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"And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon."

"For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken,"

Two completely different locations. 2 totally different reasons. Zechariah 14 is an attack against God at Jerusalem. Armageddon in Revelation 16 is God attacking at the Hill of Megiddo.
Jesus doesn't return "Twice" as you falsely claim, he returns once in the second coming with all the saints, this teaching is seen in multiple places in the scripture

The earthquake seen below is the very same earthquake that proceeds the Lord's second coming seen in Revelation 11:13 in the 2nd woe

The false teaching that Jesus returns to earth and hangs out with fleshly mortal humans is deception, setting the unaware up for the false (Man Of Sin/The Antichrist) who will be revealed in Jerusalem proclaiming to be (God/Jesus) returned

Below the second coming (The End)

Zechariah 14:5KJV
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
 

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I agree, but not Armageddon 42 months after the baptism of fire.

The Mount of Megiddo is not the Mount of Olives.
You teach of "Two" future second comings of Jesus in the heavens, "False"!

There will be one future second coming, is your Jesus going to vacate his millennial throne, jump back up in the heavens, and pull of the same event in coming in the heavens "Smiles"!

One future second coming in the heavens in fire and final judgment (The End)
 

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I Disagree, Jesus will literally place his eternal glorified feet on the earthly Mount of Olives, this is the point where the corrupt mortal physical earth is dissolved by fire "In The Twinkling Of An Eye" mortal becomes immortal, just as post #191 above explains, it's at this time the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem takes place, "Eternity" begins in the blink of an eye

Zechariah 14:1&12 is the very same (Day Of The Lord) as seen in 2 Peter 3:10 below, the very same second coming and fire that consumes man and the earth (The End)

Zechariah 14:1 & 12KJV
1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.

12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

1 Corinthians 15:52-54KJV
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
Luke 17
[28] Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
[29] But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all [within 24 hours].
[30] Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thes. 1
[7] And to you who are troubled rest with us, WHEN the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
[8] In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
[9] Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

[10] WHEN he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

When is "WHEN"??
Ans. "In that day"
You all don't know that it is going to be a simultaneous event in one 24 hour day of redemption for the Saints, and the destruction of the wicked, even all those who are left in their graves.

Jesus Himself will not be descending to touch upon an earth enveloped in "a lake of fire" and molten lava!
2 Peter 3:1-18, specifically verses 10-13.

1 Thes. 4:13-18.
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain
shall be caught up together with them in the CLOUDS**, to meet the Lord in THE AIR [atmosphere]: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
[18] Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

**Note: please see Acts 1:9, John 14:3 and John 17:24.
 
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Obviously He is already sitting on a throne in Jerusalem after touching down on the Mount of Olives. Jesus does not have to repeat every detail all the time in Scripture.
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Correct,...but in Heavenly Jerusalem, not earthly Jerusalem!

That opposes the false belief that Jesus will return in all His Glory and repeat having His feet standing on Mount Olive.
In His first manifestation in the flesh, HE LIVED In Mount Olive. Please ref. The scriptures I posted in post #181.
(Clue: He Ascended into a cloud Acts 1:9, and shall return in like manner, in clouds. 1 Thes. 4:17).
 
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Luke 17
[28] Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
[29] But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all [within 24 hours].
[30] Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thes. 1
[7] And to you who are troubled rest with us, WHEN the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
[8] In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
[9] Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

[10] WHEN he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

When is "WHEN"??
Ans. "In that day"
You all don't know that it is going to be a simultaneous event in one 24 hour day of redemption for the Saints, and the destruction of the wicked, even all those who are left in their graves.

Jesus Himself will not be descending to touch upon an earth enveloped in "a lake of fire" and molten lava!
2 Peter 3:1-18, specifically verses 10-13.

1 Thes. 4:13-18.
[16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
[17] Then we which are alive and remain
shall be caught up together with them in the CLOUDS**, to meet the Lord in THE AIR [atmosphere]: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
[18] Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

**Note: please see Acts 1:9, John 14:3 and John 17:24.
What version are you quoting, the childrens bible?

Jesus will touch down upon this earth, as the blink of an eye takes place "Immediately"!

Mortal into immortality (The End) as the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, is revealed for eternity!

The change is taking place, in the twinkling of an eye, as the Eternal Kingdom is revealed!

Zechariah 14:4KJV
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
 
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You refuse to understand whom God was prophesying to through Jeremiah! It is not a spiritual group, but the physical Israel! God made that clear when He said the New Covenant was not like the old which their fathers broke in the desert! No spiritualized group broke that old covenant.

So show the verse where God definitively declares that the Israel of the old testament (the descendants of Abraham, I saac and Jacob) are not the Israel of the New Testament.

The bible has gone through great lengths to define Israel and you seem to cavalierly redefine it as many others who redefine words in Scripture.

But you cannot get past the problem of Romans 11 :

If we are to follow your logic and definition of what Israel is (the church) then Paul is saying the church has not obtained that which it sought for. that blindness has fallen in part on the body of christ. That the church are the natural branches etc.etc. Just substitute church for every place Israel is mentioned- if we are to accept your allegorization of Pauls Words inspired by the Holy Spirit.
Physical Israel who broke the covenant in the desert included the descendants of Joseph - Gentiles.
 

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Two thousand years of being hated without cause, lied about, maligned, misrepresented, and name used as a curse-word.

Jesus
The King of the Jews

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Jews

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Within the last 100 years

Israel (the state that goes by that name)

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Until He comes.
The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence [Hebrew: châmâs | Hamas]. -- Genesis 6:11

See the one who is pregnant with wickedness, who conceives destructive plans, and gives birth to harmful lies - he digs a pit and then falls into the hole he has made. He becomes the victim of his own destructive plans and the violence [Hebrew: châmâs | Hamas] he intended for others falls on his own head.

I will thank the LORD for his justice; I will sing praises to the sovereign LORD! -- Psalm 7:14-16

I'm praying for the state called Israel and its citizens. I'm praying for wisdom.
 
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Two thousand years of being hated without cause, lied about, maligned, misrepresented, and name used as a curse-word.

Jesus
The King of the Jews

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Jews

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Within the last 100 years

Israel (the state that goes by that name)

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Until He comes.
The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence [Hebrew: châmâs | Hamas]. -- Genesis 6:11

The Exalted God is my shield, the one who delivers the morally upright. God is a just judge; he is angry throughout the day. If a person does not repent, God sharpens his sword and prepares to shoot his bow. He prepares to use deadly weapons against him; he gets ready to shoot flaming arrows.

See the one who is pregnant with wickedness, who conceives destructive plans, and gives birth to harmful lies - he digs a pit and then falls into the hole he has made. He becomes the victim of his own destructive plans and the violence
[Hebrew: châmâs | Hamas] he intended for others falls on his own head.

I will thank the LORD for his justice; I will sing praises to the sovereign LORD! -- Psalm 7:14-16

I'm praying for the state called Israel and its citizens. I'm praying for wisdom.
Your Zionist Dream, the Jewish in general hate Jesus Christ and Christianity, only the remnant is called and chosen
 
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Only the remnant is called and chosen
The above = the top image. The images below the top image are the people who do what the heading says with Jesus, and the result is what has been done to them for the last 2,000 years.

You're always making assumptions based on what you think people are saying instead of looking for the meaning.

Anyway. You should be praying for Israel and its people. Praying for them to come to a knowledge of the truth regarding who Jesus is, and praying for their safety. If you do not love them the way Jesus loves them then you do not love them the way God loves them, regardless of their unbelief.

He wants them saved. Not hated.
 

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What version are you quoting, the childrens bible?

Jesus will touch down upon this earth, as the blink of an eye takes place "Immediately"!

Mortal into immortality (The End) as the New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, is revealed for eternity!

The change is taking place, in the twinkling of an eye, as the Eternal Kingdom is revealed!

Zechariah 14:4KJV
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
As you should know, the first manifestation of Jesus in the flesh, was being kept secret by God from the beginning of the world. Rom. 16:25

As a result, though God prophesied through the OC prophets about Him as being "the Promise to come", NONE of the prophets knew anything about Jesus' three manifestations. They were not allowed to know what was spoken through them, of WHEN those prophecies should be fulfilled.

So then, when we do read the words of the prophets, we are to use "the mind of Christ within us" for discernment, so that we may know what has been fulfilled, is now being fulfilled, and that which shall be fulfilled.
1 Cor. 2:16.

Zech. 14:4 began in the day that Jesus dwelled in the Mount of Olive. He Himself is that symbolic "valley", whereby all of Israel are to "flee to" for their individual salvation. For all of Israel that do come to Jesus through faith, during His second manifestation since Pentecost, they each who are "born again" are one in the Lord, and are fulfilling the prophecy of "the one stick".
Ezk. 38:16-19.
Jesus Himself IS that land of Israel. aka Heavenly Jerusalem.
 
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The above = the top image. The images below the top image are the people who do what the heading says with Jesus, and the result is what has been done to them for the last 2,000 years.

You're always making assumptions based on what you think people are saying instead of looking for the meaning.

Anyway. You should be praying for Israel and its people. Praying for them to come to a knowledge of the truth regarding who Jesus is, and praying for their safety. If you do not love them the way Jesus loves them then you do not love them the way God loves them, regardless of their unbelief.

He wants them saved. Not hated.
And for every Jew, out of each generation, that has not come to "the judgment seat of Christ" through faith in Him, since Pentecost, is "condemned already". John 3:18.

Rom. 10
[12] For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
 

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The above = the top image. The images below the top image are the people who do what the heading says with Jesus, and the result is what has been done to them for the last 2,000 years.

You're always making assumptions based on what you think people are saying instead of looking for the meaning.

Anyway. You should be praying for Israel and its people. Praying for them to come to a knowledge of the truth regarding who Jesus is, and praying for their safety. If you do not love them the way Jesus loves them then you do not love them the way God loves them, regardless of their unbelief.

He wants them saved. Not hated.
Your words apply to (The World) for God so loved (The World)

Israel and Jews have no specific favor with God based upon their ethnic origins as dispensationalism falsely teaches, God has no respect for person
 
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After the second coming is completed, Jesus will stand upon the Earth (Rev 14:1) and in fact live here forever, Rev 21-22.
Your Claim Is Malarkey

Jesus returns in fire and final judgement (The End)

The heavens and earth will be dissolved by fire, the believer is to look for "New" heavens, earth, and Jerusalem

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
 
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(Jerusalem) Is The Whore, Mystery Babylon The Great.

What Jersualem? Is it a physical city in the Middle East or the New Testament congregation of God on Earth?

The Levitical High Priest Dressing represents "The Woman", that is dressed in purple, scarlet, gold, and precious stones as seen below

(Revelation) 17:4KJV

4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Yes "The Woman", The Levitical High Priest, Dressed In Purple, Scarlet, Gold, And Precious Stones

The woman is the congregation of Israel. She represented the Old Testament congregation before the Cross AND she also represented the New Testament Congregation after the Cross. The woman is a kingdom of God that was taken from Old Testament congregation because of the rejection of the Messiah and gave the kingdom representation to another - a holy nation that brings forth fruits (salvation) which is the church. The woman of Revelations 17 and 18 speaks of that New Testament congregation, the unfaithful church, at this time. Not a physical city in the Middle East.

Mat 21:42-44
(42) Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
(43) Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
(44) And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.


(Jerusalem) is the seven Mount city, where the woman sits, not Rome as many falsely claim.

(Revelation) 17:9KJV

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

List of cities claimed to be built on seven hills - Wikipedia
Jerusalem, Israel: Jerusalem's seven hills are Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet and the Mount of Corruption (all three are peaks in a mountain ridge that lies east of the Old City), Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built.

Ridiculous. Why are you bothering with Wikipedia for an interpreation of God's Word?! No, you got it from God HImself in the Bible!

For example, 142 homes in the Poconos are seated on 7 hills. But what has that got to do with Scripture?! I mean, it doesn't even really fit what's stated there. Are these alleged 7 hills in Rome or Jerusalem ruled by 7 kings? Do we treat Scripture like a salad bar where we can take what we like and leave the rest behind? No, the interpretations BELONG TO GOD and are not subject to supposition and assumptions with your searching for literal hills or mountain on the map. In the world, 7 hills may "seem" to loosely fit with Rome, but in Scirpture hill/mountains are used to SYMBOLIZE kingdoms. Not literal hills or mountains. And Revelation is an "OBVIOUSILY" symbolic book, you know that, right? And 7 heads symbolize authority. This is the cryptic language that God uses in books like Revelation, Daniel, Ezekiel, etc. And in fact, it tells us plainly "RIGHT IN THE CONTEXT" that there were 7 kings of the mountains, meaning the mountains represented kingdoms.
Revelation 17:9-10
  • "And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
  • And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space."
Common sense would tell us IF the mountains were to be taken as literal hills, the woman sitting upon them must be taken literally also. Inconsistency is the hallmark of error. Selah! So it's nonsensical to think of these 7 mountains as literal little hills upon which Rome or Jersualem sits. If that were true, then one of these literal mountains hadn't even existed yet when Revelation was written, and another had already fallen at the time of the writing. That's how ridiculous it is, no matter what people may have thought based on their tunnel vision. It makes no sense unless we read scripture logically, and circumspectly, and define scripture by comparing scripture with scripture. Not by the geographical hills and valleys of Italy or Israel, or the il feelings toward the Catholic Church of the day.


The Roman Empire didnt exist to be guilty of the Prophets blood seen below, Jerusalem did.

It is false to accuse ANY physical city (or historic empire) of being guilty of the prophets' blood. In reality, it was the unfaithful congregation, the corporate part of the congregation, who was responsible for the bloodshed of the True Saints WITHIN! These professed believers, both Jews and Christians, have killed the prophets over time when they are confronted with the truth. This has nothing to do with a physical city or empire. There are two groups of people within the congregation of God - the professed (unsaved) and True Saints and Prophets. It is the unsaved people of the congregation who are guilty of the bloodshed of the True Saints and Prophets.
(Matthew) 23:29-37KJV
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

This is talking about the judgment of the Old Testament congregation who was responsible for the blood of Old Testament saints from Abel to Zacharias.
Jerusalem (The Woman) that (Great City) as seen below, Jerusalem where Jesus Christ was crucified

(Revelation) 17:18AKJV

18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

It's the symmetry of scripture and the circle of Covenant imagery. The death of Christ prefigures the death of the Church. That's why "THE VERY INSTANT": Christ died, the veil of the Temple was torn in half, symbolizing the Old Testament Congregation/Church had fallen. Yet the true Israel of God continued "apart" from that body. Likewise, Revelation 11 tells us that when the New Testament Church (the two witnesses) is killed, it is "where Christ was Crucified," the place spiritually called Sodom and Egypt. In other words, It is Jerusalem, the new testament congregation, that has spiritually become abominable. Behold their house is also left desolate!
 

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Jews/Hebrews cast dust upon their heads, weeping for the (Great City) Jerusalem

(Revelation) 18:19 AKJV

19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

No no no. The two witnesses represent Christians with the power of the Holy Spirit to preach the Gospel since Pentecost. The witnesses (True Church) being killed where our Lord was crucified is not a reference to a literal place (quite obviously) but to the spiritual nature of the city Jersualem. For example, where our Lord was crucified was SPIRITUALLY SPEAKING Sodom and Egypt. Please read the Scripture in context! Just as where these are killed in the streets of this city is spiritual as Sodom and Egypt. Using your warped rationale, I would say since Sodom and Egypt were cities outside Jersualem, this was outside! It makes no sense when we try to manipulate Scripture.
Revelation 11:7-8
  • "And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
  • And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified."
Context is everything. It's one complete sentence. The wide places of the great city spiritually Sodom and Egypt, where also Christ was crucified (Spiritually). Quite obviously, it's speaking of the spiritual nature of the City. In other words, the spiritual nature of the New Testament Church (aka Babylon the Great).

I have pointed out the other day in Revelation 11:1-2, that the Gentiles are given the Court, which is "outside" the Holy Temple. Yet it is part of the external Covenant Church. God there is telling us that "spiritually speaking" they are part of the Holy temple, but they are not saved because the court is not measured as part of the Holy Temple, but outside. It doesn't mean they were not part of the external Church, but that they were spiritually corrupt as they trample the city under foot. This is where the false prophets and christs can be found! If you had actually read the study, instead of looking for ways to make it appear contradictory, or to support your views, you would know that.

But I'm sorry to say, your Modus Operandi seems to be to misapply scripture, pull people's words out of context, twist the meaning of Biblical phrases, wrest the scripture, and do whatever you have to do to make your doctrine "appear" consistent by applying to a certain city in the Middle East. Your handling of the believers being "dead in the streets of the city" just the latest. But that's not the way of truth.

2nd Timothy 4:1-2
  • "I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
  • Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine."
I'm sure some may think my rebuke of you, heartless, cruel, unloving, impatient, when in fact they are just the opposite. It's all about the doctrine of Christ.
 

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What Jersualem? Is it a physical city in the Middle East or the New Testament congregation of God on Earth?

The woman is the congregation of Israel. She represented the Old Testament congregation before the Cross AND she also represented the New Testament Congregation after the Cross. The woman is a kingdom of God that was taken from Old Testament congregation because of the rejection of the Messiah and gave the kingdom representation to another - a holy nation that brings forth fruits (salvation) which is the church. The woman of Revelations 17 and 18 speaks of that New Testament congregation, the unfaithful church, at this time. Not a physical city in the Middle East.
Your claims are "Error"

The woman is a literal great city on this earth, a great city where Jesus was crucified (Jerusalem)

(Jerusalem) is the literal seven Mount city, where the woman Jerusalem sits

(Revelation) 17:9KJV

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

List of cities claimed to be built on seven hills - Wikipedia
Jerusalem, Israel: Jerusalem's seven hills are Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet and the Mount of Corruption (all three are peaks in a mountain ridge that lies east of the Old City), Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built.

Revelation 17:18KJV
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

Revelation 11:8KJV
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
 
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Your claims are "Error"

Very unlikely! :)
The woman is a literal great city on this earth, a great city where Jesus was crucified (Jerusalem)

Revelation 17:18KJV
18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

Revelation 11:8KJV
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

You believe so with the carnal mind, of course. Not spiritually discerned. :)

It is you who are in error. For example:

Revelation 17:9-10
  • " And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sitteth.
  • And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space."
Not five literal mountains fallen or the city will be stumbled. Or the woman sits on "ONE IS" and later one more mountain shows up, if you take it literally. It does not make any sense, whether its Rome or Jersualem sitting on literal mountains. LOL!!!

Look...the 7 heads (symbolizing authority) "are" also seven mountains (symbolizing kingdoms) are seven kings (symbolizing rule). So the seven heads (signifying authority and leadership) are all actually 7 kings (signifying rule). It is all interconnected symbolism. Not only is the 7 kings symbolic, but we read the 7 kings "are" 7 mountains, which is also symbolic. The 7 heads are actually seven periods of the authoritative rule of the beast, which in totality is its complete rule throughout time. That's why 5 were already fallen. So we can't say a head is not a king or a horn is not a king, or a horn is not a head, because it's all symbolical and tied intimately together to paint a bigger picture of a powerful kingdom and its reign.

Do you even know what the "mind which hath wisdom" God is REALLY talking about here? An expert on city terrain maps? Or spiritually discerned what God actually talked about. Take your pick.
 
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Your Claim Is Malarkey

Jesus returns in fire and final judgement (The End)

The heavens and earth will be dissolved by fire, the believer is to look for "New" heavens, earth, and Jerusalem

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.


That doesn't happen at the second coming. Here are the actual NHNE being seen and when they happen:

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

This is well after the second coming, and the GWTJ.
 

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Your claims are "Error"

The woman is a literal great city on this earth, a great city where Jesus was crucified (Jerusalem)

(Jerusalem) is the literal seven Mount city, where the woman Jerusalem sits

Jerusalem sits on at least 12 mountains/hills:



1. The Mount of Olives
2. Mount Scopus
3. Mount of Corruption
4. Original Mount Zion/called Temple Mount
5. The New Mount Zion/called Western Hill
6. Mount Ophel
7. Antonia Fortress Hill
8. Mount Moriah
9. Mount Bezetha
10. Mount Acra
11. Mount Gareb
12. Mount Herzl
 

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First of all, I am not an anti-Semite/racist. I do not hate people because of their origin. What I will quote does not come from me but from the Bible. The Bible itself does not teach racism. When the Bible speaks negatively about Jews, it refers to Jews who are not Christians, not ethnic Jews in general.
Maybe you should read Romans 11