Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so a 1000 yr reign on this earth is false

[Scott Downey]

Not even David ascended into heaven, a man greatly beloved by God, nor did Jacob Israel.
None of them received the promise, no one went to heaven until Christ came suffered, died, resurrected and glorified by the Father.
That is my view, maybe you believe something else.

Genesis 37
34 And Jacob tore his clothes, put on sackcloth, and mourned many days for his son.

35 And all his sons and daughters attempted to console him, but he refused to be comforted and said, I will go down to Sheol (the place of the dead) to my son mourning. And his father wept for him.

John 3, Jesus speaking,
13 And yet no one has ever gone up to heaven, but there is One Who has come down from heaven—the Son of Man [Himself], [b]Who is (dwells, has His home) in heaven.

Acts 2
17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, God declares, that I will pour out of My Spirit upon all mankind, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy [[b]telling forth the divine counsels] and your young men shall see visions ([c]divinely granted appearances), and your old men shall dream [[d]divinely suggested] dreams.

18 Yes, and on My menservants also and on My maidservants in those days I will pour out of My Spirit, and they shall prophesy [[e]telling forth the divine counsels and [f]predicting future events pertaining especially to God’s kingdom].

19 And I will show wonders in the sky above and signs on the earth beneath, blood and fire and smoking vapor;

20 The sun shall be turned into darkness and the moon into blood before the obvious day of the Lord comes—that great and notable and conspicuous and renowned [day].

21 And it shall be that whoever shall call upon the name of the Lord [[g]invoking, adoring, and worshiping the Lord—Christ] shall be saved.

22 You men of Israel, listen to what I have to say: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man accredited and pointed out and shown forth and commended and attested to you by God by the mighty works and [the power of performing] wonders and signs which God worked through Him
in your midst, as you yourselves know—

23 This Jesus, when delivered up according to the definite and fixed purpose and settled plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and put out of the way [killing Him] by the hands of lawless and wicked men.

24 [But] God raised Him up, liberating Him from the pangs of death, seeing that it was not possible for Him to continue to be controlled or retained by it.

25 For David says in regard to Him, I saw the Lord constantly before me, for He is at my right hand that I may not be shaken or overthrown or cast down [from my secure and happy state].

26 Therefore my heart rejoiced and my tongue exulted exceedingly; moreover, my flesh also will dwell in hope [will encamp, pitch its tent, and dwell in hope in anticipation of the resurrection].

27 For You will not abandon my soul, leaving it helpless in Hades (the state of departed spirits), nor let Your Holy One know decay or see destruction [of the body after death].

28 You have made known to me the ways of life; You will enrapture me [diffusing my soul with joy] with and in Your presence.

29 Brethren, it is permitted me to tell you confidently and with freedom concerning the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day.

30 Being however a prophet, and knowing that God had sealed to him with an oath that He would set one of his descendants on his throne,

31 He, foreseeing this, spoke [by foreknowledge] of the resurrection of the Christ (the Messiah) that He was not deserted [in death] and left in Hades (the state of departed spirits), nor did His body know decay or see destruction.

32 This Jesus God raised up, and of that all we [His disciples] are witnesses.

33 Being therefore lifted high by and to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father [h]the promised [blessing which is the] Holy Spirit, He has made this outpouring which you yourselves both see and hear.

34 For David did not ascend into the heavens; yet he himself says, The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at My right hand and share My throne

35 Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.

36 Therefore let the whole house of Israel recognize beyond all doubt and acknowledge assuredly that God has made Him both Lord and Christ (the Messiah)—this Jesus Whom you crucified.

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[WPM]

Not even David ascended into heaven, a man greatly beloved by God, nor did Jacob Israel.
None of them received the promise, no one went to heaven until Christ came suffered, died, resurrected and glorified by the Father.
That is my view, maybe you believe something else.

Genesis 37
34 And Jacob tore his clothes, put on sackcloth, and mourned many days for his son.

35 And all his sons and daughters attempted to console him, but he refused to be comforted and said, I will go down to Sheol (the place of the dead) to my son mourning. And his father wept for him.

John 3, Jesus speaking,
13 And yet no one has ever gone up to heaven, but there is One Who has come down from heaven—the Son of Man [Himself], [b]Who is (dwells, has His home) in heaven.

How many times are you going to say this, and we respond, and you ignore it? This was said before the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. This was the reality from the Fall to the cross. But everything changed after the cross. The Old was fully fulfilled. He emptied Hades upon death, He descended into Hades and released the redeemed spirits. He did not raise the redeemed physically. That will occur at the second coming. We are talking about the disembodied dead in Christ in Abraham's bosom. They followed Christ into glory to reign with Christ.

Acts 2
17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, God declares, that I will pour out of My Spirit upon all mankind, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy [[b]telling forth the divine counsels] and your young men shall see visions ([c]divinely granted appearances), and your old men shall dream [[d]divinely suggested] dreams.

18 Yes, and on My menservants also and on My maidservants in those days I will pour out of My Spirit, and they shall prophesy [[e]telling forth the divine counsels and [f]predicting future events pertaining especially to God’s kingdom].

19 And I will show wonders in the sky above and signs on the earth beneath, blood and fire and smoking vapor;

20 The sun shall be turned into darkness and the moon into blood before the obvious day of the Lord comes—that great and notable and conspicuous and renowned [day].

21 And it shall be that whoever shall call upon the name of the Lord [[g]invoking, adoring, and worshiping the Lord—Christ] shall be saved.

22 You men of Israel, listen to what I have to say: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man accredited and pointed out and shown forth and commended and attested to you by God by the mighty works and [the power of performing] wonders and signs which God worked through Him
in your midst, as you yourselves know—

23 This Jesus, when delivered up according to the definite and fixed purpose and settled plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and put out of the way [killing Him] by the hands of lawless and wicked men.

24 [But] God raised Him up, liberating Him from the pangs of death, seeing that it was not possible for Him to continue to be controlled or retained by it.

25 For David says in regard to Him, I saw the Lord constantly before me, for He is at my right hand that I may not be shaken or overthrown or cast down [from my secure and happy state].

26 Therefore my heart rejoiced and my tongue exulted exceedingly; moreover, my flesh also will dwell in hope [will encamp, pitch its tent, and dwell in hope in anticipation of the resurrection].

27 For You will not abandon my soul, leaving it helpless in Hades (the state of departed spirits), nor let Your Holy One know decay or see destruction [of the body after death].

28 You have made known to me the ways of life; You will enrapture me [diffusing my soul with joy] with and in Your presence.

29 Brethren, it is permitted me to tell you confidently and with freedom concerning the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day.

30 Being however a prophet, and knowing that God had sealed to him with an oath that He would set one of his descendants on his throne,

31 He, foreseeing this, spoke [by foreknowledge] of the resurrection of the Christ (the Messiah) that He was not deserted [in death] and left in Hades (the state of departed spirits), nor did His body know decay or see destruction.

32 This Jesus God raised up, and of that all we [His disciples] are witnesses.

33 Being therefore lifted high by and to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father [h]the promised [blessing which is the] Holy Spirit, He has made this outpouring which you yourselves both see and hear.

34 For David did not ascend into the heavens; yet he himself says, The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at My right hand and share My throne

35 Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.

36 Therefore let the whole house of Israel recognize beyond all doubt and acknowledge assuredly that God has made Him both Lord and Christ (the Messiah)—this Jesus Whom you crucified.

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​

How many times are you going to say this, and we respond, and you ignore it? This was said before the death, burial and resurrection of Christ. This was the reality from the Fall to the cross. But everything changed after the cross. The Old was fully fulfilled. He emptied Hades upon death, He descended into Hades and released the redeemed spirits. He did not raise the redeemed physically. That will occur at the second coming. We are talking about the disembodied dead in Christ in Abraham's bosom. They followed Christ into glory to reign with Christ.

 

[WPM]

Not even David ascended into heaven, a man greatly beloved by God, nor did Jacob Israel.
None of them received the promise, no one went to heaven until Christ came suffered, died, resurrected and glorified by the Father.
That is my view, maybe you believe something else.

Genesis 37
34 And Jacob tore his clothes, put on sackcloth, and mourned many days for his son.

35 And all his sons and daughters attempted to console him, but he refused to be comforted and said, I will go down to Sheol (the place of the dead) to my son mourning. And his father wept for him.

John 3, Jesus speaking,
13 And yet no one has ever gone up to heaven, but there is One Who has come down from heaven—the Son of Man [Himself], [b]Who is (dwells, has His home) in heaven.

Acts 2
17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, God declares, that I will pour out of My Spirit upon all mankind, and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy [[b]telling forth the divine counsels] and your young men shall see visions ([c]divinely granted appearances), and your old men shall dream [[d]divinely suggested] dreams.

18 Yes, and on My menservants also and on My maidservants in those days I will pour out of My Spirit, and they shall prophesy [[e]telling forth the divine counsels and [f]predicting future events pertaining especially to God’s kingdom].

19 And I will show wonders in the sky above and signs on the earth beneath, blood and fire and smoking vapor;

20 The sun shall be turned into darkness and the moon into blood before the obvious day of the Lord comes—that great and notable and conspicuous and renowned [day].

21 And it shall be that whoever shall call upon the name of the Lord [[g]invoking, adoring, and worshiping the Lord—Christ] shall be saved.

22 You men of Israel, listen to what I have to say: Jesus of Nazareth, a Man accredited and pointed out and shown forth and commended and attested to you by God by the mighty works and [the power of performing] wonders and signs which God worked through Him
in your midst, as you yourselves know—

23 This Jesus, when delivered up according to the definite and fixed purpose and settled plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and put out of the way [killing Him] by the hands of lawless and wicked men.

24 [But] God raised Him up, liberating Him from the pangs of death, seeing that it was not possible for Him to continue to be controlled or retained by it.

25 For David says in regard to Him, I saw the Lord constantly before me, for He is at my right hand that I may not be shaken or overthrown or cast down [from my secure and happy state].

26 Therefore my heart rejoiced and my tongue exulted exceedingly; moreover, my flesh also will dwell in hope [will encamp, pitch its tent, and dwell in hope in anticipation of the resurrection].

27 For You will not abandon my soul, leaving it helpless in Hades (the state of departed spirits), nor let Your Holy One know decay or see destruction [of the body after death].

28 You have made known to me the ways of life; You will enrapture me [diffusing my soul with joy] with and in Your presence.

29 Brethren, it is permitted me to tell you confidently and with freedom concerning the patriarch David that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us to this day.

30 Being however a prophet, and knowing that God had sealed to him with an oath that He would set one of his descendants on his throne,

31 He, foreseeing this, spoke [by foreknowledge] of the resurrection of the Christ (the Messiah) that He was not deserted [in death] and left in Hades (the state of departed spirits), nor did His body know decay or see destruction.

32 This Jesus God raised up, and of that all we [His disciples] are witnesses.

33 Being therefore lifted high by and to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father [h]the promised [blessing which is the] Holy Spirit, He has made this outpouring which you yourselves both see and hear.

34 For David did not ascend into the heavens; yet he himself says, The Lord said to my Lord, Sit at My right hand and share My throne

35 Until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet.

36 Therefore let the whole house of Israel recognize beyond all doubt and acknowledge assuredly that God has made Him both Lord and Christ (the Messiah)—this Jesus Whom you crucified.

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Your confusion seems to arise from the fact you cannot differentiate between the Spirit of Christ and the physical body of Christ. For the record, these are two different things. That is why, when we die, our bodies do not go into the presence of Christ, but our spirits do. This is what happened to Jesus. 2000 years ago.

You are posting as if we do not believe Christ was physically raised on the 3rd day. No one is saying that. You have Christ sitting helplessly in Hades for 3 days. We say He commended His Spirit to His Father, descended into Abraham's bosom and delivered the dead in Christ and raised them to paradise (heaven).

 

[CadyandZoe]

He emptied Hades upon death, He descended into Hades and released the redeemed spirits.

Where is that found in the Bible?

 

[ewq1938]

I can see where you're coming from. However, Paul appears to hold the belief that they are indeed distinct from one another.

Only in name but they are identical in definition and meaning in Hebrew and Greek, and even English.

 

[Taken]

Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so a 1000 yr reign on this earth is false


No, not false.

Jesus’ Kingdom is not of this world….YET!

FACT of what Jesus Taught shortly after beginning His ministry…
Teaching gathered crowds WHO, HOW and WHAT for men to PRAY…

Matt. 6:
[9] After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
[10] Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

FACTof what WAS Trueon the day JESUS spoke.
John 18:
[36] Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

FACT
From God, to Christ Jesus, to a holy Angel Servant, to Apostle John, to this Worlds’ Interested Occupants.

Rev 1:
[1] The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 19:
[11]I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
[12] His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
[13] And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
[14] And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
[15] And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
[16] And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
[17] And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

Rev 20:
[4] And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and …

they ON Earth and they IN Heaven returned to Earth

[4]… which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and “they”… lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Not Knowing WHAT “not now means”…
OR the Timing Context of “now” being while Jesus WAS Present ON Earth…
OR
WHAT Jesus taught men to PRAY For
OR
WHAT was Revealed…SHALL Come…

Proves your Claims IN DIRECT Contrast to Gods Word.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Scott Downey]

Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so a 1000 yr reign on this earth is false


No, not false.

Jesus’ Kingdom is not of this world….YET!

FACT of what Jesus Taught shortly after beginning His ministry…
Teaching gathered crowds WHO, HOW and WHAT for men to PRAY…

Matt. 6:
[9] After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
[10] Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

FACTof what WAS Trueon the day JESUS spoke.
John 18:
[36] Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

FACT
From God, to Christ Jesus, to a holy Angel Servant, to Apostle John, to this Worlds’ Interested Occupants.

Rev 1:
[1] The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 19:
[11]I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
[12] His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
[13] And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
[14] And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
[15] And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
[16] And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
[17] And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

Rev 20:
[4] And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and …

they ON Earth and they IN Heaven returned to Earth

[4]… which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and “they”… lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Not Knowing WHAT “not now means”…
OR the Timing Context of “now” being while Jesus WAS Present ON Earth…
OR
WHAT Jesus taught men to PRAY For
OR
WHAT was Revealed…SHALL Come…

Proves your Claims IN DIRECT Contrast to Gods Word.

Glory to God,
Taken

Jesus's kingdom is never of this earth.

Revelation 11:15
Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!”
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"and He shall reign forever and ever!”, not just for 1000 years on a still rebellious earth where there are unsaved persons resisting God and Christ, and who again join with Satan. An earth which is still being evangelized with Christ seated on an earthy throne in Jerusalem and an earthly temple of God made with hands wherein He sits as God.

The truth, and He is ministering in Heaven, of the heavenly things, not of the earthly things.

Hebrews 8
Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, 2 a Minister of the [a]sanctuary and of the true tabernacle which the Lord erected, and not man.

3 For every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices. Therefore it is necessary that this One also have something to offer. 4 For if He were on earth, He would not be a priest, since there are priests who offer the gifts according to the law; 5 who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things, as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle. For He said, “See that you make all things according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.”

6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
IF Christ were to reign on earth, He would not be a priest, and God swore an oath that He is a priest forever. Christ has obtained that ministry and that ministry is in heaven, not on this earth for 1000 years.

 

[shepherdsword]

John 18:36

1. Jesus answered, “Mykingdom is not of this world. If Mykingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now Mykingdom is not from here.”

in certain contexts, kosmos (world) can be understood as “social order” or “world system.”

• In secular Greek (before the NT), kosmos was often used to mean a well-ordered system, including human society.
• In the New Testament, this meaning often comes across as the “world” in the sense of the organized system of human life and culture, often opposed to God:
  • John 15:19 — “If you were of the world, the world would love its own.” (Here kosmos = society in rebellion.)
  • 1 John 2:15–16 — “Do not love the world nor the things in the world… the lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, pride of life.” (Clearly social/moral order, not the planet.)

So while “social order” is not a direct translation, it is a legitimate interpretive rendering in passages where kosmos refers not to the physical world but to the system of human society and its values

His kingdom is the "world to come" or the millennial reign:

Lk 18:30 Who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting.

 

[Taken]

Jesus's kingdom is never of this earth.

False.

Rev 20:
reigned with Christ a thousand years…
* His Saints (Saved Souls) reign with Him.
* His holy angel Servants are with Him.
* Satan and his fallen angles are removed from the Earth.
* outside of the borders of Christs Kingdom;
unsaved believing living mortals, begin towns, cities, kingdoms, have kings, marry, have children, live no more than 120 years, die, next generation continues, kings pilgrimage to CHRISTS kingdom to be taught HOW to rule, Christs Ministering angels aid mortal Nations (mortals), peace exists between Nations, Satan, fallen angels are not present to Influence mortal men….
For 1,000 years.
Ending the 1,000 years…Satan and his fallen angels are Released from their Bondage, to return to Earth.
They DO what they have Always DONE when ON Earth…not a secret…Influence human through, lies, trickery, deceit….TO WHAT?
Not a secret… Reject The Lord God…Stand Against Him.

The 1,000 years is a Testing Time for Human men…
For centuries… beginning in the Garden, The man/ the woman deflected from THEIR own accountability…
Woman blamed Serpent (devil:Satan)
Man blamed Woman.

During the 1,000 years, kings will be taught How to rule their nations, according to Christ the Lords WAY of ruling…( they are NOT forced to pilgrimage to Christs Kingdom…)

Not a mystery… when men are comfortable, content, prosperous, needs and wants met…
Most will find NO NEED to bother with the inconvenience of …God…Praying for what they already Have…Exalting God, teaching about God, Thanking God…
Children will inherit parents, wealth, homes, land, and ignore God as they learned from their parents…
And when their “free ride”, something for nothing, begins to Fail…wealth squandered, crops fail…they are RIPE to squabble, Blame God…AND…
Then Shall Satan be Released from Bondage With his band of fallen angels….
* Then Shall ALL the Nations of the World come to the borders of Christs Kingdom, raising their Fists, Blaming God, Denouncing God…
And be Met with Christ Jesus Two Edge Sword… which IS His Truth that flows forth from His mouth…that Can Save the Faithful Believers…or Destroy the unfaithful unbelievers.
And…you can Guess, what will happen to All the Nations (mortal people that Come Against Christ and His Kingdom… ) OR Hear, Read, Learn, Trust, KNOW…

Rev. 20:
[9] And “they” went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city:
and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured “them”.[/U

“Them”…mortal men. End of “humans”…
“beloved city”…Jerusalem.
“Everlasting Throne, God established and Sat first faithful human king…David.
God Prepared His Word…to be Lastly seated on THAT Throne…As so it shall be…
For 1,000 years, while mortals still exist.
For eternity, AFTER mortals no longer exist…

* Then shall the prophecy be fulfilled…
Heaven and Earth…Gods Kingdom Forever.
Only Occupants / inhabitants / Forever living *The Lord God… who is Spirit.
*Holy Angels… who are faithful Spirits
*Transformed men… whose spirit has been Born Again of Gods SEED.

Unholy Angel Spirits…Who can not die, Trapped in The LOF.
Human dead remains…lifeless body, lifeless soul, lifeless spirit…destroyed, no memory of them, forgotten.

Scripture Reveals the Truth…
Like the clever saying of “Ripley’s”…
You can Believe “it” ( in this Case Scripture ),
Or Not.

ONLY The Lord God Reveals the “Understanding” of His Word, His Truth.

Appears you are/ have depending on an “understanding of Gods Word”… from somewhere OTHER than The Lord God.

Ask Him, and you shall receive.

Glory to God,
Taken







Revelation 11:15
Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, “The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!”[/QUOTE]
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"and He shall reign forever and ever!”, not just for 1000 years on a still rebellious earth where there are unsaved persons resisting God and Christ, and who again join with Satan. An earth which is still being evangelized with Christ seated on an earthy throne in Jerusalem and an earthly temple of God made with hands wherein He sits as God.

The truth, and He is ministering in Heaven, of the heavenly things, not of the earthly things.

Hebrews 8
Now this is the main point of the things we are saying: We have such a High Priest, who is seated at the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens, 2 a Minister of the [a]sanctuary and of the true tabernacle which the Lord erected, and not man.

3 For every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices. Therefore it is necessary that this One also have something to offer. 4 For if He were on earth, He would not be a priest, since there are priests who offer the gifts according to the law; 5 who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things, as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle. For He said, “See that you make all things according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.”

6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
IF Christ were to reign on earth, He would not be a priest, and God swore an oath that He is a priest forever. Christ has obtained that ministry and that ministry is in heaven, not on this earth for 1000 years.
[/QUOTE]

 

[rwb]

in certain contexts, kosmos (world) can be understood as “social order” or “world system.”

• In secular Greek (before the NT), kosmos was often used to mean a well-ordered system, including human society.
• In the New Testament, this meaning often comes across as the “world” in the sense of the organized system of human life and culture, often opposed to God:
  • John 15:19 — “If you were of the world, the world would love its own.” (Here kosmos = society in rebellion.)
  • 1 John 2:15–16 — “Do not love the world nor the things in the world… the lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, pride of life.” (Clearly social/moral order, not the planet.)

So while “social order” is not a direct translation, it is a legitimate interpretive rendering in passages where kosmos refers not to the physical world but to the system of human society and its values

His kingdom is the "world to come" or the millennial reign:

Lk 18:30 Who shall not receive manifold more in this present time, and in the world to come life everlasting.

If the Kingdom of God in the world to come signifies a millennial reign of/with Christ, it would not be "life everlasting." Because a thousand years has both a beginning and ending and is not the eternal/everlasting/unending life promised to whosoever believes Christ.

 

[shepherdsword]

If the Kingdom of God in the world to come signifies a millennial reign of/with Christ, it would not be "life everlasting." Because a thousand years has both a beginning and ending and is not the eternal/everlasting/unending life promised to whosoever believes Christ.

"Life everlasting" is for the individuals and not the 1000 year reign. The millennium must take place to honor the unfulfilled promises for Israel.

 

[rwb]

"Life everlasting" is for the individuals and not the 1000 year reign. The millennium must take place to honor the unfulfilled promises for Israel.

Who will reign with Christ for one thousand years? What unfulfilled promises for ethnic Israel that is not inclusive for people of all nations?

 

[shepherdsword]

Who will reign with Christ for one thousand years?

Rv 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

What unfulfilled promises for ethnic Israel that is not inclusive for people of all nations?

• Isaiah 2:2–4 – Nations come to Zion; peace and no more war.
• Isaiah 35:1–2, 5–10 – Desert blossoms, healing, joy in Zion.
• Micah 4:1–4 – Peaceful reign; each under their own vine and fig tree.
• Amos 9:13–14 – Abundant harvest and restoration of the land.
• Ezekiel 43:1–7 – Glory of the Lord returns to the Temple.
• Zechariah 8:3–8 – God dwells in Zion; old and young dwell safely.
• Zechariah 14:16–19 – Nations come to Jerusalem for the Feast of Tabernacles.
• Isaiah 66:22–23 – All flesh worships before the Lord in Jerusalem.
• Zechariah 14:9 – The Lord will be King over all the earth.
• Matthew 19:28 – Disciples will sit on thrones judging Israel.
• Luke 1:32–33 – Jesus to reign on David’s throne forever.
• Revelation 20:1–6 – Christ reigns 1,000 years; saints reign with Him

 

[rwb]

Rv 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

As you point out there are those called blessed and holy that shall reign with Christ a thousand years. If they shall reign with Christ for a thousand years after Christ comes again, what about the martyred saints who have lived and reigned with Christ already before dying for a thousand years? That makes no sense! You say a thousand years are future, yet John writes of those who have died reigning with Christ a thousand years? The passage is illogical if we try to force it to say there will be a literal millennial reign after Christ returns. The only logical conclusion is recognizing "a" thousand years express TIME given this earth to build the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven.

Revelation 20:4 (KJV) And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

• Isaiah 2:2–4 – Nations come to Zion; peace and no more war.
• Isaiah 35:1–2, 5–10 – Desert blossoms, healing, joy in Zion.
• Micah 4:1–4 – Peaceful reign; each under their own vine and fig tree.
• Amos 9:13–14 – Abundant harvest and restoration of the land.
• Ezekiel 43:1–7 – Glory of the Lord returns to the Temple.
• Zechariah 8:3–8 – God dwells in Zion; old and young dwell safely.
• Zechariah 14:16–19 – Nations come to Jerusalem for the Feast of Tabernacles.
• Isaiah 66:22–23 – All flesh worships before the Lord in Jerusalem.
• Zechariah 14:9 – The Lord will be King over all the earth.
• Matthew 19:28 – Disciples will sit on thrones judging Israel.
• Luke 1:32–33 – Jesus to reign on David’s throne forever.
• Revelation 20:1–6 – Christ reigns 1,000 years; saints reign with Him

My question, "What unfulfilled promises for ethnic Israel that is not inclusive for people of all nations?" Are you saying these passages are promises only for ethnic Israel and not for all nations?

 

[shepherdsword]

As you point out there are those called blessed and holy that shall reign with Christ a thousand years. If they shall reign with Christ for a thousand years after Christ comes again, what about the martyred saints who have lived and reigned with Christ already before dying for a thousand years? That makes no sense! You say a thousand years are future, yet John writes of those who have died reigning with Christ a thousand years? The passage is illogical if we try to force it to say there will be a literal millennial reign after Christ returns. The only logical conclusion is recognizing "a" thousand years express TIME given this earth to build the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven.

Are you saying the first resurrection is already past? The martyred saints will reign one the first resurrection actually happens.

Revelation 20:4 (KJV) And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.


My question, "What unfulfilled promises for ethnic Israel that is not inclusive for people of all nations?" Are you saying these passages are promises only for ethnic Israel and not for all nations?

The promises to Israel do include the whole earth because Israel shall be the ruling power with the Lord Jesus as the King. He shall sit upon the earthly throne of David. David's throne was never a heavenly one.

 

[rwb]

Are you saying the first resurrection is already past?

No, but I am quoting the words of John, who says he saw martyred saints who lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years! That tells us these martyred saints, before dying, lived and reigned with Christ during this period John writes "a thousand years".

The martyred saints will reign one the first resurrection actually happens.

The passage does NOT say these martyred saints will reign during a future millennium that shall come.

Read the passage carefully. John first writes of the martyred 'souls' of those who have been faithful to Christ unto death, telling us before they died "they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." Then John speaks of the rest of the dead, or others who have lived and died without having lived and reigned with Christ during a thousand years. Besides them there shall be others who have part in the first resurrection called blessed and holy who have no fear of the second death because it has no power over them. Because just as the martyred saints who reigned with Christ in life, these others also shall be priests of God and of Christ and shall also reign with Him a thousand years during this time of a thousand years. John doesn't speak of these who shall be priests of God and Christ as disembodied souls. Because faithful saints of Christ in life, before dying, are priests and kings through Christ while alive on earth.

Revelation 20:4-6 (KJV) And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

In time, John writes "a thousand years" faithful saints blessed and holy have been made kings and priests upon the earth during this time, and when they die have blessed assurance that in Christ they shall live forever! In both time (a thousand years) and in eternity (the world to come) believers shall always live and reign with Christ.

Revelation 1:5-6 (KJV) And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

The promises to Israel do include the whole earth because Israel shall be the ruling power with the Lord Jesus as the King. He shall sit upon the earthly throne of David. David's throne was never a heavenly one.

This opinion is nowhere to be found in Scripture! Which is probably why you haven't given a single verse from Scripture to prove your opinion.

The Kingdom of God on earth has never been visible and shall never be visible on THIS earth. How can it be since the Kingdom of God is within believers! In life we see the physical bodies of those who proclaim to have entered the Kingdom of God, but we have no ability to physically see that which is not now, nor shall it ever be of THIS earth. God tells us the only way man born of mortal flesh & blood might enter the Kingdom of God, "You must be born again"! When we have been born again we not only know (see) the Kingdom of God in heaven, we have also entered into the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven through Christ's Spirit in us. We aren't waiting for a material, physical Kingdom of God to come to this earth, since we have already been made to partake of the Spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven. When the Kingdom of God in heaven is complete, we, who are spiritually living and reigning with Christ in life and after death, shall live with Christ forever on the new earth after this time John writes "a thousand years" shall be no longer.

Luke 17:20-21 (KJV) And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

John 3:3 (KJV) Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

John 3:5-8 (KJV) Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Colossians 1:12-13 (KJV) Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

Ephesians 2:4-6 (KJV) But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

 

[covenantee]

The promises to Israel do include the whole earth because Israel shall be the ruling power with the Lord Jesus as the King. He shall sit upon the earthly throne of David. David's throne was never a heavenly one.

David's physical throne was destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar more than 2,000 years ago. Christ will not be sitting upon it because it does not exist.

The Holy Spirit through Peter describes the throne of David, upon which Christ has been sitting in the heavens since His Resurrection.

Acts 2
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

1. 
   John 18:36
   Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so that I should not be delivered to the Jews; but now My kingdom is not from here.”

Logically a king and His servants fight for His kingdom.

No Jesus will not be reigning as a king on this earth, not then, not now or in the future.

Jesus received a heavenly kingdom. Some future day, the kingdoms of this world will become the kingdom of God by inheritance and we then have the new earth and the new heaven, but that is not this day yet, nor after any 1000 years longer of a millennial current earthly reign of Christ.

The heathen are still raging and fighting against the Father and the Son.
The only time they can no longer fight is when we get new earth and new heaven in which dwells righteousness.
Even pre-mills admit there is evil rebellion of the wicked and Satan during their earthly millennial reign.

Psalm 2
.
Why do the [a]nations [b]rage,
And the people plot a [c]vain thing?
2 The kings of the earth set themselves,
And the rulers take counsel together,
Against the Lord and against His Anointed,[d] saying,
3 “Let us break Their bonds in pieces
And cast away Their cords from us.”
4 He who sits in the heavens shall laugh;
The Lord shall hold them in derision.
5 Then He shall speak to them in His wrath,
And distress them in His deep displeasure:
6 “Yet I have [e]set My King
[f]On My holy hill of Zion.”
7 “I will declare the [g]decree:
The Lord has said to Me,
‘You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You.
8 Ask of Me, and I will give You
The nations for Your inheritance,
And the ends of the earth for Your possession.

9 You shall [h]break them with a rod of iron;
You shall dash them to pieces like a potter’s vessel.’ ”

v9, they are slain

Luke 19

11 Now as they heard these things, He spoke another parable, because He was near Jerusalem and because they thought the kingdom of God would appear immediately.

12 Therefore He said: “A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom and to return.

13 So he called ten of his servants, delivered to them ten [e]minas, and said to them, ‘Do business till I come.’

14 But his citizens hated him, and sent a delegation after him, saying, ‘We will not have this man to reign over us.’

15 “And so it was that when he returned, having received the kingdom, he then commanded these servants, to whom he had given the money, to be called to him, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. 16 Then came the first, saying, ‘Master, your mina has earned ten minas.’ 17 And he said to him, ‘Well done, good servant; because you were faithful in a very little, have authority over ten cities.’ 18 And the second came, saying, ‘Master, your mina has earned five minas.’ 19 Likewise he said to him, ‘You also be over five cities.’

20 “Then another came, saying, ‘Master, here is your mina, which I have kept put away in a handkerchief. 21 For I feared you, because you are [f]an austere man. You collect what you did not deposit, and reap what you did not sow.’ 22 And he said to him, ‘Out of your own mouth I will judge you, you wicked servant. You knew that I was an austere man, collecting what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow. 23 Why then did you not put my money in the bank, that at my coming I might have collected it with interest?’

24 “And he said to those who stood by, ‘Take the mina from him, and give it to him who has ten minas.’ 25 (But they said to him, ‘Master, he has ten minas.’) 26 ‘For I say to you, that to everyone who has will be given; and from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him.

27 But bring here those enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, and slay them before me.’ ”

Sorry but jesus returns to earth, judges the nations, restores the earth and have people live and repopulate the planet for 1000. He brings His kingdom down when He returns.

If you want the many many verses for Gods Word that p[roves this- Just ask and I will gladly post them for you.

 

[JohnDB]

The things of this world are but a temporary shadow of the reality that exists in Heaven.

Time, the first thing God created right after God's plan for our redemption has a beginning and an end. It is not a morbeus strip or without beginning or end.

So let's first understand that our understanding of a place that exists outside of time is not within our grasp. Our understanding is based upon past experiences....and we simply do not have the capacity or experiences in our current form.

New Heaven and NEW Earth.
ALL former things shall pass away.
Gonna be different for sure.

So I can NOT tell you anything beyond what scripture says.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so a 1000 yr reign on this earth is false


No, not false.

Jesus’ Kingdom is not of this world….YET!

FACT of what Jesus Taught shortly after beginning His ministry…
Teaching gathered crowds WHO, HOW and WHAT for men to PRAY…

Matt. 6:
[9] After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
[10] Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

FACTof what WAS Trueon the day JESUS spoke.
John 18:
[36] Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

FACT
From God, to Christ Jesus, to a holy Angel Servant, to Apostle John, to this Worlds’ Interested Occupants.

Rev 1:
[1] The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

Rev 19:
[11]I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
[12] His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
[13] And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
[14] And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
[15] And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
[16] And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
[17] And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

Rev 20:
[4] And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and …

they ON Earth and they IN Heaven returned to Earth

[4]… which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and “they”… lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Not Knowing WHAT “not now means”…
OR the Timing Context of “now” being while Jesus WAS Present ON Earth…
OR
WHAT Jesus taught men to PRAY For
OR
WHAT was Revealed…SHALL Come…

Proves your Claims IN DIRECT Contrast to Gods Word.

Glory to God,
Taken

You don't understand what He meant when He said His kingdom is not of this world. He was saying that His kingdom is not worldly. It is not like this world's evil kingdoms.

Jesus saying that His kingdom is not of this world should be understood in the same sense as Him saying that His followers are not of the world even though we are in the world.

John 17:11 Now I am no longer in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to You. Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are. 12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in Your name. Those whom You gave Me I have kept; and none of them is lost except the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled. 13 But now I come to You, and these things I speak in the world, that they may have My joy fulfilled in themselves. 14 I have given them Your word; and the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world.

Jesus said He and His followers were not of the world even though they were in the world. Likewise, His kingdom is in the world, but not of the world. Being "of the world" means you are worldly and follow the world's standards instead of God's standards.

John 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. 19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

We are in Christ's kingdom spiritually right now.

Colossians 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: