It's for Mike Pence to Judge whether a Presidential Election Was Held at All

[Hidden In Him]

I assure you, I mean no harm. I learned the hard way not to believe everything I read on the internet. Because of this, I encourage everyone else to question what they're reading, do proper research, and make conclusions based on informed decisions.

None of us win by being right, we win by exchanging ideas, learning from them, and growing in Christ-like character development and wisdom.

Judging by your posts, your heart seems to be in a better place than several who have challenged the Right here in the past. And then again, the heart of several on the Right here has not been a beautiful thing either.

Anyway, thanks for the courtesy. It's appreciated.

 

[WaterSong]

Talk about prediction between then, September, and now?
Democrats just declared they’re going to rip off the 2020 election, even revealing HOW they’re going to do it
09/06/2020 /


U.S. Constitution - Fourteenth Amendment | Resources | Constitution Annotated | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
Fourteenth Amendment

Section 1
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Section 3
No Person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5
The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.


It ain't over folks. Keep praying.

 

[BarneyFife]

You believe in getting “both sides” even if one side is from a source that is shown to be very biased?

Isn't that exactly what "getting both sides" means?

 

[BarneyFife]

I've never understood evangelicalism's fascination with right-wing politics. Right-wing politicians aren't doing any more to rid the land of godlesssness than the left are. Almost entirely lip service from both sides. Gun rights is not a biblical issue. Perversion and abortion are. What is the right doing about it? nothing

 

[Enoch111]

Right-wing politicians aren't doing any more to rid the land of godlesssness than the left are.

The only saving grace is that they are not bound and determined to destroy the country as are the Leftists. Although their cowardice allows the Leftist evildoers to do their evil deeds daily.

Politicians are not the ones to get rid of godlessness. Their job is to uphold their oaths of office and defend the Constitution. And they have all betrayed their oaths. Which means that all of them should be locked up.

 

[Enoch111]

Come January 6th, we'll find out.

“You Have a Rendezvous with Destiny, Mr. Vice President” – On January 6th Vice President Pence Will Choose the Direction of the World for Years to Come – Like Thomas Jefferson Did Centuries Ago

 

[BarneyFife]

Politicians are not the ones to get rid of godlessness. Their job is to uphold their oaths of office and defend the Constitution.

Sounds pretty simple. Would that it were.

 

[April_Rose]

Talk about prediction between then, September, and now?
Democrats just declared they’re going to rip off the 2020 election, even revealing HOW they’re going to do it
09/06/2020 /


U.S. Constitution - Fourteenth Amendment | Resources | Constitution Annotated | Congress.gov | Library of Congress
Fourteenth Amendment

Section 1
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Section 2
Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

Section 3
No Person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

Section 4
The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

Section 5
The Congress shall have the power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.


It ain't over folks. Keep praying.

Not like it matters because most of the world doesn't seem to care about the US constitution anymore, but since I do and I have trouble with reading comprehension so can you please explain to me what all that means? Also, what if Mike Pence rejects the election results because there's a pretty good chance that he will which is exactly why I haven't lost all of my hope yet.

 

[WaterSong]

Not like it matters because most of the world doesn't seem to care about the US constitution anymore, but since I do and I have trouble with reading comprehension so can you please explain to me what all that means? Also, what if Mike Pence rejects the election results because there's a pretty good chance that he will which is exactly why I haven't lost all of my hope yet.

In short, the 14th amendment bold font is saying, if it can be proven members of Congress colluded in The Steal then they're guilty of insurrection.
The catch is, and people need to realize our forefathers played the CYA game even those 200+ years ago, if both houses, that's the Senate and the House, which make up Congress, vote by 2/3rds, to deny the claim of Sedition against said members, then it isn't technically Sedition and they aren't prosecuted to that end.

The article linked in my post is fascinating because it appears the Demoncrats were so self assured in their collusion against a free and fair election November 3rd 2020, that their conspiracy was in part made public without their caring. And come November 3rd and thereafter appears to have unfolded as planned.
Basically, the 14th amendment is telling us that if Congress won't police Treason, it is up to us. And why not? It is like expecting a pack of wolves to prosecute one of their members because they ate half the chickens in the coup when the rest of the pack only consumed a few.
Not gonna happen. Fed is fed. Wolves is wolves.

 

[BarneyFife]

Basically, the 14th amendment is telling us that if Congress won't police Treason, it is up to us.

And what would you suggest we do?

 

[BarneyFife]

Basically, the 14th amendment is telling us that if Congress won't police Treason, it is up to us.

And how do you figure?

 

[WaterSong]

And how do you figure?

I explained it in post #29 to April_Rose.

 

[Prayer Warrior]

Isn't that exactly what "getting both sides" means?

Not if a source is so biased that it’s not truthful/factual. This was my point, but I’m too tired to make much sense, so I’m bowing out of these political discussions. There’s a lot of speculating about what might happen. What good does it do to speculate? I feel my time is better spent praying. But y’all have fun, ya hear?

 

[WaterSong]

And what would you suggest we do?

That bridge isn't in sight yet. We still have till January 6th. Prayerfully, ever prayerfully, it shan't come into view at all.

Edit typo.

 

[BarneyFife]

I explained it in post #29 to April_Rose.

No, you simply declared it.

 

[BarneyFife]

That bridge isn't in site yet. We still have till January 6th. Prayerfully, ever prayerfully, it shan't come into view at all.

'It is up to us" makes me very uncomfortable. Very uncomfortable, indeed.

 

[WaterSong]

'It is up to us" makes me very uncomfortable. Very uncomfortable, indeed.

Does having your Constitutional right to choose those in leadership stolen from you, that a Socialist/Communist Authoritarian Dictatorship be placed in authority through such action make you uncomfortable? Very uncomfortable indeed?

"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."
George Washington.

“Government is not reason, it is not eloquence – it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and fearful master.”
George Washington

”Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! - I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”
Patrick Henry


"Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God."
Benjamin Franklin​

 

[BarneyFife]

Does having your Constitutional right to choose those in leadership stolen from you, that a Socialist/Communist Authoritarian Dictatorship be placed in authority through such action make you uncomfortable? Very uncomfortable indeed?

"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government."
George Washington.

“Government is not reason, it is not eloquence – it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and fearful master.”
George Washington

”Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! - I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!”
Patrick Henry


"Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God."
Benjamin Franklin​

Not nearly as uncomfortable as "It is up to us." Not nearly, indeed. Pile up all the "patriotic" quotes you like. I guess you answered my question about what we should do. Seems as though you're good and ready to cross that bridge. All-or-nothing thinking is what got us into the mess we're in, notwithstanding Patrick Henry's (who, by the way, was an opponent of the Constitution) rhetoric. No one wins wars. Ask some warriors. By the way, would you be taking up arms all by yourself or would you delegate that to our children?

"Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God." - Benjamin Franklin​

"Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake. For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor." - The Very Word Of God (Romans 13:1-7)​

 

[BarneyFife]

"...give me liberty or give me death!”
Patrick Henry

"Give Me (us white people,because I have many black slaves, even though I myself have declared it is wrong) liberty or give me death!"

Henry was also an opponent of the Constitution, by the way.

Contrary to popular belief, the founding fathers were very imperfect men who knew each other and themselves well enough to see that a very thorough system was needed to prevent their evil hearts from overcoming one another.

 

[WaterSong]

Not nearly as uncomfortable as "It is up to us." Not nearly, indeed. Pile up all the "patriotic" quotes you like. I guess you answered my question about what we should do. Seems as though you're good and ready to cross that bridge. All-or-nothing thinking is what got us into the mess we're in, notwithstanding Patrick Henry's (who, by the way, was an opponent of the Constitution) rhetoric. No one wins wars. Ask some warriors. By the way, would you be taking up arms all by yourself or would you delegate that to our children?

"Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God." - Benjamin Franklin​

"Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. For he is God’s minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God’s minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience’ sake. For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God’s ministers attending continually to this very thing. Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor." - The Very Word Of God (Romans 13:1-7)​

Paul was a Roman citizen. Jesus was a Revolutionary.
It matters not what I seem to you. I said my piece about the bridge. You are responsible for what your imagination makes of it.
One thing for certain, Revolution built this country and it was fought in the name of God and freedom, and prayers went up before and during every battle.
Now, we have people living here who forget our history and are happy to rest on their laurels come what may and because others paid the price they're more than happy to shy away from even in the recall of our history.
Cowards don't build a free country! Nor do they maintain it.