What about your ad hominem? You refuse to deal with the biblical issues.Forget it.
Just walk away.
This thread is sinful.
It is prideful and contentious.
It is a reproach on the name of Christ whom ALL YA'LL claim to serve.
Pre, mid or post...all ya'll have degraded into contentious bickering.
Shame.
Stop it please. For the sake of our Savior.