Jesus and Commands

[1stCenturyLady]

didn't mean to sound mocking there, we are just coming from vastly different places i guess.

so, you don't hold the RCC as an authority, but you proudly or at least unflinchingly say that you would have obeyed Constantine's law that claimed so many saints' lives, see, so understand why from a certain pov that sounds so incongruous, ok?

The two just cannot go together when Constantine's law is reflected upon, but as you say you are unaware of the law that Constantine passed. So, you could google "Cult of Sol Invictus" to see why you like Sunday now, or i guess google will tell you all about the Catholic law that changed Sabbath to Sunday, on pain of death, that i'm sure you have been convinced you are observing Sunday for completely diff reasons prolly, using Barnabas as like a salve or something? which btw i generally like barnabas and even eighth day as far as it goes, but imo it gets taken too far, notice that we have left canon, and are rewriting the Decalogue to boot with this?

You'll have to quote "Constantine's law" not just refer to it. Constantine stopped the killing of Christians, so you are not making sense. Christians weren't keeping Saturday. Sunday was already being observed, so Constantine is not responsible for changing Saturday to Sunday. Where are you getting this nonsense? Christianity was not even made the state religion until two emperors past Constantine.

 

[BobRyan]

how is it that you say it is my POV when Jesus said that they searched scripture and that scripture spoke of Him??

Well it is true that scripture "Speaks of Christ"

But "Judas went out and hanged himself" does not "speak of Christ"
And Satan is not "speaking of Christ" in Genesis 3 when saying that God is lying.

Every verse - every word... is not a reference to Christ. Not even in the OT.

And He said that all that was written in the law and the prophets about Him had to be fulfilled. And that they searched the scriptures for eternal life when the scriptures spoke of HIM!?

Agreed but He never said "all of scripture is deleted ...in Me".

Tsk! You are arguing just to hear yourself.

I enjoy stating the obvious.

You have free will

 

[bbyrd009]

She is not pushing sunday...she has clearly stated that the true Sabbath rest is in Christ. Every day...

yes, that is how "eighth day" always starts i guess, but any way you slice it one is upholding constantine's law there imo,
which apparently we need a history lesson to all even get on the same page,
"Constantine stopped the killing of Christians" i mean what do you even do with this lol

 

[1stCenturyLady]

The Catholic Catechism, the Westminster Confession of Faith, the Baptist Confession of Faith and a great many others freely admit that ALL TEN of the TEN Commandments are included in the moral law of God "written on the heart" under the NEW Covenant.

The overly simplistic "here let me make something up about what Seventh-day Adventist believe" -- solves nothing.

Hebrews 4 says "there REMAINS a Sabbath rest for the people of God" -- REMAINS from WHEN??

The text points us to Psalms 95:7 - and the days of David. It REMAINS as it was in the days of David.Those who "imagine" that the saints at the time of Psalms 95 were in rebellion against the 4th commandment - need to read more Bible.

The point remains.



To refute the nonsense about "SDAs say..." when in fact the exgreme anti-bible fringe limb you are walking out on - puts your suggestions at odds with Bible scholars in general -- not "just the text of scripture".

You would need to install some Bible accuracy into your position to get anywhere near the point where the only difference between the speculation you are offering and all of Christianity was just the difference you would like to have with SDA doctrine.



Noted. I provide the full context for what appears to be nonsense in your conclusions - so that all the readers may determine for themselves ... if it is really so... thus giving you the benefit of the doubt ... that so flabbergasts you.

Let me ask you a question as to Hebrews 4. What does "entering into God's rest" mean to you?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Yes, Flabbergast. It's the most accurate word here.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

yes, that is how "eighth day" always starts i guess, but any way you slice it one is upholding constantine's law there imo

You are saying...that it was Constantine who said the true Sabbath rest is not a specific day but is rather a resting in Christ every day...?

 

[bbyrd009]

You'll have to quote "Constantine's law" not just refer to it.

wadr google and everyone else here knows what i am talking about

Constantine stopped the killing of Christians, so you are not making sense.

Constantine killed more saints than everyone combined most likely; he had his son killed, and his wife killed

Christians weren't keeping Saturday. Sunday was already being observed

so you say, with lots of confidence, but where or why these new believers would be suddenly disobeying the Decalogue you have not made clear wadr. More Barnabas?

so Constantine is not responsible for changing Saturday to Sunday. Where are you getting this nonsense?

did Constantine enact a law that changed the Sabbath day

um, you don't think maybe since you don't even know about Constantine's law you should maybe be a bit less proud of your position here? ok, but you have me in the position of feeling like i should clown you a little so you won't be quite so embarrassed later or something lol, i don't even know what to say here.

But i understand you grew up when we were still spoon-fed our versions of history via the winners, i was too i guess, but right on the edge. ok, bye

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Constantine killed more saints than everyone combined most likely; he had his son killed, and his wife killed

Baloney. History has it that Constanine put a stop to the killing of Christians. What is your source?

History also shows that it was Diocletian who killed the most Christians by Roman emperors.

 

[bbyrd009]

ppl had a diff relationship to their congregations back then i guess, so i agree that Constantine did not really change any days of worship like we imagine now anyway, which is imo where "eighth day" is short-sighted, in that something new is posited which is really just the original thing, ppl interacting with their congregations every weekday, and living in worship rather than imagining a single day set aside for obeisance or whatever worship is defined as now

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I thought Constantine said that from that point on every man could worship however he saw fit...?

 

[bbyrd009]

Constanine put a stop to the killing of Christians.

"Christians" that kissed the ring and sucked up to the law, yes
the ones that refused were not even counted

 

[Episkopos]

I thought Constantine said that from that point on every man could worship however he saw fit...?

But he wanted Christianity to have 1 set of rules. He united it by making bishops....not all....settle on a creed. This replaced a living faith with an adherence to a set of words that were learned by the commandment of men. And people still don't see what's wrong with them?

 

[bbyrd009]

I thought Constantine said that from that point on every man could worship however he saw fit...?

as long as they specifically did not observe the Sabbath, yes. along with many other laws

here, i found one that isn't too retarded either way:
"
Sunday actually made very little headway as a Christian day of rest until the time of Constantine in the fourth century. Constantine was emperor of Rome from AD 306 to 337. He was a sun worshiper during the first years of his reign. Later, he professed conversion to Christianity, but at heart remained a devotee of the sun. Edward Gibbon says, “The Sun was universally celebrated as the invincible guide and protector of Constantine.”

Constantine created the earliest Sunday law known to history in AD 321. It says this:

On the venerable Day of the sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country, however, persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits: because it often happens that another Day is not so suitable for grain sowing or for vine planting: lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost.ii

Chamber’s Encyclopedia says this:

Unquestionably the first law, either ecclesiastical or civil, by which the Sabbatical observance of that Day is known to have been ordained, is the edict of Constantine, 321 A.D.iii" Constantine and the Sabbath Change

 

[1stCenturyLady]

"Christians" that kissed the ring and sucked up to the law, yes

What is your source?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

as long as they specifically did not observe the Sabbath, yes. along with many other laws

The Old Testament Sabbath was not even an issue. Sunday has always been observed in Christianity. You seem to be believing SDA propaganda against Catholicism, more than facts.

 

[bbyrd009]

History also shows that it was Diocletian who killed the most Christians of Roman emperors.

well, they were contemporaries, Dio was Connie's boss

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Does it all really matter? He seeks those who will worship Him in spirit and truth. There is no law against this.

 

[bbyrd009]

The Old Testament Sabbath was not even an issue. Sunday has always been observed in Christianity. You seem to be believing SDA propaganda against Catholicism, more than facts.

well you can read the law yourself lol, i didn't make it up :)

 

[faithfulness]

Does it all really matter? He seeks those who will worship Him in spirit and truth. There is no law against this.

keep the main thing the main thing :)

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Constantine created the earliest Sunday law known to history in AD 321

Did Constantine pick Sunday out of the air because of sun worshiping? Baloney.

Justin Martyr describes Christian worship (c.150 AD)
And we afterwards continually remind each other of these things. And the wealthy among us help the needy; and we always keep together; and for all things wherewith we are supplied, we bless the Maker of all through His Son Jesus Christ, and through the Holy Ghost. And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things.