within.Of course they will not admit failing students who do not convert. My British school age family members out of Manchester and other students have throughout the UK. God Bless you my friend.IbnFarasat;23321 said:Thats interesting' date=' I did not come across that on any of the popular news channels nor did one of the members of the islamic council (who happens to be the father of my close friend) mentioned any of this.[/QUOTE']It is all in the BBC News ever so often AND it is all over online. Being Muslim and within the UK ( If you went to school their). You Know what I mean ' date=' stop denying the fact. I lived in Greater Manchester long enough and I was not born yesterday. The fact is in certain Mid West American Schools Islam is entering public schools such as they did the UK. If Christianity was once banned in Public Schools in America by the Government,Why is the Government here allowing Islam to be taught such as it is mandated in the UK? I do not expect you to know that answer, I just think it is wrong in which the Government needs to be addressed with this issue here and not fall in the path of the Islamic trail in which our National Allies have.Rick;23312 said:But your faith does not promote forced conversion right ? Lets take a look.Sura (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day' date=' nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."Sura (9:5) - "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem ; but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them..."Sura (9:12) - "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion"Sura (2:193) - "And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion be only for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers."Hadith:Muslim (1:33) -The Messenger of Allah said: "I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah..." Muslim (19:4294) - "When you meet your enemies who are polytheists , invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them ... If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them"Bukhari (8:387) - "Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah.'"Bukhari (53:392) - "While we were in the Mosque, the Prophet came out and said, "Let us go to the Jews" We went out till we reached Bait-ul-Midras. He said to them, "If you embrace Islam, you will be safe. You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from this land. So, if anyone amongst you owns some property, he is permitted to sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle."Bukhari (2:24) - "Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."[/QUOTE']IbnFarasat;23321]If you live in muslim lands said:The United Kingdom was never Muslim land in history. Muslims forced this upon our American Allies. America, Canada and Australia is not either and Muslims are fighting to take control of these Countries as we speak. NICE TRY though.Rick;23312]PUBLIC SCHOOLS my friend said:IbnFarasat;23321]Over here there are many different schools said:Same with Islamic schools however you are missing the point? I clearly state PUBLIC SCHOOLS. What does it have to do with anything? Well it clearly shows the path of the Anti Christ taking over the World before the second coming of Christ.Rick;23312]Please watch this video carefully.(again no spaces)http ://www .youtube.com/watch?v= JKUoxbR9mwAAnd Check out this article of a rally held by Muslims in the UK instructing Muslim Military personal to fight their allies ( American Soldiers) http :// www. telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/09/30/nhizb130.xmlPlease link this video and find out.[url=http://www]http://www[/url] .youtube .com /watch?v=OLK1Xpc7SMQ&mode=related&search=Here is the article to confirm anyhow.http ://www .danielpipes.org/article/83[/QUOTE][quote name= said:Islam is perfect' date=' but the muslims are not. Don't judge islam by the muslims judge it by its teachings. If you find a verse you are questioning' date=' then find out why it was revealed and what were the circumstances. and to completely understand the verses of qur'an refer to the life of Muhammad because Muhammad is the living embodiment of the qur'an.[/QUOTE''] Do you not mean Islam is to full of Contradictions and Evil? Being within both religions at certain points of my life, My views are my views and the my lord and savior Jesus Christ has the best true faiths on the Planet back then, now and in the future my friend as you will see on a later date during the second coming of Christ in which my heart and prayers are with you to convert and see the true light that he has blessed us with.