Israel, the Church, and the Rapture

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Israel, the Church, and the Rapture
OP ^


Israel - Gods People.
Yes.

Church - Christ Jesus "and" People, called out, who confess heartful belief, THAT:
Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Yes.

Rapture - Lifting People "IN Christ" up, from the face of the Earth;
To escape Gods Wrath during Great Tribulation.
Yes.

Glory to God,
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You have suggested the church wont be present on earth because of Gods wrath
I clearly responded to this.

The Church is: Christ Jesus, and those who have committed to heartful belief in Christ Jesus.
Correct...neither Christ Jesus or His Church members are subject to Gods Wrath.

There will be no pre-trib rapture as dispensationalism teaches,

Dispensationalism has a broad spectrum of meanings, without my consideration, thus that comment is irrelevant.

Scripture teaches, there is nothing new under the sun. What was will be.
Scripture teaches...TWO Great Tribulations, whereby Gods Wrath Cearly AFFECTS the Inhabitants ON the Earth and the Earth itself.
One Great Tribulation has passed.
The Second and Last Great Tribulation is YET to come.

You should have Learned from the Historical words IN Scripture:
Who, What, When, Why, Where...
OF What Happened during the First Great Tribulation...
To comprehend ...
Nothing is new under the sun.
The Second and Last Great Tribulation IS the same concept as the First Great Tribulation

the church will be present on earth and protected

The Church...Christ Jesus IS In Heaven.
The Church...Men IN Christ, According to Scripture, shall be lifted up "from the face of the earth..."

as shown, the two witnesses will rule the tribulation,

TWO...witnesses....will rule the tribulation?
Pfff...Off on a tangent.
Witnesses are NOT RULERS!

not the antichrist as dispensationalism teaches

Off on a tangent.
More of your irrelevant dispensationalism deflection.

BTW - the "god" of "this corrupt world"... the anti-Christ...has been here, Since Before mankind was created....and ruling the hearts and minds of ignorant and corrupt men, from the time mankind was created!

Do you actually read the Bible?

It's going to be a complete remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt and the sealed Church is on the winning team

Moses/Arron against Pharaoh...
was NOT a Great Tribulation.
Pharaoh against Israel (Gods People), was God allowing His People, (who faultered in TRUSTING God,) to be allowed to be MADE "subject to" Pharaoh who ENSLAVED Gods People Israel.

Nothing NEW. Men will either submit to be Ruled BY God or Ruled by men.

Nothing new under the sun.
The Second and Last Great Tribulation is a "remake of similarity"... to the First Great Tribulation.

Compare apples to apples, to arrive at the Truth.

You are all over the place...dispensationalism; Pharoah, Moses, Arron, TWO witnesses....

None of that has anything to do with the Church being present ON Earth during the Tribulation.

 

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The Church is: Christ Jesus, and those who have committed to heartful belief in Christ Jesus.
Correct...neither Christ Jesus or His Church members are subject to Gods Wrath.



Dispensationalism has a broad spectrum of meanings, without my consideration, thus that commen irrelevant.

Scripture teaches, there is nothing new under the sun. What was will be.
Scripture teaches...TWO Great Tribulations, whereby Gods Wrath Cearly AFFECTS the Inhabitants ON the Earth and the Earth itself.
One Great Tribulation has passed.
The Second and Last Great Tribulation is YET to come.

You should have Learned from the Historical words IN Scripture:
Who, What, When, Why, Where...
OF What Happened during the First Great Tribulation...
To comprehend ...
Nothing is new under the sun.
The Second and Last Great Tribulation IS the same concept as the First Great Tribulation



The Church...Christ Jesus IS In Heaven.
The Church...Men IN Christ, According to Scripture, shall be lifted up "from the face of the earth..."



TWO...witnesses....will rule the tribulation?
Pfff...Off on a tangent.
Witnesses are NOT RULERS!



Off on a tangent.
More of your irrelevant dispensationalism deflection.

BTW - the "god" of "this corrupt world"... the anti-Christ...has been here, Since Before mankind was created....and ruling the hearts and minds of ignorant and corrupt men, from the time mankind was created!

Do you actually read the Bible?



Moses/Arron against Pharaoh...
was NOT a Great Tribulation.
Pharaoh against Israel (Gods People), was God allowing His People, (who faultered in TRUSTING God,) to be allowed to be MADE "subject to" Pharaoh who ENSLAVED Gods People Israel.

Nothing NEW. Men will either submit to be Ruled BY God or Ruled by men.

Nothing new under the sun.
The Second and Last Great Tribulation is a "remake of similarity"... to the First Great Tribulation.

Compare apples to apples, to arrive at the Truth.

You are all over the place...dispensationalism; Pharoah, Moses, Arron, TWO witnesses....

None of that has anything to do with the Church being present ON Earth during the Tribulation.

Yes that's exactly what's going down, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt, and the Church is on the winning team, the two Witnesses bring all plagues as Often as they will, as you remain silent on this truth

Of course you remained silent on Revelation 16:1-11 and the plagues, Revelation 9:1-5 the torture of man 5 months, desiring to die as death flees, while the sealed church is protected

 

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Yes that's exactly what's going down, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt, and the Church is on the winning team, the two Witnesses bring all plagues as Often as they will, as you remain silent on this truth

Your words are not my words.
Your truth is not my truth.
Your truth is the TWO witnesses:

will rule rule the trublation

The TWO witnesses, ARE Servants of God, ARE sent WITH Gods Authority and POWER, TO Jerusalem, TO Preach TO all men, Primarily the Jews, the Gospel OF Jesus Christ.

Of course you remained silent on Revelation 16:1-11 and the plagues, Revelation 9:1-5 the torture of man 5 months, desiring to die as death flees, while the sealed church is protected

EH...out of Context.
Your Truth is NOT Scripture Truth.
Your Truth is NOT my Truth.
THE TOPIC is THE RAPTURE.
YOU cannot support your CLAIM of "no Rapture"....SO YOU DEFLECT..."OFF TOPIC"...
TO TWO WITNESSES...and preach more of your "OUTSIDE" of Scripture claims"

Revelations 16:1-11, Revelations 9: 1-5, torture of man 5 months

Revelation FACTS per the Two Witnesses;
.
Rev 11:
POWER given the Two Witnesses FOR 3.5 years.

Rev 11:
[3] And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
[4] These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
[5] And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
[6] These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

AFTER 3.5 years

[7] And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

the sealed church is protected

Scripture TEACHES THE Church "IS PROMISED" Protection FROM the Great Tribulation Wrath...

You are preaching the CHURCH "IS Protected THROUGH The Great Tribulation.

* Scripture Teaches TWO WITNESES, are "PROTECTED FOR 3.5 years THEN KILLED!

* THE TWO WITNESSES...DO NOT MAKE UP the entirety of THE CHURCH.
* THE TWO WITNESSES...BEING KILLED...COMPLETELY DESTROYS YOUR POSITION...and FALSE PREACHING...that "the CHURCH is PROTECTED...THROUGH the TRIBULATION".

The FACT IS:
* A Great Second Tribulation, OF Gods WRATH, SHALL OCCUR, UPON the EARTH.
* The CHURCH IS PROMISED "ESCAPE FROM....REMOVAL FROM" Gods WRATH.
* The "PROMISE OF";
The "ESCAPE FROM"...the "REMOVAL FROM;
"IS FULFILLED"... WHEN THE CHURCH "IS"...
"LIFTED UP FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH" !!

Concerning the RAPTURE... WHICH IS THE TOPIC....I suggested YOU study the TRUTH in Scripture.
You chose not to.

The Church is NOT appointed to Wrath.
The Church does NOT go THROUGH Gods Wrath.
The Church is ESCAPED FROM Gods Wrath.
Gods METHOD OF ESCAPE, IS RISING HIS SAVED CHURCH, ABOVE the Face of the Earth...
TO the clouds.

During the FIRST Great TRIBULATION...
Gods METHOD OF ESCAPE, FOR THE SAVED, was the SAME...RISING HIS SAVED, ABOVE the Face of the Earth...
TO the clouds.

* STAYING ON POINT OF DISCUSSION...
LEADS TO UNDERSTANDING.
* DEFLECTION OFF POINT...
LEADS TO IRRELEVANT MEANINGLESS BABBLE.
* READING THE TRUTH IN SCRIPTURE, PERTAINING TO THE POINT OF DISCUSSION...
LEADS TO THE TRUTH AND THE UNDERSTANDING.

You simply proclaim your ANTI-position of the RAPTURE of the CHURCH... WITHOUT one iota of Scriptural Evidence to support your ANTI-position,

Nothing NEW Under the sun.
God SAVES HIS SAVED, FROM "HIS WRATH" UPON the EARTH...
BY ESCAPE of LIFTING THEM UP...OFF the FACE
OF THE EARTH.

Your OPINION, Your DEFLECTION...is defeated.

 

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Israel, the Church, and the Rapture
OP ^

* Israel IS Gods People, BY Gods DECLARATION.
* The Church IS Gods People, THROUGH, Christ the Lord Jesus;
(Christ the Lord Jesus; who is THE:
Servant of God,
Holy One of God,
Word of God,
Power of God,
Light of God,
Wisdom of God,
Truth of God,
Life of God,
Seed of God,
Salvation of God,
Quickening Spirit of God.)

* Revelation....
God SERVES HIMSELF TO ACCOMPLISH, that which mankind FAILS TO Accomplish!

Mankind, FAILING on his OWN ACCORD....
CAN:
FREE-ly, WILL-fully, HEART-fully...
ACCEPT:
Gods OFFERING, TO BE "MADE" wholly whole, acceptable TO God, "THROUGH" Christ the Lord Jesus....
OR NOT ACCEPT.

ACCEPT ...
PROMISE of Eternal LIFE.
PROMISE of ESCAPE from GODS WRATH.
DO NOT ACCEPT
PROMISE of Eternal DEATH.
PROMISE of EXPERIENCE of GODS WRATH...
And CUP OF INDIGNATION.

Some men PREACH, they have NO FREEWILL CHOICE....EH...BUZZZZZZ....
Proved, over and over and over...men think, have opinions, believe, do whatever they freely choose to do.

 

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* Israel IS Gods People, BY Gods DECLARATION.
* The Church IS Gods People, THROUGH, Christ the Lord Jesus;
(Christ the Lord Jesus; who is THE:
Servant of God,
Holy One of God,
Word of God,
Power of God,
Light of God,
Wisdom of God,
Truth of God,
Life of God,
Seed of God,
Salvation of God,
Quickening Spirit of God.)

* Revelation....
God SERVES HIMSELF TO ACCOMPLISH, that which mankind FAILS TO Accomplish!

Mankind, FAILING on his OWN ACCORD....
CAN:
FREE-ly, WILL-fully, HEART-fully...
ACCEPT:
Gods OFFERING, TO BE "MADE" wholly whole, acceptable TO God, "THROUGH" Christ the Lord Jesus....
OR NOT ACCEPT.

ACCEPT ...
PROMISE of Eternal LIFE.
PROMISE of ESCAPE from GODS WRATH.
DO NOT ACCEPT
PROMISE of Eternal DEATH.
PROMISE of EXPERIENCE of GODS WRATH...
And CUP OF INDIGNATION.

Some men PREACH, they have NO FREEWILL CHOICE....EH...BUZZZZZZ....
Proved, over and over and over...men think, have opinions, believe, do whatever they freely choose to do.

Dispensationalism's (Dual Cocenant Theology) in (Two Peoples Of God) Jew/Church, a teaching in error

There is one covenant between God and man, the shed blood upon Calvary, Jesus Christ fulfilled all the promises made to Abraham, he said "Seed" singular, which is Jesus Christ, not "Seeds" as many, including a National Jewish Israel as you claim

Galatians 3:16KJV
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

 

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* THE TWO WITNESSES...BEING KILLED...COMPLETELY DESTROYS YOUR POSITION...and FALSE PREACHING...that "the CHURCH is PROTECTED...THROUGH the TRIBULATION".

The FACT IS:
* A Great Second Tribulation, OF Gods WRATH, SHALL OCCUR, UPON the EARTH.
* The CHURCH IS PROMISED "ESCAPE FROM....REMOVAL FROM" Gods WRATH.
* The "PROMISE OF";
The "ESCAPE FROM"...the "REMOVAL FROM;
"IS FULFILLED"... WHEN THE CHURCH "IS"...
"LIFTED UP FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH" !!

Concerning the RAPTURE... WHICH IS THE TOPIC....I suggested YOU study the TRUTH in Scripture.
You chose not to.

The Church is NOT appointed to Wrath.
The Church does NOT go THROUGH Gods Wrath.
The Church is ESCAPED FROM Gods Wrath.
Gods METHOD OF ESCAPE, IS RISING HIS SAVED CHURCH, ABOVE the Face of the Earth...
TO the clouds.

During the FIRST Great TRIBULATION...
Gods METHOD OF ESCAPE, FOR THE SAVED, was the SAME...RISING HIS SAVED, ABOVE the Face of the Earth...
TO the clouds.

* STAYING ON POINT OF DISCUSSION...
LEADS TO UNDERSTANDING.
* DEFLECTION OFF POINT...
LEADS TO IRRELEVANT MEANINGLESS BABBLE.
* READING THE TRUTH IN SCRIPTURE, PERTAINING TO THE POINT OF DISCUSSION...
LEADS TO THE TRUTH AND THE UNDERSTANDING.

You simply proclaim your ANTI-position of the RAPTURE of the CHURCH... WITHOUT one iota of Scriptural Evidence to support your ANTI-position,

Nothing NEW Under the sun.
God SAVES HIS SAVED, FROM "HIS WRATH" UPON the EARTH...
BY ESCAPE of LIFTING THEM UP...OFF the FACE
OF THE EARTH.

Your OPINION, Your DEFLECTION...is defeated.

The Two Witnesses Are Killed On The Last Day Of Earths Existence

You will closely note that the "Same Hour" the witnesses are raised as the 2nd and 3rd woe takes place, you will closely note Jesus Reigns For Ever And Ever, you will closely note in Revelation 11:18 that the final judgement takes place (The End)

Revelation 11:11-18KJV
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,
17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

 

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Your words are not my words.
Your truth is not my truth.
Your truth is the TWO witnesses:



The TWO witnesses, ARE Servants of God, ARE sent WITH Gods Authority and POWER, TO Jerusalem, TO Preach TO all men, Primarily the Jews, the Gospel OF Jesus Christ.



EH...out of Context.
Your Truth is NOT Scripture Truth.
Your Truth is NOT my Truth.
THE TOPIC is THE RAPTURE.
YOU cannot support your CLAIM of "no Rapture"....SO YOU DEFLECT..."OFF TOPIC"...
TO TWO WITNESSES...and preach more of your "OUTSIDE" of Scripture claims"

Revelations 16:1-11, Revelations 9: 1-5, torture of man 5 months

Revelation FACTS per the Two Witnesses;
.
Rev 11:
POWER given the Two Witnesses FOR 3.5 years.

Rev 11:
[3] And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
[4] These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
[5] And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
[6] These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

AFTER 3.5 years

[7] And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.




Scripture TEACHES THE Church "IS PROMISED" Protection FROM the Great Tribulation Wrath...

You are preaching the CHURCH "IS Protected THROUGH The Great Tribulation.

* Scripture Teaches TWO WITNESES, are "PROTECTED FOR 3.5 years THEN KILLED!

* THE TWO WITNESSES...DO NOT MAKE UP the entirety of THE CHURCH.
* THE TWO WITNESSES...BEING KILLED...COMPLETELY DESTROYS YOUR POSITION...and FALSE PREACHING...that "the CHURCH is PROTECTED...THROUGH the TRIBULATION".

The FACT IS:
* A Great Second Tribulation, OF Gods WRATH, SHALL OCCUR, UPON the EARTH.
* The CHURCH IS PROMISED "ESCAPE FROM....REMOVAL FROM" Gods WRATH.
* The "PROMISE OF";
The "ESCAPE FROM"...the "REMOVAL FROM;
"IS FULFILLED"... WHEN THE CHURCH "IS"...
"LIFTED UP FROM THE FACE OF THE EARTH" !!

Concerning the RAPTURE... WHICH IS THE TOPIC....I suggested YOU study the TRUTH in Scripture.
You chose not to.

The Church is NOT appointed to Wrath.
The Church does NOT go THROUGH Gods Wrath.
The Church is ESCAPED FROM Gods Wrath.
Gods METHOD OF ESCAPE, IS RISING HIS SAVED CHURCH, ABOVE the Face of the Earth...
TO the clouds.

During the FIRST Great TRIBULATION...
Gods METHOD OF ESCAPE, FOR THE SAVED, was the SAME...RISING HIS SAVED, ABOVE the Face of the Earth...
TO the clouds.

* STAYING ON POINT OF DISCUSSION...
LEADS TO UNDERSTANDING.
* DEFLECTION OFF POINT...
LEADS TO IRRELEVANT MEANINGLESS BABBLE.
* READING THE TRUTH IN SCRIPTURE, PERTAINING TO THE POINT OF DISCUSSION...
LEADS TO THE TRUTH AND THE UNDERSTANDING.

You simply proclaim your ANTI-position of the RAPTURE of the CHURCH... WITHOUT one iota of Scriptural Evidence to support your ANTI-position,

Nothing NEW Under the sun.
God SAVES HIS SAVED, FROM "HIS WRATH" UPON the EARTH...
BY ESCAPE of LIFTING THEM UP...OFF the FACE
OF THE EARTH.

Your OPINION, Your DEFLECTION...is defeated.

You have been shown that the church will be present on earth during the tribulation, there is no pre-trib rapture found in the scripture as dispensationalism teaches

The two Witnesses will bring the plagues seen in Revelation 16:1-11 upon the wicked world, the sealed church is protected

Revelation 9:1-4 clearly shows that the wicked world will be tormented 5 months, desiring to die as death flees, while the sealed church is protected

The 3.5 year tribulation will be ruled by the two witnesses, through plagues upon a wicked world, a complete remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt, while the sealed church is protected

Revelation 11:6KJV
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

The church will be protected from the final hour of earth's temptation, as the instruction is to enter the dwelling, just like the passover in Egypt

Isaiah 26:20-21KJV
20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.
21 For, behold, the Lord cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

 

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Dispensationalism's (Dual Cocenant Theology) in (Two Peoples Of God) Jew/Church, a teaching in error

God declared HIS People, ISRAEL.
God declared HIS Sons Name, FOR ISRAEL and The GENTILES.

If you have a problem with that, Take it up with God.

1 King 6:
[13] And I will dwell among the children of Israel, and will not forsake my people Israel.

Matt 12:
[18] Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles.
[21] And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.

 

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The Two Witnesses Are Killed On The Last Day Of Earths Existence

No. Eh, your ERROR.
The Two Witnesses...Witness 3.5 years.
The Two Witnesses...ARE KILLED.
The Two Witnesses...ARE RISEN UP.
Risen UP...MEANS NO LONGER ON EARTH!
Rev 11:11
Rev 11: 12

THEN follows the LAST Plagues...
The WRATH OF GOD.
THE SEVEN VIALS POURED OUT!

Rev 15:
[1] And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.

Rev 16:
[1] And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.

 

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You have been shown that the church will be present on earth during the tribulation, there is no pre-trib rapture found in the scripture as dispensationalism teaches

You have MADE anti-Rapture CLAIMS.... without Suported Evidence.
Your Claim is Rejected.

The two Witnesses will bring the plagues seen in Revelation 16:1-11 upon the wicked world

While deflecting FROM the Rapture, TO the TWO WITNESSES...you have further MADE CLAIMS about the TWO WITNESSES, that are NOT supported by Scripture.
The TWO Witnesses ARE KILLED, LIFE returned to them, RISEN UP to Heaven...
BEFORE the LAST SEVEN Plagues UPON the Earth, which IS the WRATH OF GOD!

the sealed church is protected

You do not LISTEN.
You do not VERIFY the TRUTH IN Scripture.
The SAVED...are SAVED through Receiving Salvation.
The SAVED...ARE Protected FROM the WrATH UPON the EARTH....BY BEING RISEN UP ABOVE THE FACE OF THE EARTH!
1) The WITNESSES...are HEBREWS
2) The 144,000...are TRIBES.
THEY ARE Faithful Servants OF GOD, SENT by God, TO EARTH....FOR Gods People, ISRAEL!

Ya think NOAH WAS SAVED, ...FROM THE FIRST GREAT TRIBULATION....BY REMAINING ON THE EARTH....and GOING "through" the FLOOD? Pfff!!!

No, No, No, he wasn't....TOLD YOU TO READ for yourself....
* Noah was IN the ARK 7 DAYS BEFORE THE RAIN Came. Gen 7-4
* Noah WAS RISEN UP ABOVE the Earth Gen 7:17
* Noah was RISEN UP (approx 25 FEET) ABOVE the Mountain tops. Gen 7:20
* Have a look for yourself...the Mountain tops are >>>>>>IN THE CLOUDS!!!!

Everyone LEFT ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH Was DESTROYED!

The Lord HAS PROMISED...the SAVED SHALL NOT SUFFER WRATH....
AS in the DAY of NOAH....SO SHALL the SAME BE FOR THE NEXT GREAT TRIBULATION...
THE SAVED RISEN UP TO THE CLOUDS.

DOESN'T matter IF YOU BELIEVE IT...
But it DOES MATTER IF YOU preach AGAINST Gods TRUTH.

The Tribulation IS NOT ONLY a TIME of WRATH UPON the Earth and Unsaved....
IT IS EXPRESSLY a TIME for God SAVING "HIS PEOPLE" ISRAEL!

 

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**** RAPTURE ****

Have you Heartfully Accepted ...
The Lords Forgiveness? Salvation? Quickening?

IF so You are henseforth NOT Subject to WRATH! 1 Thes 5:9

You DO NOT GO "THROUGH" the Tribulation...
You ARE Lifted Up OFF the Face of the Earth, to the Clouds, just as in Noah's day.

1 Thes 1:
[10] And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

WHAT? Jesus DID WHAT?
Deliver-ED the SAVED FROM (not through)....FROM the wrath to come.

Luke 21:
[35] For as a snare shall it (Tribulation) come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
[36] Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Cower, wail, be afraid, be ON earth, when the Son of man returns? Rev 1:7

Or be full of Joy and Praise STANDING WITH the Lord?

Glory to God,
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**** RAPTURE ****

Have you Heartfully Accepted ...
The Lords Forgiveness? Salvation? Quickening?

IF so You are henseforth NOT Subject to WRATH! 1 Thes 5:9

You DO NOT GO "THROUGH" the Tribulation...
You ARE Lifted Up OFF the Face of the Earth, to the Clouds, just as in Noah's day.

1 Thes 1:
[10] And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

WHAT? Jesus DID WHAT?
Deliver-ED the SAVED FROM (not through)....FROM the wrath to come.

Luke 21:
[35] For as a snare shall it (Tribulation) come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
[36] Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

Cower, wail, be afraid, be ON earth, when the Son of man returns? Rev 1:7

Or be full of Joy and Praise STANDING WITH the Lord?

Glory to God,
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Not one verse in scripture supports a pre-trib rapture of the church to heaven, not one

 

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You have MADE anti-Rapture CLAIMS.... without Suported Evidence.
Your Claim is Rejected.



While deflecting FROM the Rapture, TO the TWO WITNESSES...you have further MADE CLAIMS about the TWO WITNESSES, that are NOT supported by Scripture.
The TWO Witnesses ARE KILLED, LIFE returned to them, RISEN UP to Heaven...
BEFORE the LAST SEVEN Plagues UPON the Earth, which IS the WRATH OF GOD!



You do not LISTEN.
You do not VERIFY the TRUTH IN Scripture.
The SAVED...are SAVED through Receiving Salvation.
The SAVED...ARE Protected FROM the WrATH UPON the EARTH....BY BEING RISEN UP ABOVE THE FACE OF THE EARTH!
1) The WITNESSES...are HEBREWS
2) The 144,000...are TRIBES.
THEY ARE Faithful Servants OF GOD, SENT by God, TO EARTH....FOR Gods People, ISRAEL!

Ya think NOAH WAS SAVED, ...FROM THE FIRST GREAT TRIBULATION....BY REMAINING ON THE EARTH....and GOING "through" the FLOOD? Pfff!!!

No, No, No, he wasn't....TOLD YOU TO READ for yourself....
* Noah was IN the ARK 7 DAYS BEFORE THE RAIN Came. Gen 7-4
* Noah WAS RISEN UP ABOVE the Earth Gen 7:17
* Noah was RISEN UP (approx 25 FEET) ABOVE the Mountain tops. Gen 7:20
* Have a look for yourself...the Mountain tops are >>>>>>IN THE CLOUDS!!!!

Everyone LEFT ON THE FACE OF THE EARTH Was DESTROYED!

The Lord HAS PROMISED...the SAVED SHALL NOT SUFFER WRATH....
AS in the DAY of NOAH....SO SHALL the SAME BE FOR THE NEXT GREAT TRIBULATION...
THE SAVED RISEN UP TO THE CLOUDS.

DOESN'T matter IF YOU BELIEVE IT...
But it DOES MATTER IF YOU preach AGAINST Gods TRUTH.

The Tribulation IS NOT ONLY a TIME of WRATH UPON the Earth and Unsaved....
IT IS EXPRESSLY a TIME for God SAVING "HIS PEOPLE" ISRAEL!

Because no evidence of a pre-trib rapture is found in scripture, none

You will note you haven't supported your claim with scripture, because it dosent exist

The Church will be present on earth to witness the great tribulation, and second coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens, just as Luke 21:25-28 "Clearly" teaches below, there will be no (Pre-Trib Rapture) as dispensationalism falsely teaches, dont be deceived

Luke 21:25-28KJV
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

 

[Curtis]

More foolish and hate-filled propaganda. The Lord Jesus Christ Himself established the doctrine of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture in John 14:1-3 which is also connected to 1 John 3:1-3. If others "discovered" it later, that is to their credit. But to call it a "fabrication of man" is to tread on thin ice. It is God who has given His saints "the Blessed Hope" of the Rapture.

Pre tribbers teach that that rapture doesn’t count as the coming of Jesus because He doesn’t actually come to the earth, but does a U turn in the air and returns to heaven.

What shoots that theory down in flames, is Paul stating that it’s at His coming that we are gathered together to be with Him - so there isn’t a pre trib gathering at His non-coming-to -earth U turn in the sky, but instead occurs at the second coming of Jesus:

2Th 2:1 Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we ask you, brothers,

Maranatha

 

[Curtis]

Because no evidence of a pre-trib rapture is found in scripture, none

You will note you haven't supported your claim with scripture, because it dosent exist

The Church will be present on earth to witness the great tribulation, and second coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens, just as Luke 21:25-28 "Clearly" teaches below, there will be no (Pre-Trib Rapture) as dispensationalism falsely teaches, dont be deceived

Luke 21:25-28KJV
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

Luke 21 is a parrellel account with Matthew 24.

In Luke 21 there is the abomination of desolation, (mid trib event) in verses 20-21, the day of the lord in verses 25-26, and the rapture in verse 27.

A mid trib, pre wrath, premillennial rapture.

AOD:
Luk 21:20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near.

Luk 21:21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, and let those who are inside the city depart, and let not those who are out in the country enter it,

DOL:
Luk 21:25 “And there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth distress of nations in perplexity because of the roaring of the sea and the waves,

Luk 21:26 people fainting with fear and with foreboding of what is coming on the world. For the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

Rapture:
Luk 21:27 And then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.


Maranatha

 

[Truth7t7]

Luke 21 is a parrellel account with Matthew 24.

In Luke 21 there is the abomination of desolation, (mid trib event) in verses 20-21, the day of the lord in verses 25-26, and the rapture in verse 27.

A mid trib, pre wrath, premillennial rapture.

AOD:
Luk 21:20 “But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near.

Luk 21:21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, and let those who are inside the city depart, and let not those who are out in the country enter it,

DOL:
Luk 21:25 “And there will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth distress of nations in perplexity because of the roaring of the sea and the waves,

Luk 21:26 people fainting with fear and with foreboding of what is coming on the world. For the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

Rapture:
Luk 21:27 And then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.


Maranatha

The second coming, last day resurrection, immediately after the tribulation

Matthew 24:29-31KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[Curtis]

The second coming, last day resurrection,immediately after the tribulation

Matthew 24:29-31KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

No, the key there is the fact that there is general tribulation for 3.5 years, then great tribulation for 3.5 years, and Jesus uses both terms in Matthew 24.

Jesus says, after THE tribulation of those days, the day of the Lord and rapture will occur- confirming that the rapture is after the first half of the tribulation.

Then, Jesus says that after the mid trib event of the abomination of desolation in verse 15 occurs, there shall be GREAT TRIBULATION, confirming that the last half, called great tribulation, occurs after the AOD event.

 

[Taken]

Not one verse in scripture supports a pre-trib rapture of the church to heaven, not one

True, not ONE VERSE, but rather numerous Verses.

 

[Curtis]

True, not ONE VERSE, but rather numerous Verses.

All the pretrib proof texts are out of context.