How could the American Justice Department pursue the matter when the Russians are in Russia and apt to remain there?
You're making my points for me. Why bother indicting them in the first place if that was the case? The fact is that the Russians did respond to the indictments. You're getting all your information through the mainstream news outlets which have this distinct habit of hiding the facts along with their retractions (days or even weeks later, if at all) of false information in the small print.
So what if the Russians say they're innocent? What would you expect them to say?
You don't seem to understand how this works. They didn't even have to plea because as soon as they responded, it was dropped. They literally didn't do anything. If they did, it's news to me. Again, wiki doesn't count for accuracy so don't even bother. I haven't read anything you've posted from wiki after your first attempt.
You seem about as gullible as Trump when it comes to the Russians.
You haven't begun to comprehend my position. What you don't seem to realize is that I'm not taking Trump's side here at all. When Wall Street becomes a Casino as it has been for well over the last thirty years, one has to look for honest price discovery elsewhere. The foreign exchanges, while tied to the petrodollar, aren't as jacked to the hilt on the Kool Aid. Shortly after the Soviet Union fell, Yuppies from the US, Great Britain, Canada, etc. were all over there making money because it was a free for all. After the dust settled, they realized that free markets are the way to go because they needed to generate some real wealth. They did just that, and are literally on track to keep that going for the next 100 years. China is doing the exact same thing. They're literally building skyscrapers one after the other; all still empty. There are entire cities sitting empty just waiting for the influx of people fleeing economic starvation.
The Red Ponzi is making it happen, but instead of just printing money to pump up the stock market, they're actually investing in infrastructure. When the economy collapses, China, Iran, Russia, etc. will all have their infrastructure in tact while the US will be slumped over backwards with empty pockets, and a hangover. Capital flight has been endemic in the US for decades. We have no infrastructure to speak of anymore.
I was talking about past events first of all and that TED talk secondly. You seem to want to talk about Hillary and Bill or the Mueller investigation instead of the two articles of impeachment. That looks like an attempt to dodge.
What two articles of impeachment? Definition of impeachment: "A process by which the party out of power shows the world how they got that way. Happens most commonly right before a landslide reelection."
“Abuse of power” has no criminal specificity, high or low, and “obstruction of the house” refers fallaciously to the president’s right to seek relief from the supreme court in a procedural disagreement with another branch of government.
What is disturbing about the impeachment and Russiagate is that these orchestrated actions are an attempt to overturn a democratic election. The US now engages in actions against its own population just like its stunts in Venezuela, Bolivia, Honduras, and Ukraine. The media just reports it like it's business as usual. There is no integrity in the media or the American security agencies.
The Democrats hope that some of the mud will stick to Trump and reduce his reelection chances. The Senate will not convict Trump of the charges, unless enough Republican senators can be blackmailed by the FBI, CIA, and NSA—police state institutions that have spy folders on everyone—or unless the military/security complex can bribe enough Republicans with large sums of money to vote against Trump. I would hope enough Americans would notice this, but given the quality of information that people seem to be relying upon nowadays, it wouldn't surprise me.
The meddling in the 2016 election was done by the Deep State intelligence agencies with the encouragement of partisan Obama officials, not the Russians; and Ukraine’s cesspool of corruption would not have smeared American politics in the slightest had Washington not fomented a coup in February 2014 against a government it didn’t like for being too friendly with its historic Russian neighbor.
So the Donald had every reason of state to want the Ukraine corruption investigated. For crying out loud, the prosecutor fired by Biden has told exactly why it happened.
In 2016, he seized the property of the owner of Burisma, who hired Hunter Biden and the son-in-law and chief of staff to John Kerry. Then out of the blue, wham! He was removed from office at Biden’s command in exactly the quid pro quo manner Uncle Joe famously bragged about before an audience at the Council on Foreign Relations. So how much stench do you really need to recognize that the Hunter Biden led crew of fortune hunters in Ukraine weren’t on the up and up?
Just this week the FISA court condemned the FBI for the errors and omissions that led to the warrant being issued (and reissued) against Carter Page, and the court gave the FBI until Jan. 10 to come up with a list of reforms to prevent such an event from happening again.
The senior judge wrote:
“The frequency with which representations made by FBI personnel turned out to be unsupported or contradicted by information in their possession, and with which they withheld information detrimental to their case, calls into question whether information contained in other FBI applications is reliable. Therefore, the Court orders that the government shall, no later than January 10, 2020, inform the Court in a sworn written submission of what it has done, and plans to do, to ensure that the statement of facts in each FBI application accurately and completely reflects information possessed by the FBI that is material to any issue presented by the application.”
What a crock full of horse pucky. Let the same thugs decide what they're going to do to make sure this doesn't happen again? How about we throw them into prison for pulling this in the first place?
Horowitz’s report found “17 significant errors and omissions” by the FBI. The FBI repeatedly renewed the warrant against Carter Page, whom the FBI suspected was working for Russian intelligence, even if it had no evidence to indicate that was the case. He downplayed the fact that an FBI attorney illegally changed an FBI report to indicate that Page was not working for the CIA, when the FBI knew for a fact that he was.
You sound as if you might be on the Russian payroll.
Chump change compared to what can be made simply doing business with them, or even investing in Russia. That pipeline is going to get built. The belts and roads initiative is going to launch China, Russia, et al. into a powerhouse for the 21st century and beyond while the US continues it slide into oblivion. You can become part of that soon to be forgotten backwater where the Benjamins are blowing around in the streets, or you can follow the money, which will probably be denominated in Chinese Renminbi, or Russian Rubles. Russia doesn't have to pay me to point these things out. Read a history book. You obviously aren't aware that we already have hyperinflation. We're just starting to see some of the initial effects which are only going to get worse.
The Russians have been outsmarting this administration for some time.
At least the last 30 years, if not longer.
It's either that or Trump is a Russian agent.
If Trump was a Russian agent, he never would have gone along with sanctions on Venezuela. That doesn't benefit Russia at all. It doesn't benefit anyone except US hegemony and western corporations who can't wait to jump in and take over all those oil fields. They want to do to the Caribbean what they did to the middle east and Africa. Have you noticed that the Dems don't have a problem with Trump's foreign policy? Remember how they were all supportive of all these sanctions? Remember how Shumer and Peleski were dancing a jig when Trump announced he was going to retaliate for Iran shooting down that drone? Remember how dejected they were when he changed his mind the next day? What is Trump supposed to be doing to undermine the US to benefit Russia? The US is shooting its own feet out from under itself without any help from the bad old Orange man.
I prefer to think he's naive politically and being outsmarted.
He's been told to play ball or eat lead; "plato o plomo".
The Russians are masters of complex politics. Putin is very clever.
They've learned from their mistakes.
NATO is in peril with Turkey appearing to be willing to buy military equipment from Russia instead of the US.
They know it's not only better equipment, but also comes with superior tech support.
Trump threatens sanctions, Turkey laughs.
The whole world is zealously laughing because these sanctions the US has been leveling at these countries like a petulant bully are barbaric. They're preventing badly needed medical aid, and tens of thousands of people are dying because of it. History will condemn the US for looking the other way.
I wonder how far Trump would go anyway when he has financial interests in Turkey that could be confiscated? Turkey is even threatening to close down an American military base.
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