It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

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WPM

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Satan has Not Always had Authority to exhibit his Wrath upon People.

Satan has had Power to influence, to trick, people against God.

Satan WILL have a small amount of time During the Trib. To Be Wrathful Against “inhabitants” OF the Earth.

Any People on Earth who have Become “Saved” / “Righteous”… ARE Bodily Dead!


Says he that umpteen times has claimed 3 comings!
Not true. We are in the trib since the cross.
 

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You are making comparisons between Noah's day and the day that Jesus comes that Jesus Himself didn't make, in order to support Pretrib.
So? Gods own Word paralleled and compared the two.
Firstly, God did not shut Noah and his family up in safety in the ark for 7 days as you argue.
No argument… Just a fact.
God gave Noah 7 days’ notice – allowing him to fill the ark with his family and the animals, saying, "For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth" (Genesis 7:4).

Gen.7​

[1] And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.



[4] For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

[5] And Noah did according unto all that the LORD commanded him.


[10] And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.



[13] In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;
[14] They, and every beast
after his kind, and all the cattle
Moses got 7 days notice before the rain came. In that time, he was directed to gather the animals into the ark two by two of all flesh, male and female (Genesis 6:19).

All entered the Same Day…
Noah did all he was commanded…
You are quoting parts of the things Noah was commanded to do…
It is for the readers incite to Know what Noah was commanded to do that Day.
He was also instructed to gather food for his family and the animals (Genesis 6:20). That gathering took one week. These 7 days would have given Noah and his family sufficient time to board all these animals unto the ark and gather sufficient food. When that was complete, God closed the door of the ark and the flood immediately came and destroyed all the wicked. Jesus confirms, the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all” (Luke 17:27).
Those are other things Noah was to do.
You make Jesus out to be a liar.

You make yourself out to be without understanding….and falsely Accuse…
But that is nothing new.
 

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So? Gods own Word paralleled and compared the two.

No argument… Just a fact.

Gen.7​

[1] And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.



[4] For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

[5] And Noah did according unto all that the LORD commanded him.


[10] And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.



[13] In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;
[14] They, and every beast
after his kind, and all the cattle


All entered the Same Day…
Noah did all he was commanded…
You are quoting parts of the things Noah was commanded to do…
It is for the readers incite to Know what Noah was commanded to do that Day.

Those are other things Noah was to do.


You make yourself out to be without understanding….and falsely Accuse…
But that is nothing new.
Jesus refutes you! You refuse to take His words seriously and literally.
 

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So? Gods own Word paralleled and compared the two.

No argument… Just a fact.

Gen.7​

[1] And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.



[4] For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

[5] And Noah did according unto all that the LORD commanded him.


[10] And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.



[13] In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;
[14] They, and every beast
after his kind, and all the cattle


All entered the Same Day…
Noah did all he was commanded…
You are quoting parts of the things Noah was commanded to do…
It is for the readers incite to Know what Noah was commanded to do that Day.

Those are other things Noah was to do.


You make yourself out to be without understanding….and falsely Accuse…
But that is nothing new.

Not so! Read what it says, not what you have been taught:

Genesis 7:11-13: "the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights. In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark."

Not only are you foisting something upon the text in Genesis that it does not say, you refuse to acknowledge the words of Jesus Christ on this matter that reinforce what happened. Do you realize that the NT is the fuller revelation? Do you not see that Christ had a full knowledge of what occurred? You have been stepping around His words throughout the course of this thread.

What is more, what has 7 days in Noah's day to do with 7 years in your so-called future tribulation? Do you think Noah's world went through a 7-day great tribulation before the flood came?

Whatever angle you look at it, your reasoning doesn't add up here. You're going to have to come clean. You're going to have to put your cards on the table. What are you trying to say? Why will you not address the explicit and irrefutable words of Jesus on this subject.
 
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