It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

[WPM]

No.
Satan has Not Always had Authority to exhibit his Wrath upon People.

Satan has had Power to influence, to trick, people against God.

Satan WILL have a small amount of time During the Trib. To Be Wrathful Against “inhabitants” OF the Earth.

Any People on Earth who have Become “Saved” / “Righteous”… ARE Bodily Dead!


Says he that umpteen times has claimed 3 comings!

Not true. We are in the trib since the cross.

 

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You are making comparisons between Noah's day and the day that Jesus comes that Jesus Himself didn't make, in order to support Pretrib.

So? Gods own Word paralleled and compared the two.

Firstly, God did not shut Noah and his family up in safety in the ark for 7 days as you argue.

No argument… Just a fact.

God gave Noah 7 days’ notice – allowing him to fill the ark with his family and the animals, saying, "For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth" (Genesis 7:4).

Gen.7​

[1] And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.



[4] For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

[5] And Noah did according unto all that the LORD commanded him.


[10] And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.



[13] In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;
[14] They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle

Moses got 7 days notice before the rain came. In that time, he was directed to gather the animals into the ark two by two of all flesh, male and female (Genesis 6:19).

All entered the Same Day…
Noah did all he was commanded…
You are quoting parts of the things Noah was commanded to do…
It is for the readers incite to Know what Noah was commanded to do that Day.

He was also instructed to gather food for his family and the animals (Genesis 6:20). That gathering took one week. These 7 days would have given Noah and his family sufficient time to board all these animals unto the ark and gather sufficient food. When that was complete, God closed the door of the ark and the flood immediately came and destroyed all the wicked. Jesus confirms, “the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all” (Luke 17:27).

Those are other things Noah was to do.

You make Jesus out to be a liar.

You make yourself out to be without understanding….and falsely Accuse…
But that is nothing new.

 

[WPM]

So? Gods own Word paralleled and compared the two.

No argument… Just a fact.

Gen.7​

[1] And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.



[4] For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

[5] And Noah did according unto all that the LORD commanded him.


[10] And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.



[13] In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;
[14] They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle


All entered the Same Day…
Noah did all he was commanded…
You are quoting parts of the things Noah was commanded to do…
It is for the readers incite to Know what Noah was commanded to do that Day.

Those are other things Noah was to do.


You make yourself out to be without understanding….and falsely Accuse…
But that is nothing new.

Jesus refutes you! You refuse to take His words seriously and literally.

 

[WPM]

So? Gods own Word paralleled and compared the two.

No argument… Just a fact.

Gen.7​

[1] And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.



[4] For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth.

[5] And Noah did according unto all that the LORD commanded him.


[10] And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth.



[13] In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;
[14] They, and every beast after his kind, and all the cattle


All entered the Same Day…
Noah did all he was commanded…
You are quoting parts of the things Noah was commanded to do…
It is for the readers incite to Know what Noah was commanded to do that Day.

Those are other things Noah was to do.


You make yourself out to be without understanding….and falsely Accuse…
But that is nothing new.

Not so! Read what it says, not what you have been taught:

Genesis 7:10-13: "And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth. In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights. In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark."

Not only are you foisting something upon the text in Genesis that it does not say, you refuse to acknowledge the words of Jesus Christ on this matter that reinforce what happened. Do you realize that the NT is the fuller revelation? Do you not see that Christ had a full knowledge of what occurred? You have been stepping around His words throughout the course of this thread.

What is more, what has 7 days in Noah's day to do with 7 years in your so-called future tribulation? Do you think Noah's world went through a 7-day great tribulation before the flood came?

Whatever angle you look at it, your reasoning doesn't add up here. You're going to have to come clean. You're going to have to put your cards on the table. What are you trying to say? Why will you not address the explicit and irrefutable words of Jesus on this subject.

 

[WPM]

I would say no.

You are wrong again. You present false teaching.

The Bible teaches that the wrath of God is currently and solely upon the wicked (and all wickedness). It is never upon the righteous. The final wrath will come when Jesus comes and will eliminate the wicked.

Nahum 1:2 says, “God is jealous, and the LORD revengeth; the LORD revengeth, and is furious; the LORD will take vengeance on his adversaries, and he reserveth wrath for his enemies.”

John the Baptist said in John 3:36, “He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.”

Colossians 3:6 says, “the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience.”

Ephesians 5:6 says, “Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.”

As Paul says in Romans 1:18, “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness.”

 

[Taken]

Not true. We are in the trib since the cross.

 

[Taken]

Jesus refutes you! You refuse to take His words seriously and literally.

 

[Taken]

You are wrong again. You present false teaching.

 

[WPM]

Stop avoiding the evidence above!

 

[Taken]

…you refuse to acknowledge the words of Jesus Christ …

False.

What is more, what has 7 days in Noah's day to do with 7 years in your so-called future tribulation?

“Seven” Scripturally, Repeatedly, Hundreds of times reveals an intended completion.

You're going to have to put your cards on the table.

Already have.

What are you trying to say?

I agree with the Lord Gods Word AND Understanding.

I disagree with your words and understanding.

 

[WPM]

False.

“Seven” Scripturally, Repeatedly, Hundreds of times reveals an intended completion.


Already have.

I agree with the Lord Gods Word AND Understanding.

I disagree with your words and understanding.

More avoidance!

Genesis 7:10-13: "And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth. In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights. In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark."

Not only are you foisting something upon the text in Genesis that it does not say, you refuse to acknowledge the words of Jesus Christ on this matter that reinforce what happened. Do you realize that the NT is the fuller revelation? Do you not see that Christ had a full knowledge of what occurred? You have been stepping around His words throughout the course of this thread.

What is more, what has 7 days in Noah's day to do with 7 years in your so-called future tribulation? Do you think Noah's world went through a 7-day great tribulation before the flood came?

Whatever angle you look at it, your reasoning doesn't add up here.

 

[CrowCross]

Yes. The wrath of Satan is upon the righteous during the tribulation, as it has always been, albeit, there will be an intensification of it near the end. The wrath of God is poured out upon the wicked at the one and only future coming of the Lord Jesus Christ.

If that's what you need to believe...have at it.

When the pre-trib rapture happens will you be disappointed?

 

[WPM]

If that's what you need to believe...have at it.

When the pre-trib rapture happens will you be disappointed?

Lol. You stubbornly hold to a man-made theory that you are incapable of biblically proving. This thread has exposed your theology. Not one of you can show it in Scripture. You are so blinded by it you cannot see or refute the truth. Pretrib is a lie from Satan.

 

[Taken]

Stop avoiding the evidence above!

No avoidance.
Plenty of disagreement with you.

No secret.

God Warned…
God Revealed Consequences…FOR
Obedience and Disobedience.

God ONCE …
Delivered 8 From Gods INTENT TO Deliver His Great Tribulations AND Wrath upon the inhabitants of the World.

God ONCE…
Delivered His Great Tribulations and His Wrath Upon the Earth and its inhabitants.

God ONCE…
Sent His Lord Jesus TO Earth:
To Warn…
To Reveal Consequences For Obedience and Disobedience.
TO OFFER Deliverance and Salvation FROM “ANOTHER” God INTENDED Great Tribulations and Wrath From Heaven UPON the Earth and its inhabitants.

Christ the Lord SHALL, Deliver Millions He Saved, FROM Gods Next INTENDED Great Tribulations and Wrath From Heaven UPON the Earth and its inhabitants.

AFTER Christ’s Saved are Securely Delivered, UP OFF the Earth…

^^^^^^^
Expressly noted…Your repeated Denial and Rejection of Christs Deliverance

Gods Second Great Tribulations and Wrath From Heaven UPON the Earth …
SHALL Commence….

AND from “THEN Forward”…
TO the END of Mortal human Life…

God SHALL Save and Damn …AS Always —->According TO The Beliefs OF the Hearts of men.

THEN Judgements —-> According TO Gods Record BookS of EVIDENCE

AFTER…Judgement OF ALL Saved and ALL Damned…
AND … Sentencing OF ALL…

THEN Shall MORTALITY Cease…
THEN Shall Wickedness and Evil Cease…
THEN Shall a New Heaven / New Earth Be Gods ONE Kingdom….
With ONLY Holy and Righteous inhabitants.

 

[Taken]

Lol. You stubbornly hold to a man-made theory that you are incapable of biblically proving. This thread has exposed your theology. Not one of you can show it in Scripture. You are so blinded by it you cannot see or refute the truth.

The Knowledge IS Scriptural.
The Knowledge has Repeatedly been told you, shown you…
You simply are Not Equipped with the Ability to Understand beyond your Carnal Mind.

Pretrib is a lie from Satan.

No where does Satan Teach Salvation by Christ or Christ Delivering His Saved From Tribulations and Wrath From Heaven.

The Lie Against Christs Deliverance of His Saved…
Is your gig.

 

[Taken]

Lol. You stubbornly hold to a man-made theory that you are incapable of biblically proving. This thread has exposed your theology. Not one of you can show it in Scripture. You are so blinded by it you cannot see or refute the truth. Pretrib is a lie from Satan.

While you WAIT for the Son JESUS to Come and Deliver you from the End of Days Tribulations and Wrath…

The Already Delivered From the Wrath to Come…are simply waiting for the Son Christ the Lord Jesus.

1 Thes 1:
[10] And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[WPM]

While you WAIT for the Son JESUS to Come and Deliver you from the End of Days Tribulations and Wrath…

The Already Delivered From the Wrath to Come…are simply waiting for the Son Christ the Lord Jesus.

1 Thes 1:
[10] And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

Glory to God,
Taken

The day of the Lord sees the day of destruction for the wicked. We are delivered/rescued before God pours out His wrath. You refuse to acknowledge this repeated reality.

You need to address multiple avoided posts above.

 

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The day of the Lord sees the day of destruction for the wicked. We are delivered/rescued before God pours out His wrath.

“We” ? No. “You and I” are not “We”.

You refuse to acknowledge this repeated reality.

False.

I have been explicit-ED…

God SAVES.
Christ SAVES.


Gods Salvation AND Christs Salvation;
Have Different Methods…
Has Different Timing…
Applies TO Different People…


For Some…
-A-
Sav-ED is Spiritually Accomplish-ED
Deliver-ED is Spiritually Accomplish-ED


For Others…
-B-
They HOPE Salvation and Deliverance Will Occur / Manifest For Them.

For Others
-C-
They have No…Salvation,
They have No…Deliverence,
They have No…Hope of Salvation or Deliverance.

I am in category …A
You appear to be in category …B

 

[Taken]

The day of the Lord sees the day of destruction for the wicked.

The day of the Lord…has multiple facets occurring DURING the Tribulations and Wrath sent down From Heaven upon the Earth and its Inhabitants.

We are delivered/rescued before God pours out His wrath.

Not “WE”! Possibly You… Not “me”

You refuse to acknowledge this repeated reality.

False. I acknowledge AND understand.

You need to address multiple avoided posts above.

Already addressed… Disagree with you.

 

[CrowCross]

Pretrib is a lie from Satan.

Why would Satan lie about such a marvelous event that happens for christians?
I would think Satan would be pissed when Jesus comes back for His bride. Then again when the restrainer is removed at the rapture (2 Thes 2)...he is free to roam.