Jerusalem Is The Whore Mystery Babylon The Great, Of Revelation 17.

[Earburner]

^ also to the Jews themselves:
Rom.11
[11] I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
[12] Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them [Jews] the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?

It's important that we pay attention to what the Jews gravitated to, the riches of the world, monetary wealth. But more importantly, because of their fall, God's plan of salvation was able to go out from Jerusalem and into the whole world.

I find it interesting that in the KJV, the fall of Babylon (the Great) is shown in the present tense. Lest we forget, Jerusalem and their Temple were destroyed in 70AD, and John wrote the book of Revelation in the vicinity of 96AD. The Gospel of God's salvation had already been in the world for 63 years.

In my understanding, there is no need to go on searching for who Mystery, Babylon the Great is. It truly is Jerusalem of old.
However, what is not being focussed on is, just exactly who are the "harlots" ?
The answer is:
The organized RELIGION of "church-ianity", no matter what name is over the door, has fallen Jerusalem as the Mother of it.

Did you happen to notice there are only two "mothers" concerning the two Jerusalem's?
One Jerusalem is earthly and the other is Heavenly.
KJV- Galatians 4:21-31.

Excuse the pun, but "why on earth" would God move His Heavenly Jerusalem to be down on this OLD earth for another 1000 years, ruling over unsaved flesh and blood people again, who have no hope of His Salvation,...ever?? Such thinking is Jewish, and is pure fantasy, being "of that spirit of antichrist".

Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't our hope to be found in the fact that we are looking for NEW heavens and a NEW earth , whose builder and maker is God? 2 Peter 3:10-13.

Where in the NT scriptures does it show that this OLD earth and it's OLD heaven is to be remodeled??
It doesn't!

 

[Earburner]

^ So what happened to the understanding of "Church-ianity" ?
The tares have married the OC with the NC.
It's as simple as that!!

We don't have to worry about false prophets coming in their own name saying that they are the Christ.

But, we do have to beware of those who are coming IN HIS Name, saying that Jesus is the Christ!
KJV Matthew 24[5] For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Do you see that?

 

[Oseas]

(Jerusalem) is the seven Mount city, where the woman sits, not Rome as many falsely claim.
(Revelation) 17:9KJV
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

Revelation 17:v.1 - And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the Judgment of the Great Whore that sitteth upon MANY WATERS: - Revelation 17:v.15 - 15 And he saith unto me, The WATERS which thou sawest, where the Whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

Qustion: Where or in what places are these gigantic population at any time, today or in ancient times? They are/were placed or located in the Planet Earth, of course, with around 71% of water and 29% of land. The surface area of planet Earth is divided into two large portions, of different sizes, called emerged lands and submerged lands. IN THE YEAR 95 A.D. the Scriptures called the EMERGED LANDS as were 7 mountains, where are placed or located peoples, and nations, and multitudes of all tongues.

That said, it is irrational, absurd, ridiculous, to say that the peoples, and nations, and multitudes of all tongues are placed/ located in Jerusalem. In fact, what the Scriptures written in A.D. 95 reveal is that the 7 mountains where the Great Whore sits are Europe, and Asia, and Africa, and Ocenia(Australia), and North America, and Central America, and South America.
All the religious and satanic structures of the Great Whore, the Roman Catholic Church, ruled and guided by Man Beast of sea-the Pope-the Papacy-are placed or located in those 7 continents of the Earth, not in Jerusalem.

Therefore, to say "(Jerusalem) is the seven Mount city, where the woman sits, not Rome" , as you falsely claim, all readers here must understand it is FAKE. Inclusive the thread is FAKE.

 

[Truth7t7]

Revelation 17:v.1 - And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the Judgment of the Great Whore that sitteth upon MANY WATERS: - Revelation 17:v.15 - 15 And he saith unto me, The WATERS which thou sawest, where the Whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

Qustion: Where or in what places are these gigantic population at any time, today or in ancient times? They are/were placed or located in the Planet Earth, of course, with around 71% of water and 29% of land. The surface area of planet Earth is divided into two large portions, of different sizes, called emerged lands and submerged lands. IN THE YEAR 95 A.D. the Scriptures called the EMERGED LANDS as were 7 mountains, where are placed or located peoples, and nations, and multitudes of all tongues.

That said, it is irrational, absurd, ridiculous, to say that the peoples, and nations, and multitudes of all tongues are placed/ located in Jerusalem. In fact, what the Scriptures written in A.D. 95 reveal is that the 7 mountains where the Great Whore sits are Europe, and Asia, and Africa, and Ocenia(Australia), and North America, and Central America, and South America.
All the religious and satanic structures of the Great Whore, the Roman Catholic Church, ruled and guided by Man Beast of sea-the Pope-the Papacy-are placed or located in those 7 continents of the Earth, not in Jerusalem.

Therefore, to say "(Jerusalem) is the seven Mount city, where the woman sits, not Rome" , as you falsely claim, all readers here must understand it is FAKE. Inclusive the thread is FAKE.

I Disagree

 

[Oseas]

I Disagree

No surprise, course. I reply your foolish posts because other readers, not because of you, your rewards will be according your posts posted here, and are already determined. You believe only in lies, there is no Truth in you. Your rewards are already determined in short time.

 

[friend of]

I sincerely doubt that. Babylon is the world financial/religious system run by the devil.

 

[Truth7t7]

You believe only in lies, there is no Truth in you. Your rewards are already determined in short time.

Your falsely calling me a "Liar", and passing judgement

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[quietthinker]

Jerusalem Is The Whore Mystery Babylon The Great, Of Revelation 17.
Have you wondered why 'The Great' is tacked onto Babylon?
Jerusalem hardly qualifies as "The Great"

 

[Truth7t7]

Jerusalem Is The Whore Mystery Babylon The Great, Of Revelation 17.
Have you wondered why 'The Great' is tacked onto Babylon?
Jerusalem hardly qualifies as "The Great"

Thanks for the response, the OP is straight forward leaving no question, Jerusalem is the woman and great city, purple, scarlet, precious stones the covering of her

 

[Earburner]

I sincerely doubt that. Babylon is the world financial/religious system run by the devil.

Old Babylon itself is not a mystery, therefore the mystery is, that one would never think that God would associate Israel as being fallen and judged by God at the same level of destruction, that He brought to Babylon. But He did, specifically in 70AD.
It's not that literal old Babylon is fallen, but rather Revelation 18:2 says that Babylon the Great is fallen, which is the mystery, because God Himself once was her helper, and all the world then, knew that.

 

[Truth7t7]

Old Babylon itself is not a mystery, therefore the mystery is, that one would never think that God would associate Israel as being fallen and judged by God at the same level of destruction, that He brought to Babylon. But He did, specifically in 70AD.
It's not that literal old Babylon is fallen, but rather Revelation 18:2 says that Babylon the Great is fallen, which is the mystery, because God Himself once was her helper, and all the world then, knew that.

No Revelation 18 hasn't been fulfilled in 70AD as you suggest, it's a future event unfulfilled

The book of Revelation was written in 95-96AD, was John writing of historical events "No"

When Was the Book of Revelation Written?
By Wayne Jackson

Traditionally, the book of Revelation has been dated near the end of the first century, around A.D. 96. Some writers, however, have advanced the preterist (from a Latin word meaning “that which is past”) view, contending that the Apocalypse was penned around A.D. 68 or 69, and thus the thrust of the book is supposed to relate to the impending destruction of Jerusalem (A.D. 70).

A few prominent names have been associated with this position (e.g., Stuart, Schaff, Lightfoot, Foy E. Wallace Jr.), and for a brief time it was popular with certain scholars. James Orr has observed, however, that recent criticism has reverted to the traditional date of near A.D. 96 (1939, 2584). In fact, the evidence for the later date is extremely strong.

In view of some of the bizarre theories that have surfaced in recent times (e.g., the notion that all end-time prophecies were fulfilled with the fall of Jerusalem in A.D. 70), which are dependent upon the preterist interpretation, we offer the following.

External Evidence
The external evidence for the late dating of Revelation is of the highest quality.

Irenaeus
Irenaeus (A.D. 180), a student of Polycarp (who was a disciple of the apostle John), wrote that the apocalyptic vision “was seen not very long ago, almost in our own generation, at the close of the reign of Domitian” (Against Heresies 30). The testimony of Irenaeus, not far removed from the apostolic age, is first rate. He places the book near the end of Domitian’s reign, and that ruler died in A.D. 96. Irenaeus seems to be unaware of any other view for the date of the book of Revelation.

Clement of Alexandria
Clement of Alexandria (A.D. 155-215) says that John returned from the isle of Patmos “after the tyrant was dead” (Who Is the Rich Man? 42), and Eusebius, known as the “Father of Church History,” identifies the “tyrant” as Domitian (Ecclesiastical History III.23).

Even Moses Stuart, America’s most prominent preterist, admitted that the “tyrant here meant is probably Domitian.” Within this narrative, Clement further speaks of John as an “old man.” If Revelation was written prior to A.D. 70, it would scarcely seem appropriate to refer to John as an old man, since he would only have been in his early sixties at this time.

Victorinus
Victorinus (late third century), author of the earliest commentary on the book of Revelation, wrote:

When John said these things, he was in the island of Patmos, condemned to the mines by Caesar Domitian. There he saw the Apocalypse; and when at length grown old, he thought that he should receive his release by suffering; but Domitian being killed, he was liberated (Commentary on Revelation 10:11).

Jerome
Jerome (A.D. 340-420) said,

In the fourteenth then after Nero, Domitian having raised up a second persecution, he [John] was banished to the island of Patmos, and wrote the Apocalypse (Lives of Illustrious Men 9).

To all of this may be added the comment of Eusebius, who contends that the historical tradition of his time (A.D. 324) placed the writing of the Apocalypse at the close of Domitian’s reign (III.18). McClintock and Strong, in contending for the later date, declare that “there is no mention in any writer of the first three centuries of any other time or place” (1969, 1064). Upon the basis of external evidence, therefore, there is little contest between the earlier and later dates.

 

[Oseas]

I sincerely doubt that. Babylon is the world financial/religious system run by the devil.

Thread: Jerusalem Is The Whore Mystery Babylon The Great, Of Revelation 17.

Oh no, Jerusalem is not The Whore Mystery Babylon The Great, Of Revelation 17.

1 - What is the mystery of the Great Whore of Revelation 17 ?

2 - What is the mystery of Babylon be linked to the Great Whore, or vice versa?

Actually, Babylon of Nebuchadnezzar is the roots of the Great Whore, and Babylon has nothing to do with the ancient whore of the Old Testament, the city of Jerusalem, called Aholibah-Eze.23:v.4- whose city was destroyed in 586 B.C.. In the current time, Jerusalem is spiritually called Sodom and Egypt-Rev.11:v.8-and has nothing to do with Babylon.

Where is the roots of the Great Whore? In Babylon, course, around 2.600 years ago. How could we explain this mystery and proving Jerusalem is not the Great Whore Revelation 17? First of all we need to believe in the Word of GOD, not in imaginations and suppositions and, consequently, false interpretations. In fact the roots of the Great Whore is in Babylon of Nebuchadnezzar, there the reason by which Babylon still appears in Revelation-Rev.13:v.2 and chap.17- even after around 2,600 years, that is even in this current time of Apocalypse.

Revelation 13:v.1-2 reveals: (Revelation was written around year 95 A.D.)

V.1 - And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a Beast rise up out of the sea, having 7 heads and 10 horns, and upon his horns 10 crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
2 - And the Beast(of sea) which I saw (looking back for ancient time, of course) was like unto a LEOPARD(Geece), his feet were as the feet of a BEAR(Medo-Persian), and his mouth as the mouth of a LION (Babylon of Nebuchadnezar): and the dragon -the MAN Beast of earth-Revelation 13:v.11-gave (will give) to the Man Beast of sea his Power, and his Seat, and great Authority, according Revelation 11:v.2 and 13:v.5. (Interesting detail: Daniel shows in his description these three kingdoms as being represented sequencially first by lion, after bear, and third a leopard, but John looking back to the past, he saw the inverse, from more recent to the oldest, i.e. leopard, and bear, and lion-here the roost of the Great Whore-Revelation 13:v.2 and chap.17; very interesting).

Who first prophesied about the Beast of sea of Revelation 13 was Daniel. Dan. 7:1 to 25

1 In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon Daniel had a dream and visions of his head upon his bed: then he wrote the dream, and told the SUM of the matters.

DANIEL's DREAM AND VISIONS
v.2 ... four winds of the heaven strove UPOM THE GREAT SEA.>>>> Scriptures reveals "sea" - are peoples, and nations, and multitudes, and tongues- Gentile peoples <<<<
v.3 ... four Great Beasts CAME UP FROM THE SEA (from the peoples, and nations, and multitudes of all tongues), diverse one from another.

FOUR GREAT BEASTS-FOUR KINGDOMS-GENTILE KINGDOMS

verse.4 - The 1st Beast was like a lion; - Babylon

verse 5 - The 2nd Beast like to a bear; - Medo-Persian

verse 6 - A 3rd Beast like a leopard; - Greece

verse 7 - After this I ... behold a FOURTH Beast ...and THIS FOURTH BEAST HAS 10 HORNS.
(FOURTH BEAST - FOURTH KINGDOM-Check it in the verse 23)

v.8 I CONSIDERED THE 10 HORNS and, behold, there came up among them ANOTHER LITTLE HORN (the eleventh)- and, behold, in this LITTLE HORN were eyes like the eyes of MAN, and a MOUTH SPEAKING GREAT THINGS.

v.11 - I beheld then because of the VOICE of the Great words which the LITTLE HORN spake:

v.23 - The FOURTH BEAST shall be the FOURTH KINGDOM upon EARTH, which shall be diverse from ALL kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.--->The fourth Beast, the FOURTH KINGDOM is the Roman Empire- it lasted from 395 BC - 476AD -

v.24 - And the ten(10) HORNS out of this KINGDOM(the 4th kingdom) are ten (10) kings that will arise: and another horn (11th HORN) shall rise AFTER them; and he shall be diverse from the first (10 horns), and he shall subdue three kings.-the LITTLE HORN is the eighth- Rev.17:v.11

v.25 - And he (THE LITTLE HORN) shall speak GREAT WORDS against the Most HIGH (this scenary is linked with Revelation 13:v.2 & 5-6)-, and shall wear out the saints of the Most HIGH, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. (three years and a half-Revelation 11:V.2)

That said, the Thread: Jerusalem Is The Whore Mystery Babylon The Great, Of Revelation 17, IS FAKE.

 

[Oseas]

Your falsely calling me a "Liar", and passing judgement

You are saying that.

In fact I am using the powerful GOD's Sword(Hebrews 4:v.12-13) to break the bonds by which Satan has bind you and, thus, to free you from the Devil's clutches after he made you believe in false interpretations of Scriptures as they have been posted by you, even devilish theories that can lead brothers away from the Truth. GOD is Truth.

THE WORD IS GOD. GOD is Spirit. GOD is Truth. By the way, your icone also is not true.

 

[Truth7t7]

You are saying that.

In fact I am using the powerful GOD's Sword(Hebrews 4:v.12-13) to break the bonds by which Satan has bind you and, thus, to free you from the Devil's clutches after he made you believe in false interpretations of Scriptures as they have been posted by you, even devilish theories that can lead brothers away from the Truth. GOD is Truth.

THE WORD IS GOD. GOD is Spirit. GOD is Truth. By the way, your icone also is not true.

Your claims are false, stop the personal attacks

Jesus Christ Is The Lord

 

[quietthinker]

Thanks for the response, the OP is straight forward leaving no question, Jerusalem is the woman and great city, purple, scarlet, precious stones the covering of her

no resemblance to the reality of Jerusalem

 

[Truth7t7]

no resemblance to the reality of Jerusalem

We Disagree

 

[friend of]

no resemblance to the reality of Jerusalem

Agreed. The Lord is going to SAVE Jerusalem when He returns, not destroy it.

 

[Earburner]

Traditionally, the book of Revelation has been dated near the end of the first century, around A.D. 96. Some writers, however, have advanced the preterist (from a Latin word meaning “that which is past”) view, contending that the Apocalypse was penned around A.D. 68 or 69, and thus the thrust of the book is supposed to relate to the impending destruction of Jerusalem (A.D

In the KJV Babylon the Great is stated FOUR times in the present tense, revealing that the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple, took place 26 years BEFORE John wrote the book of Revelation.
Rev.14[8] And there followed another angel, saying, Babylon is fallen, is fallen, that great* city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.
Rev.18[2] And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great* is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird.

*Note: "Babylon the Great"- make the connection with the words " that great city"

 

[quietthinker]

Agreed. The Lord is going to SAVE Jerusalem when He returns, not destroy it.

Physical Jerusalem will crumble like all the other cities of the world.

2 Peter 3:10-12, The day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night. The heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat, the Earth also, the works shall be burned up. The heavens being on fire and the elements shall melt with fervent heat.

 

[Earburner]

Physical Jerusalem will crumble like all the other cities of the world.

2 Peter 3:10-12, The day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night. The heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat, the Earth also, the works shall be burned up. The heavens being on fire and the elements shall melt with fervent heat.

I agree!
However, I'm beginning to think that Israel is not the only people whereby "blindnes has happened to them in part". Romans 11:25