there are new covenant sacraments, sacrifice, and fasts and feasts that replaced the Jewish practices
Christ replaced David as king
Mary replaced the ark
The church replaced Israel
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It's all about Matthew 7:23
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there are new covenant sacraments, sacrifice, and fasts and feasts that replaced the Jewish practices
Christ replaced David as king
Mary replaced the ark
The church replaced Israel
scripture upon request
Replacing the appointed times of YHVH was strictly prohibited 1,000 years before Jesus was born.
Your guys don't know anything about the Law, so they renamed pagan rituals and feasts.
One way to identify the antichrist is he "changes times and laws." Congratulations!
Now we have no doubt.
I don't know what relevance there is regarding the changing of YHVH's times and laws.
Jesus went to a wedding, performed a miracle that rebuffed the traditions of the Pharisees, then went to Jerusalem for Passover.
You are not responding to me.
You are posting canned responses.
"Paul continued to observe them. He told others to continue observing them." You are not refuting this fact, or challenging it, or challenging anything else I am saying. You are merely moving on to the next packet of scripted lines.
Here's the error in your logic:
Anyone who looks to the Son and believes Him would obey the Torah. THAT is what Jesus taught. It may be the will of the Father that everyone look to the Son and believe. But, if they obey neither, then neither was ever that person's Master. They all know who Jesus is, they all call on His Name, they all build worldwide ministries on the basis of that Name and they convince themselves they are doing the right thing because it is what they inherited.
The specific language of verse 23 is that they do not obey the Law. That fact cannot be denied. So, you can extrapolate all you want. Even the KJV got "workers of iniquity" pretty close to right. One has to know that "iniquity" = "sin." It is the failure to do what the Law says, and nothing else in this verse, that is the reason Jesus does not know these people.
If the judgment is based on what a person thinks, no one can see it. It is what we DO. We are judged by what we DO, not by what we think.
If our worship is muddled with the pollution of idols, Jesus does not know us.
the appointed hour had not come!
If anyone else ask it would not have been done!
gen 1 & 2 are reflected in Jn 1 & 2 the new Adam and eve
maybe for a time but it’s over now
heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
you can’t practice two covenants
only one is in effect now!
Pope Eugene IV, Council of Florence, Cantate Domino, 1441: “The Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and teaches that the matter pertaining to the law of the Old Testament, of the Mosaic Law, which are divided into ceremonies, sacred rites, sacrifices, and sacraments, because they were established to signify something in the future, although they were suited to divine worship at that time, after our Lord’s coming had been signified by them, ceased, and the sacraments of the New Testament began; and that whoever, even after the passion, placed hope in these matters of the law and submitted himself to them as necessary for salvation, as if faith in Christ could not save without them, sinned mortally. Yet it does not deny that after the passion of Christ up to the promulgation of the Gospel they could have been observed until they were believed to be in no way necessary for salvation; but after the promulgation of the Gospel it asserts that they cannot be observed without the loss of eternal salvation. All, therefore, who after that time (the promulgation of the Gospel) observe circumcision and the Sabbath and the other requirements of the law, it declares alien to the Christian faith and not in the least fit to participate in eternal salvation, unless someday they recover from these errors.”
Pope Benedict XIV in Ex Quo:
"The first consideration is that the ceremonies of the Mosaic Law *were abrogated* by the coming of Christ and that they can no longer be observed without sin after the promulgation of the Gospel. "
Pope Pius XII in Mystici Corporis:
"29. And first of all, by the death of our Redeemer, the New Testament took the place of the Old Law which had been abolished; then the Law of Christ together with its mysteries, enactments, institutions, and sacred rites was ratified for the whole world in the blood of Jesus Christ. For, while our Divine Savior was preaching in a restricted area - He was not sent but to the sheep that were lost of the House of Israel [30] - the Law and the Gospel were together in force; [31] but on the gibbet of His death Jesus made void the Law with its decrees [32] fastened the handwriting of the Old Testament to the Cross, [33] establishing the New Testament in His blood shed for the whole human race.[34] "To such an extent, then," says St. Leo the Great, speaking of the Cross of our Lord, "*was there effected a transfer from the Law to the Gospel, from the Synagogue to the Church, from the many sacrifices to one Victim, that, as Our Lord expired, that mystical veil which shut off the innermost part of the temple and its sacred secret was rent violently from top to bottom.*" [35]
30. *On the Cross then the Old Law died, soon to be buried and to be a bearer of death*, [36] in order to give way to the New Testament of which Christ had chosen the Apostles as qualified ministers; [37] and although He had been constituted the Head of the whole human family in the womb of the Blessed Virgin, it is by the power of the Cross that our Savior exercises fully the office itself of Head of His Church. "
Pope Benedict XIV in Ex Quo:
"The first consideration is that the ceremonies of the Mosaic Law *were abrogated* by the coming of Christ and that they can no longer be observed without sin after the promulgation of the Gospel. "
Pope Pius XII in Mystici Corporis:
"29. And first of all, by the death of our Redeemer, the New Testament took the place of the Old Law which had been abolished; then the Law of Christ together with its mysteries, enactments, institutions, and sacred rites was ratified for the whole world in the blood of Jesus Christ. For, while our Divine Savior was preaching in a restricted area - He was not sent but to the sheep that were lost of the House of Israel [30] - the Law and the Gospel were together in force; [31] but on the gibbet of His death Jesus made void the Law with its decrees [32] fastened the handwriting of the Old Testament to the Cross, [33] establishing the New Testament in His blood shed for the whole human race.[34] "To such an extent, then," says St. Leo the Great, speaking of the Cross of our Lord, "*was there effected a transfer from the Law to the Gospel, from the Synagogue to the Church, from the many sacrifices to one Victim, that, as Our Lord expired, that mystical veil which shut off the innermost part of the temple and its sacred secret was rent violently from top to bottom.*" [35]
30. *On the Cross then the Old Law died, soon to be buried and to be a bearer of death*, [36] in order to give way to the New Testament of which Christ had chosen the Apostles as qualified ministers; [37] and although He had been constituted the Head of the whole human family in the womb of the Blessed Virgin, it is by the power of the Cross that our Savior exercises fully the office itself of Head of His Church. "
It's about faith without works. Faith without works is dead. Faith healers God heals thru them but they have no works of good and perhaps works of evil.
Whatever you have imagined, it has NOTHING to do with changing the times and laws of YHVH.
there is no beatitude that says “blessed are those with faith alone”
rev 2: I know thy works… not I know Thy “faith alone”!
Mary all powerful advocate!
Help of Christian’s!
Mary ever virgin, mother of God, is all powerful in her prayers!
Mary’s prayers are all powerful not cos she is God but because her son is God!
and on becoming man He (Jesus) obeyed his own commandments
you might check out the one that says “honor Thy father and mother”
“My hour has not come”
The time set by almighty God for the public ministry of Christ had not come, Jesus Christ still performed the miracle cos his mother interceded, thus a higher law, “honor thy father and mother” if ANYONE else asked it would NOT have been done!
John 2
and cos of her intercession the disciples believed in Him!
Jn 2:11
Hebrews 8:8 says this covenant is with the houses of Israel and Judah. There are NO Gentiles in the New Covenant.
If you are not a member of the house of Israel or Judah, you are not in the covenant.
Verse 10 says YHVH will put his laws on their hearts.
You hate YHVH's Law. You spend all day here saying you don't have to obey God's Law any more. You can make up your own laws. That is NOT YHVH's Law written on your heart.
That is delusion.
Not only is that nonsense on its face, it reinforces the fact that any phrase you don't understand can be turned, at will, into anything you want.
Jesus did not change the appointed times of YHVH. The appointed times are for all to read, hear and observe.
"Jesus' hour" has NOTHING to do with the appointed times of YHVH. This kind of sick twisting of Scripture is EXACTLY what Peter was talking about.
You are brainwashed by Rome.
Romans 2:29
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Ephesians 2:11-13
Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; (In the PAST, you were called Gentiles.)
12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: (At that time, you were strangers to Israel. You did NOT have a covenant of promise.)
13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. (Now you have been brought close to Israel.)
Verse 19
Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; (You have become fellow citizens with Israel.)
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You have no idea what the Bible is talking about, do you?
the Ten Commandments are part of the eternal moral law and are in effect, the jurisdictional law passed to Peter and the apostles the ceremonial law was fulfilled by Christ!
now we have the law of Christ
Christ replaced David as king lk 1:32-33
Mary replaced Bathsheba as queen Matt 1 rev 12:1
Mary is the ark of the new covenant scripture below
the church replaced Israel
The new covenant replaced the old Matt 21:43 Matt 16:18
the new covenant is for all men
lk 2:10-11
Jn 1:29
Jn3:16
All!
Ark of the New Covenant!
Mary, ever virgin, mother of God!
Ex 40:34 Then a cloud covered the tent of the congregation, and the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle.
Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
2 Sam 6:2 And David arose, and went with all the people that were with him from Baale of Judah, to bring up from thence the ark of God, whose name is called by the name of the Lord of hosts that dwelleth between the cherubims.
Lk 1:39 And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste, into a city of Juda;
2 Sam 6:3 And they set the ark of God upon a new cart, and brought it out of the house of Abinadab that was in Gibeah: and Uzzah and Ahio, the sons of Abinadab, drave the new cart.
4 And they brought it out of the house of Abinadab which was at Gibeah, accompanying the ark of God: and Ahio went before the ark.
5 And David and all the house of Israel played before the Lord on all manner of instruments made of fir wood, even on harps, and on psalteries, and on timbrels, and on cornets, and on cymbals.
2 Sam 6:16 And as the ark of the Lord came into the city of David, Michal Saul's daughter looked through a window, and saw king David leaping and dancing before the Lord;
Lk 1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:
2 Sam 6:9 And David was afraid of the Lord that day, and said, How shall the ark of the Lord come to me?
Lk 1:42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
2 Sam 6:11 And the ark of the Lord continued in the house of Obededom the Gittite three months: and the Lord blessed Obededom, and all his household.
Lk 1:56 And Mary abode with her about three months, and returned to her own house.
2 Sam 6:12 And it was told king David, saying, The Lord hath blessed the house of Obededom, and all that pertaineth unto him, because of the ark of God. So David went and brought up the ark of God from the house of Obededom into the city of David with gladness.
Lk 1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:
Lk 1: 67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying…
Mary, ever virgin, mother of God!
Ex 40:34 Then a cloud covered the tent of the congregation, and the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle.
Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
2 Sam 6:2 And David arose, and went with all the people that were with him from Baale of Judah, to bring up from thence the ark of God, whose name is called by the name of the Lord of hosts that dwelleth between the cherubims.
Lk 1:39 And Mary arose in those days, and went into the hill country with haste, into a city of Juda;
2 Sam 6:3 And they set the ark of God upon a new cart, and brought it out of the house of Abinadab that was in Gibeah: and Uzzah and Ahio, the sons of Abinadab, drave the new cart.
4 And they brought it out of the house of Abinadab which was at Gibeah, accompanying the ark of God: and Ahio went before the ark.
5 And David and all the house of Israel played before the Lord on all manner of instruments made of fir wood, even on harps, and on psalteries, and on timbrels, and on cornets, and on cymbals.
2 Sam 6:16 And as the ark of the Lord came into the city of David, Michal Saul's daughter looked through a window, and saw king David leaping and dancing before the Lord;
Lk 1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:
2 Sam 6:9 And David was afraid of the Lord that day, and said, How shall the ark of the Lord come to me?
Lk 1:42 And she spake out with a loud voice, and said, Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?
2 Sam 6:11 And the ark of the Lord continued in the house of Obededom the Gittite three months: and the Lord blessed Obededom, and all his household.
Lk 1:56 And Mary abode with her about three months, and returned to her own house.
2 Sam 6:12 And it was told king David, saying, The Lord hath blessed the house of Obededom, and all that pertaineth unto him, because of the ark of God. So David went and brought up the ark of God from the house of Obededom into the city of David with gladness.
Lk 1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:
Lk 1: 67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying…
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