It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial
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Revelation 19:7-10 tells us, “Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints. And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God. And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”
What is the marriage of the Lamb?
Firstly, let us start by stating the obvious: in a biblical marriage there is a bride and a groom. The symbolic Lamb in this passage is the bridegroom of which the bride is making herself ready.
Who is the lamb?
Speaking of Christ in John 1:29, John the Baptist announces: “Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.”
The Lamb is found in Rev 5:6: “And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.”
References to Christ the Lamb are found throughout Revelation in 5:6, 8, 12, 13, 6:1, 16, 7:9, 10, 14, 17, 12:11, 14:1, 4, 10, 15:3,17:14 (X2), 19:7, 9, 21:14, 22, 23 and 22:1.
Jesus Christ is the bridegroom.
Jesus refers to Himself as the “bridegroom” in Matthew 9:15. He speaks about His removal from this earth for a time: saying, “the bridegroom shall be taken from them.” But that is not the end of the story, He reassures His people in John 14:2-3, “I go to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.”
The bridegroom (the symbolic Lamb) that goes will return for His bride someday soon.
Mat 9:15 And Jesus said unto them, Can the children of the bridechamber mourn, as long as the bridegroom is with them? but the days will come, when the bridegroom shall be taken from them, and then shall they fast.
Joh 3:29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
The feast
Rev 19:9 And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God.
I see only one supper. It is not the supper of the saints as some seem to suggest, it is the supper of the lamb. This is symbolic language for the final justice of the Lamb when the wicked are finally and eternally devoured. The new earth that is ushered in is then free of the curse of corruption. Corruption cannot indeed inherit incorruption – therefore no vestige of the fall can enter the new arrangement.
After the vision of the “marriage supper” John falls before the throne of Christ. John was totally overwhelmed by the revelation of this final union. The wedding therefore is the consummating of the union between bridegroom and the bride or the catching away of the saints. The supper described is written in symbolic language to show the destruction that befalls the wicked that are left behind.
Matthew 26:27-29 tells us what happens straight after the great climactic coming of Christ at the consummation: “And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.”
At the end of a Jewish wedding the groom takes a plain gold ring and places it on the finger of the bride, and states: "Behold you are sanctified (betrothed) to me with this ring, according to the Law of Moses and Israel." This is immediately followed by the sheva brachos, or seven blessings. These blessings are recited over a full cup of wine. The couple then share in drinking the cup of wine, and the groom breaks a glass by stamping on it.
Jesus equally informed His disciples that He would not share in the cup of wine with them again until the arrival of His kingdom. If we take the Jewish wedding as an example, this precludes any marriage in heaven during the tribulation.
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Since you like to copy and paste, I'm going to do the same, except I'm going to do it with something I actually wrote: The Galilean wedding is the model for the pre-trib rapture
I look forward to your copy and paste response.
It's called avoidance! It's near impossible to get pretribbers to address what we write.
Ribera formulated the futurism to which pretribbers subscribe. Do you disagree?
More avoidance. This is Pretribs MO. The next step is ad hominem, then running.
Eaxctly! You cannot answer honestly because it would demolish Pretrib. Just admit Pretrib is dead and its disciples are on the run.
- How many wicked survived in Noah's day?
- How many wicked survived in Sodom?
Op Note
No Pretribber can address or rebut the Op. because there is no biblical basis for the theory. What is more, the Posttrib argument is water-tight.
CrowCross has also run yesterday from some simple but strong Posttrib arguments here that refute his Pretrib theology. All he could do is run and hide. It is fun to watch Pretribbers fall over themselves to sidestep all the holes in what they have been taught and rush for the exit. Their ship is sinking. Pretrib is dead. This avoidance is testimony to it.
Thankfully the doctrine is crumbling today. It has been totally exposed online. Many churches have abandoned it.
No Pretribber can address or rebut the Op. because there is no biblical basis for the theory. What is more, the Posttrib argument is water-tight.
CrowCross has also run yesterday from some simple but strong Posttrib arguments here that refute his Pretrib theology. All he could do is run and hide. It is fun to watch Pretribbers fall over themselves to sidestep all the holes in what they have been taught and rush for the exit. Their ship is sinking. Pretrib is dead. This avoidance is testimony to it.
Thankfully the doctrine is crumbling today. It has been totally exposed online. Many churches have abandoned it.
