It is not in the bible.....sola scripture

[bbyrd009]

Then according to you there is no way of knowing black from white. All we have are personal and fallible opinions.

God, if only everyone understood this, huh?

 

[bbyrd009]

why do all those men who all claim to have The Truth disagree with each other???

obv bc they are all liars, right

Why is your truth different than my truth since we both have access to Him?

bc he has claimed Christ as truth, and made no other claims

 

[bbyrd009]

Your theory is not a workable theory.

hmm, you sound pretty sure...lol

I believe what scripture says (1 Timothy 3:15).

ha, stop, you do not either lol

I ask you AGAIN: Who decides absolute truth?

It appears your answer (post #1398) is that no one knows the truth....but I don't want to put words in your mouth

so, reading your post over, i get
Lots of ppl claim to know truth, but they obviously do not
you however, do ("your theory is not workable"; and etc)
i mean, i'm not meaning to be mean, but what do you even mean?

 

[bbyrd009]

But not on their own.

yes, all on their own, despite the appearances to the contrary. You do not accept what does not seem right to you, for any longer than a day or so maybe

 

[bbyrd009]

Hi,

If all men (and us women of course) are fallible then how did we get infallible scripture?

Mary

bc no absolute truths are forwarded in Scripture other than Christ, either

 

[amadeus]

Without the Scriptures, we would not know black from white.

What did the early prophets read when they did not have a written Book? What was it that some of them wrote, which we now name as scripture?

 

[amadeus]

amadeus,

I find these to be unhelpful statements as you give not one example of the OT types and shadows and the NT types and shadows.

I would find it advantageous for you to illustrate to what you refer.

Oz

Sorry! I guess it is because I am not responding to a specific real problem. Hypothetically I could perhaps make a response, but if it is only me talking rather than God talking through me how likely am I to be right? God is never wrong.

 

[amadeus]

Maybe she was a believer.

I believe that you really believe that. I certainly do not.

 

[tabletalk]

I believe that you really believe that. I certainly do not.

I spoke too soon. Sorry. You were providing some good teaching and I was being foolish.
(but, at least you got me to read Hosea again!)

 

[amadeus]

I spoke too soon. Sorry. You were providing some good teaching and I was being foolish.
(but, at least you got me to read Hosea again!)

Give God alone the glory my friend. Sometimes it takes a second touch from the Master for our eyes to open wide and see what He is showing us.

 

[OzSpen]

What did the early prophets read when they did not have a written Book? What was it that some of them wrote, which we now name as scripture?

How do you know that the prophets did not have written Scripture to which they could refer? Where's your evidence?

 

[OzSpen]

Sorry! I guess it is because I am not responding to a specific real problem. Hypothetically I could perhaps make a response, but if it is only me talking rather than God talking through me how likely am I to be right? God is never wrong.

Again, your avoiding what I asked. Why do you do this?

 

[amadeus]

How do you know that the prophets did not have written Scripture to which they could refer? Where's your evidence?

Must I always have physical evidence? Is not the evidence God put in me enough for me?

Did I ever tell you about the man I met who spoke only Spanish and was illiterate in that language, yet he stood up and gave a great testimony with regard to the God he served? [I speak and understand Spanish.]

"Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed." John 20:29

 

[amadeus]

Again, your avoiding what I asked. Why do you do this?

Would you believe that I am listening for and striving to follow the lead of the Master's voice? Are we not His sheep?

"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:" John 10:27

 

[Marymog]

None of the ones included in those listed in the yellow pages in any city. Rather the community of believers consisting of the ones so elected by God. How could I a mere human be more specific than that?

Hi Amadeus,

"A community of believers consisting of the ones so elected by God" could be ANY church "listed in the yellow pages in any city". The Catholics, Baptist, Methodist, Joes Christian Church on main street in any town USA and 5 people meeting in my basement fits your non-specific definition.

Since any Church could be the community of believers elected by God how would we recognize that Church?

Who decides who is a member of this community of believers that is elected by God? Are you a member of that community? How will we know this community when we see it?

Thank you for your time.

IHS...Mary

 

[Marymog]

The evidence, if there is evidence, is in the heart of the person who received it. Probably not admissible in any court of men, but that is the way that it is.

Hi,

So the "evidence" that God has spoken truth to us is in the heart of the person who received it? If my heart tells me I received The Truth from God and that you are wrong.....does that automatically make you wrong since I know it from my heart?

How do we determine who has received the truth from God? Since so many men say so many different things about God/scripture and all these different things/beliefs have divided Christianity; how do we determine which man received the truth from God? Who decides?

If a court of men, lets say you and your four closest Christian friends whom you believe are part of the community of believers chosen by God, all agree that abortion is murder and I disagree with you then according to your theory I could be right. According to your theory I could be right since in my heart I know that God told me I am right. :)

Mary

 

[Marymog]

bc your circumstances are not his circumstances; your culture is likely even different, etc.

Relativism is not compatible with the truth of scripture.

Relativism leads to the theory that, “It is absolutely true there is no absolute truth. Truth is based on my circumstances, experiences and culture."

IHS...Mary

 

[Marymog]

first you must find an absolute truth, imo this seems rather self-evident, yes? And when you cannot, what will you do then? Denial is quite pop there, but will you be any closer to knowing what you want?

How can God be free to define Absolute Truth, if you insist upon a definition first?

Scripture is the Absolute Truth. Scripture was given to us via man. God has allowed man, via The Church, to reveal that absolute truth. What man binds on earth is bound in HEAVEN.

Are you suggesting God gave us absolute truth (scripture) but is not allowing us to know that truth for thousands of years? He's playing a joke on us?

IHS...Mary

 

[Marymog]

People.

When you say people I assume you are speaking of the men who wrote scripture.

Since God "breathed" the truth (scripture) to these men is it not possible that he has revealed the truth of that scripture to us?

Or did God say....here's the truth (scripture), now figure it out...... And BTW when you do figure it out I won't let you know....I'm gonna keep you guessing for thousands of years if you figured it out. You will never know what the truth is.....


Mary

 

[amadeus]

Hi Amadeus,

"A community of believers consisting of the ones so elected by God" could be ANY church "listed in the yellow pages in any city". The Catholics, Baptist, Methodist, Joes Christian Church on main street in any town USA and 5 people meeting in my basement fits your non-specific definition.

Since any Church could be the community of believers elected by God how would we recognize that Church?

By the Spirit of God in us. Are we not His sheep? Do we not recognize His voice? Do not obey His voice?

Who decides who is a member of this community of believers that is elected by God?

Who else but God? Man will often speak his peace but every man that I have known including yours truly has at times spoke out of turn.

Are you a member of that community?

I am when I am paying attention and I am obedient.

How will we know this community when we see it?

By the Spirit of God in us. That is where we get the "eyes to see" and the "ears to hear".