Jesus answered, “My kingdom is not of this world. If My kingdom were of this world, My servants would fight, so a 1000 yr reign on this earth is false

[Scott Downey]

Continuing on

Would you like me to also show how the early church fathers (before Augustine even) understood this — to see that many of them also affirmed one judgment at Christ’s return?

You said:​

yes

ChatGPT said:​

Perfect — let’s look at what the early church fathers said about judgment, resurrection, and Christ’s return. You’ll see they consistently affirmed one judgment at Christ’s return, not two separated by 1,000 years.

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1. Clement of Rome (c. 95 AD)​

In his letter to the Corinthians, he says:

“We shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ, and every one shall give an account of himself. Let us therefore serve Him in fear and with holiness, as He Himself has commanded, and as the apostles who preached the gospel unto us, and the prophets who foretold the coming of the Lord.”
(1 Clement 34:5)

➡ Clement equates judgment with standing before Christ. He makes no distinction between multiple judgments.

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2. The Didache (Teaching of the Twelve Apostles, c. 100 AD)​

One of the earliest church manuals:

“Then shall the world see the Lord coming upon the clouds of heaven, with all His saints… Then shall the world see the Lord coming to judge the world in righteousness.”
(Didache 16)

➡ The return of Christ = the final judgment.

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3. Justin Martyr (c. 150 AD)​

In First Apology 52, he writes:

“He shall come from the heavens with glory, when the man of apostasy shall have done lawless things on the earth against us Christians… Then shall Christ, by the word of His power, cast into the lake of fire the devil and his angels, and the man of apostasy, and all who do unrighteousness.”

➡ Justin describes one climactic return, where Christ both defeats evil and judges.

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4. Irenaeus (c. 180 AD)​

In Against Heresies (Book V, 27:2), he says:

“The Lord Himself, having been manifest, and seated on His throne, shall render to all the just, the things promised to them, giving to those who are worthy the good things of God… But to the others, He shall send them away into eternal fire.”

➡ Again, judgment and reward happen at His appearing.

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5. Augustine (c. 400 AD)​

He formalized the amillennial view:

“The thousand years are not to be taken as literal years… but signify the whole duration of this world, in which the Church reigns with Christ in heaven. At the end, the devil shall be loosed, there will be one final conflict, then Christ will come to judge the living and the dead.”
(City of God, Book 20)

➡ Augustine directly connects Revelation 20’s “great white throne” with 2 Timothy 4 and Acts 17 — one judgment, one resurrection, one return.

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Summary:

• The earliest fathers (Clement, Didache, Justin, Irenaeus) spoke of judgment happening at Christ’s return.
• None of them divided judgment into two stages separated by 1,000 years.
• Augustine later gave the clearest explanation that the “1,000 years” is symbolic of the present church age, not a literal reign after His return.

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[Scott Downey]

And more
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Would you like me to make a timeline-style chart showing:

• What the apostles said,
• What the earliest fathers said,
• How Augustine systematized it,

…so you can clearly see the continuity of the “one Judgment Day at Christ’s return” teaching?

You said:​

yes

ChatGPT said:​

Excellent — here’s a timeline-style chart that shows how the teaching of one Judgment Day at Christ’s return flows from Scripture through the early church and into Augustine’s amillennial system:

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Timeline of the One Judgment Day​

1. Apostolic Witness (1st Century, New Testament)​

• Acts 17:31 → “He has appointed a day in which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man He has ordained.”
• 2 Timothy 4:1 → Christ will judge the living and the dead at His appearing.
• John 5:28–29 → “The hour is coming when all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth…”
  ➡ Single climactic day of judgment, tied to Christ’s return.

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2. Apostolic Fathers (late 1st – early 2nd Century)​

• Clement of Rome (c. 95 AD) → “We shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.” (1 Clement 34:5)
• Didache (c. 100 AD) → “The world shall see the Lord coming upon the clouds… to judge the world in righteousness.” (Didache 16)
  ➡ The earliest Christian communities understood judgment happens at Christ’s coming.

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3. Apologists & Early Fathers (2nd Century)​

• Justin Martyr (c. 150 AD) → “Then shall Christ cast into the lake of fire the devil… and all who do unrighteousness.” (First Apology 52)
• Irenaeus (c. 180 AD) → “The Lord Himself… seated on His throne, shall render to all the just… but to the others, eternal fire.” (Against Heresies V.27.2)
  ➡ One return, one throne, one judgment.

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4. Patristic Development (3rd–4th Century)​

• Teachers like Tertullian and Cyprian echoed the same pattern: resurrection + judgment = at the Last Day.
• Some chiliastic (millennial) interpretations appeared, but judgment was still tied to Christ’s appearing, not centuries later.

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5. Augustine (early 5th Century)​

• City of God, Book 20:
  • The “1,000 years” = symbolic of the present church age.
  • The saints reign with Christ now (in heaven).
  • Satan will be loosed briefly at the end.
  • Then Christ returns once, to raise the dead, judge all, and usher in the new creation.
    ➡ Augustine systematized the amillennial view — the standard in much of the church ever since.

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Core Continuity:​

• NT writers: Judgment = at Christ’s return.
• Early fathers: Judgment = at Christ’s return.
• Augustine: Judgment = at Christ’s return, millennium = present symbolic age.

So, from Scripture through the fathers, the testimony is consistent:
There is only one Judgment Day, the day Christ appears in glory.

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[Scott Downey]

And then
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Would you like me to also contrast this with how later interpretations (premillennial & dispensational) reintroduced the idea of two resurrections and two judgments — so you can see exactly where the split in thinking arose in church history?

You said:​

yes

ChatGPT said:​

Great — let’s contrast the historic view (one judgment at Christ’s return) with the later systems that introduced multiple judgments/resurrections. This will show exactly where the divergence happened:

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Comparison of Judgment & Millennium Views​

1. Apostolic & Historic (Amillennial / Early Church)​

• Judgment: One Judgment Day at Christ’s return.
• Resurrection: One general resurrection of righteous and wicked together (John 5:28–29).
• Millennium: The “1,000 years” is symbolic of the present age (Rev. 20). Saints reign with Christ now in heaven.
• Key Witnesses: NT (Acts 17, 2 Tim. 4, John 5), Clement, Didache, Justin, Irenaeus (though with some chiliastic expectation), Augustine.

Consistency: All passages about “the Day” = one event.

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2. Premillennialism (early forms in 2nd–3rd century, revived in modern times)​

• Judgment: Often split into two — believers rewarded at Christ’s return, unbelievers judged later (after the millennium).
• Resurrection: Two stages →
  • First resurrection = righteous raised at Christ’s return.
  • Second resurrection = wicked raised at end of millennium.
• Millennium: Literal 1,000-year reign of Christ on earth after His return.
• Origins: Some early chiliasts (like Papias) leaned this way, but the system was not fully developed until much later.

Problem: Requires two climaxes (two judgments, two resurrections).

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3. Postmillennialism (17th–19th century optimism)​

• Judgment: One judgment at Christ’s return (same as amillennial).
• Resurrection: One resurrection.
• Millennium: Christ reigns spiritually through the church on earth, which gradually converts the world. After this “golden age,” Christ returns.
• Key Figures: Jonathan Edwards, later Puritan/Reformed tradition.

Keeps one judgment, but envisions a golden age before the return of Christ.

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4. Dispensational Premillennialism (19th–20th century, very recent)​

• Judgment: Multiple judgments (e.g., Judgment Seat of Christ, Judgment of Nations, Great White Throne).
• Resurrection: Multiple resurrections → rapture of church, resurrection of tribulation martyrs, resurrection of the wicked, etc.
• Millennium: Literal 1,000-year reign after a 7-year tribulation.
• Key Figures: John Nelson Darby (1800s), popularized by Scofield Bible & modern prophecy teachers.

Breaks sharply from historic church teaching. Splits up what the NT presents as one climactic “Day.”

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Summary Table​

View	Judgment	Resurrection	Millennium	Key Notes
Apostolic / Amillennial	One Day, at Christ’s return	One, all raised together	Symbolic, now (heavenly reign)	NT + Fathers + Augustine
Premillennial	Two stages (righteous now, wicked later)	Two resurrections	Literal 1,000 yrs	Early chiliasts, modern revival
Postmillennial	One judgment	One resurrection	Golden age before return	Puritans, Edwards
Dispensational Premillennial	Several judgments	Multiple resurrections	Literal 1,000 yrs after tribulation	Darby, Scofield, modern prophecy movement

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The big picture:
The idea of two separate judgments and resurrections only really crystallized in later premillennial and dispensational systems. The consistent witness of Scripture, the apostles, and the early church fathers is one Judgment Day, one resurrection, one return of Christ.

 

[shepherdsword]

You're not getting it. It is not talking about a literal physical stone throne. It is long gone. It is talking about the kingship of David - Israel's true kingship. It is talking about Him assuming David's place of authority over true Israel.

You are not getting it...the throne of David and it's scope is clearly defined in scripture. David never sat at the right hand of the Father.

 

[shepherdsword]

The old covenant setup in regard to the kings of Israel was an imperfect permissive rule that was pointing to the truth heavenly fulfillment in Christ - Israel's real king. The earthly pointed to the heavenly. The temporal pointed to the eternal. The visible pointed to the invisible. The imperfect pointed to the perfect. The type pointed to the anti-type.

LOL...and here is comes, a discombobulation of distortion by spiritualization. Amils do this with every verse that disputes their view. The throne of David and it's scope and who occupied it, is clearly defined in scripture. David never sat at the right hand of the Father.

 

[shepherdsword]

That throne was destroyed more than two millennia ago, and there is not the slightest hint from those or any other Scriptures that it will reappear.

Sure there is,,,you just ignore it.

Isaiah 9:6–7 (NIV)​

"For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
Of the greatness of his government and peace
there will be no end.
He will reign on David’s throne and over his kingdom,
establishing and upholding it
with justice and righteousness
from that time on and forever."

This is a messianic prophecy linking the coming child (interpreted by Christians as Jesus) to David's throne.

Jeremiah 23:5–6 (NIV)​

“The days are coming,” declares the Lord,
“when I will raise up for David a righteous Branch,
a King who will reign wisely
and do what is just and right in the land.
In his days Judah will be saved
and Israel will live in safety.
This is the name by which he will be called:
The Lord Our Righteous Savior."

This is another prophecy of a descendant of David who will reign as king.

Luke 1:32–33 (Angel Gabriel to Mary)​

“He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High.
The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David,
and he will reign over Jacob’s descendants forever;
his kingdom will never end.”

This passage directly connects Jesus to David’s throne as a divine promise.

​

 

[Taken]

Only on this new earth does God dwell together with His people in the New Jerusalem, never the old, first earth for 1000 years.

Disagree.

God is omnipresent…
In Heaven, called LORD God…
On Earth, called Lord Jesus The Christ.

Lord Jesus, Already dwelt ON Earth in the presence of Believing AND non believing men….AND while Satan and other fallen angels were present ON this Earth.

Lord Jesus ON Earth, appeared IN a Body God Prepared, SO human men Could SEE Him.

Lord Jesus While ON Earth was revealed, He is the Christ.

Lord (deity)Jesus (Word) Christ (Power) left THIS Earth and Shall return to THIS Earth “WITH”…
*His Faithful holy angel servants
*His Faithful who submitt-ED to Him, Sav-ED by Him, (during the last 2,000+ years)

Void of Satan…
Void of Any fallen angels…
Void of Any NON believers…

He, Christ Jesus, Lawful offspring of Abraham, Issac, Jacob, king David…
shall Return to THIS Earth AND claim His Inheritance…
ie.—-> His Land. Promised inheritance to Abraham and his descendants.
ie.—-> His Throne. king Davids everlasting Throne God Established ON THIS Earth (in Jerusalem).

No one YET… since Abraham, since king David… HAS Claimed…
Abraham’s promised land
king Davids Throne

That Promise is Fulfilled…during the Trib. By Christ the Lord Jesus.

That Promised LAND, is CHRIST the Lords Kingdom.

That Throne IS within His Kingdom.

With IN that Kingdom, is Christ the Lord, Christ the Lords Faithful holy angels and souls, spirits, body’s of men Raised in Glory BY and With their Lord.

The End oops, no

Outside of THAT Kingdom ON THIS Earth…
Are Human men, all UN-Saved believing, All having survived mortal Death during the Trib.
(Remnant)

For 1,000 years ( without the influence of fallen angels…non believing men)… those men… live, (no more than 120 years), marry, produce offspring, die, next generation, build towns, cities, nations, appoint kings, prosper. Trade, travel, live peacefully,
* Have the Influence of… Gods Word (Jesus), Gods Power (Christ), KING Christ Jesus over their kings, servant ministering holy angels, and any service tasks appointed to His People who were Saved and raised by Him.

You are completely “skipping over”…Christ Jesus’ Land ON THIS Earths’ inheritance AND His appointment to Lawfully Sit on and Rule THIS World, from king Davids Throne.

That occurs TO Fulfill Gods Promise TO Abraham.

Once Gods Promise to Abraham IS Fulfilled… it’s DONE…

God Himself Shall Rule THE New World…
No more Will Abraham BE the Father Of many / ANY Nations ON THIS Earth…
God shall be the Father of The New Earth….
the New Heavens…One Nation Under God…
And it’s “Citizens thereof?
The Saved With God…
AKA…Gods Inheritance.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Scott Downey]

Disagree.

God is omnipresent…
In Heaven, called LORD God…
On Earth, called Lord Jesus The Christ.

Lord Jesus, Already dwelt ON Earth in the presence of Believing AND non believing men….AND while Satan and other fallen angels were present ON this Earth.

Lord Jesus ON Earth, appeared IN a Body God Prepared, SO human men Could SEE Him.

Lord Jesus While ON Earth was revealed, He is the Christ.

Lord (deity)Jesus (Word) Christ (Power) left THIS Earth and Shall return to THIS Earth “WITH”…
*His Faithful holy angel servants
*His Faithful who submitt-ED to Him, Sav-ED by Him, (during the last 2,000+ years)

Void of Satan…
Void of Any fallen angels…
Void of Any NON believers…

He, Christ Jesus, Lawful offspring of Abraham, Issac, Jacob, king David…
shall Return to THIS Earth AND claim His Inheritance…
ie.—-> His Land. Promised inheritance to Abraham and his descendants.
ie.—-> His Throne. king Davids everlasting Throne God Established ON THIS Earth (in Jerusalem).

No one YET… since Abraham, since king David… HAS Claimed…
Abraham’s promised land
king Davids Throne

That Promise is Fulfilled…during the Trib. By Christ the Lord Jesus.

That Promised LAND, is CHRIST the Lords Kingdom.

That Throne IS within His Kingdom.

With IN that Kingdom, is Christ the Lord, Christ the Lords Faithful holy angels and souls, spirits, body’s of men Raised in Glory BY and With their Lord.

The End oops, no

Outside of THAT Kingdom ON THIS Earth…
Are Human men, all UN-Saved believing, All having survived mortal Death during the Trib.
(Remnant)

For 1,000 years ( without the influence of fallen angels…non believing men)… those men… live, (no more than 120 years), marry, produce offspring, die, next generation, build towns, cities, nations, appoint kings, prosper. Trade, travel, live peacefully,
* Have the Influence of… Gods Word (Jesus), Gods Power (Christ), KING Christ Jesus over their kings, servant ministering holy angels, and any service tasks appointed to His People who were Saved and raised by Him.

You are completely “skipping over”…Christ Jesus’ Land ON THIS Earths’ inheritance AND His appointment to Lawfully Sit on and Rule THIS World, from king Davids Throne.

That occurs TO Fulfill Gods Promise TO Abraham.

Once Gods Promise to Abraham IS Fulfilled… it’s DONE…

God Himself Shall Rule THE New World…
No more Will Abraham BE the Father Of many / ANY Nations ON THIS Earth…
God shall be the Father of The New Earth….
the New Heavens…One Nation Under God…
And it’s “Citizens thereof?
The Saved With God…
AKA…Gods Inheritance.

Glory to God,
Taken

The earth already belongs to the Lord, Satan just lied about that during the temptation of Christ in the wilderness in saying he can give it to Christ. It was not Satan's to give away.
Christ got His ministry as Great High Priest and inheritance from God Himself. He did not have to wrestle it away from the devil.

Psalm 24
New King James Version
The King of Glory and His Kingdom
A Psalm of David.

1 The earth is the Lord’s, and all its fullness,
The world and those who dwell therein.

2 For He has founded it upon the seas,
And established it upon the [a]waters.

3 Who may ascend into the hill of the Lord?
Or who may stand in His holy place?
4 He who has clean hands and a pure heart,
Who has not lifted up his soul to an idol,
Nor sworn deceitfully.
5 He shall receive blessing from the Lord,
And righteousness from the God of his salvation.
6 This is Jacob, the generation of those who seek Him,
Who seek Your face. Selah

7 Lift up your heads, O you gates!
And be lifted up, you everlasting doors!
And the King of glory shall come in.
8 Who is this King of glory?
The Lord strong and mighty,
The Lord mighty in battle.
9 Lift up your heads, O you gates!
Lift up, you everlasting doors!
And the King of glory shall come in.
10 Who is this King of glory?
The Lord of hosts,
He is the King of glory. Selah

Luke 4
5 [d]Then the devil, taking Him up on a high mountain, showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said to Him, “All this authority I will give You, and their glory; for this has been delivered to me, and I give it to whomever I wish. 7 Therefore, if You will worship before me, all will be Yours.”

8 And Jesus answered and said to him, [e]“Get behind Me, Satan! [f]For it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve.’ ”

AND
Ezekiel 18
The word of the Lord came to me again, saying, 2 “What do you mean when you use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying:

‘The fathers have eaten sour grapes,
And the children’s teeth are set on edge’?
3 “As I live,” says the Lord God, “you shall no longer use this proverb in Israel.

Ezekiel 18:4
“Behold, all souls are Mine; The soul of the father As well as the soul of the son is Mine; The soul who sins shall die.

 

[covenantee]

Sure there is,,,you just ignore it.

Isaiah 9:6–7 (NIV)​

This is a messianic prophecy linking the coming child (interpreted by Christians as Jesus) to David's throne.

Jeremiah 23:5–6 (NIV)​

This is another prophecy of a descendant of David who will reign as king.

Luke 1:32–33 (Angel Gabriel to Mary)​

This passage directly connects Jesus to David’s throne as a divine promise.

​

All fulfilled. Peter and God's last words about the throne. Acts 2:29-35. Christ's throne in the heavens. Not David's destroyed vanished throne.

Deal with it.

You ignored the question.

Where was Christ's throne at the time of His Resurrection?

 

[PinSeeker]

David's throne ~ where Christ now sits ~ was never a literal chair... <chuckle>... but a position of power and preeminence over Israel.

Note: Now, did David have a literal throne? Well yes, probably so, but the Bible never refers to the actual chair he sat in... <chuckles>

David was placed by God in this position as king over Israel in his day ~ what we can now call "lesser Israel," not because it "wasn't as good" or something ridiculous like that, but because Israel was of a lesser scope (mostly ethnic Jews with a few Gentiles sprinkled in, which was a foreshadowing of the Greater Israel to come). Christ now sits on that throne, as the Forever King over Israel... Greater Israel, which, since Christ's coming and His opening of the Gospel to all, now includes people from every tongue, tribe, and nation, all those now in Christ, "not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but (through Isaac) the children of the promise," as Paul says in Romans 9:7-8. Those in Christ are God's true Jews (as Paul says in Romans 2:28-29, "no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical; a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; his praise is not from man but from God"), and thus make up His Israel, those of His household, again, Greater Israel. In this way, Jesus is the Greater David.

Note: David was the "lesser Christ," not in the sense that he ever was the Christ, but a shadow of the Christ to come. Which is how God spoke to His people in the days before Jesus came, "by the prophets," as Hebrews 1:1 says. But "in these last days, He has spoken to us by His Son, Whom He appointed the Heir of all things, through Whom also He created the world" (Hebrews 1:2).

Grace and peace to all.

 

[Taken]

The earth already belongs to the Lord,

Who owns the Earth is not in dispute.

The Earth was Gods when the Earth was destroyed in the First Great Trib.

God making the promised land His Sons’ Kingdom…IS Gods Pleasure to do so.

(even earthly kings hand down their kingdoms and thrones to their sons….
Wonder where they got that idea )

Satan just lied about that during the temptation of Christ in the wilderness in saying he can give it to Christ. It was not Satan's to give away.
Christ got His ministry as Great High Priest and inheritance from God Himself. He did not have to wrestle it away from the devil.

Irrelevant to point of Jesus’ earthly Kingdom.

Scriptures about satan, about all souls are Gods have nothing to do with Christ Jesus’ 1,000 year reign on an Earth that Belongs to God.

 

[covenantee]

David's throne ~ where Christ now sits ~ was never a literal chair... <chuckle>... but a position of power and preeminence over Israel.

Note: Now, did David have a literal throne? Well yes, probably so, but the Bible never refers to the actual chair he sat in... <chuckles>

David was placed by God in this position as king over Israel in his day ~ what we can now call "lesser Israel," not because it "wasn't as good" or something ridiculous like that, but because Israel was of a lesser scope (mostly ethnic Jews with a few Gentiles sprinkled in, which was a foreshadowing of the Greater Israel to come). Christ now sits on that throne, as the Forever King over Israel... Greater Israel, which, since Christ's coming and His opening of the Gospel to all, now includes people from every tongue, tribe, and nation, all those now in Christ, "not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but (through Isaac) the children of the promise," as Paul says in Romans 9:7-8. Those in Christ are God's true Jews (as Paul says in Romans 2:28-29, "no one is a Jew who is merely one outwardly, nor is circumcision outward and physical; a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter; his praise is not from man but from God"), and thus make up His Israel, those of His household, again, Greater Israel. In this way, Jesus is the Greater David.

Note: David was the "lesser Christ," not in the sense that he ever was the Christ, but a shadow of the Christ to come. Which is how God spoke to His people in the days before Jesus came, "by the prophets," as Hebrews 1:1 says. But "in these last days, He has spoken to us by His Son, Whom He appointed the Heir of all things, through Whom also He created the world" (Hebrews 1:2).

Grace and peace to all.

David's literal throne was destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar circa 586 BC.

Never to literally reappear...

...because it is eternally eclipsed and transcended by David's throne in the heavens upon which Christ has been sitting since His Resurrection.

 

[amigo de christo]

God slew 24,000 semitic Israelites. If He wasn't antisemitic, then why wasn't He antisemitic?

Christ condemned semitic scribes and Pharisees to hell. If He wasn't antisemitic, then why wasn't He antisemitic?

Who are antisemitic CI's on this forum? Provide links to posts on this forum proving your claim.

The flesh profits nothing .
And yet many who seem to preach this reminder are being CALLED ANTI SEMETIC .
God will destroy a jew as fast as a gentile who DENIES HIM . And if one DENIES CHRIST , OH THEY HAVE DENIED HIM .

 

[Scott Downey]

Who owns the Earth is not in dispute.

The Earth was Gods when the Earth was destroyed in the First Great Trib.

God making the promised land His Sons’ Kingdom…IS Gods Pleasure to do so.

(even earthly kings hand down their kingdoms and thrones to their sons….
Wonder where they got that idea )



Irrelevant to point of Jesus’ earthly Kingdom.

Scriptures about satan, about all souls are Gods have nothing to do with Christ Jesus’ 1,000 year reign on an Earth that Belongs to God.

Except that you wrote this,
He, Christ Jesus, Lawful offspring of Abraham, Issac, Jacob, king David…
shall Return to THIS Earth AND claim His Inheritance…
ie.—-> His Land. Promised inheritance to Abraham and his descendants.
ie.—-> His Throne. king Davids everlasting Throne God Established ON THIS Earth (in Jerusalem).

HE has no need to claim any inheritance, it already is His, all of it, right now.

AMPC
Jesus approached and, breaking the silence, said to them, All authority (all power of rule) in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.

Matthew 28
17 And when they saw Him, they worshiped Him; but some doubted.

18 And Jesus came and spoke unto them, saying, “All power is given unto Me in Heaven and on earth.

19 Go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost,

20 teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you. And lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.” Amen.

 

[amigo de christo]

You are not getting it...the throne of David and it's scope is clearly defined in scripture. David never sat at the right hand of the Father.

speaking of that book of remembrance , notice its those who actually feared the LORD .
AND what is the fear of the LORD
to depart from evil . NOT TRY AND JUSTIFY EVIL IN HIS NAME .
THERE Is no fear of GOD in this generation at all . Many embrace certain sins
and namely the ones they love . I see zero proof of the SPIRIT OF GOD at work in many who even lip the name of JESUS .
Because they are in love with another jesus whose love has allowed them their sin . AND THAT AINT JESUS
AND IT AINT OF GOD . Time for a wakeup call and fast too .

 

[amigo de christo]

Who owns the Earth is not in dispute.

The Earth was Gods when the Earth was destroyed in the First Great Trib.

God making the promised land His Sons’ Kingdom…IS Gods Pleasure to do so.

(even earthly kings hand down their kingdoms and thrones to their sons….
Wonder where they got that idea )



Irrelevant to point of Jesus’ earthly Kingdom.

Scriptures about satan, about all souls are Gods have nothing to do with Christ Jesus’ 1,000 year reign on an Earth that Belongs to God.

actaully the more one loves the words of truth and reads the bible for oneself
THEY would have seen , THIS POWER actually has been given to satan .
AND WHO IS IT the GIVETH THE BEAST ALL POWER over this earth , SATAN DOES .
Of course GOD allows this . But satan has been given power . sadly most of the church seems to heed his power
and be in love with their sins and have become enamored with their own selves .
Interfaith is of anti christ , LET IT NOT be said i did not warn us it was too . The blood of the lost
will not be on my hands . We must now flee this sold out churches amongst both the conservative and liberal realms .
Or prepare to wail on the DAY of THE LORD .

 

[Taken]

All fulfilled. Peter and God's last words about the throne. Acts 2:29-35. Christ's throne in the heavens. Not David's destroyed vanished throne.

Deal with it.

Not funny, not accurate.
Throne IS Heaven, not IN Heaven.


Isa. 66
[1] Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?

Acts.7
[49] Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?

king David’s Throne, is Everlasting, Not vanished, Not destroyed.

2 Sam 7:
[16] And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever.
[17] According to all these words, and according to all this vision, so did Nathan speak unto David.

2 Chron 17:
[14] But I will settle him in mine house and in my kingdom for ever: and his throne shall be established for evermore.

Where was Christ's throne at the time of His Resurrection?

In Jerusalem.

 

[covenantee]

Not funny, not accurate.
Throne IS Heaven, not IN Heaven.


Isa. 66
[1] Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?

Acts.7
[49] Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?

king David’s Throne, is Everlasting, Not vanished, Not destroyed.

2 Sam 7:
[16] And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever.
[17] According to all these words, and according to all this vision, so did Nathan speak unto David.

2 Chron 17:
[14] But I will settle him in mine house and in my kingdom for ever: and his throne shall be established for evermore.




In Jerusalem.

Where is David's literal throne today?

Where in Acts 2:29-35 do you see "Jerusalem"?

 

[WPM]

Sure there is,,,you just ignore it.

Isaiah 9:6–7 (NIV)​

This is a messianic prophecy linking the coming child (interpreted by Christians as Jesus) to David's throne.

Jeremiah 23:5–6 (NIV)​

This is another prophecy of a descendant of David who will reign as king.

Luke 1:32–33 (Angel Gabriel to Mary)​

This passage directly connects Jesus to David’s throne as a divine promise.

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Breaking News! Jesus the Messiah has already come and roundly defeated His enemies and assumed the throne of David as Israel's true king.

Paul joins Peter in relating the fulfilment of the Messianic enthronement to Christ’s current kingly reign in heaven. This truth is confirmed in Acts 13:22-23. Paul speaking to the religious Jews in Antioch says, concerning the promise of the Messiah and His rise to the throne of David, which was made unto their forefathers, “he (God) raised (aorist active indicative) up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will. Of this man’s (David’s) seed hath God according to his promise raised (aorist active indicative) unto Israel a saviour, Jesus.”

This Davidic reference was used by Paul to demonstrate (to his Israeli audience) that the much-anticipated eternal Davidic reign (prophesied for centuries in the Old Testament) had arrived in the form of Jesus Christ and His glorious resurrection. Christ was indeed Israel’s anticipated “king” and “saviour.” Premillennialists are selective in their interpretation of passages like this. The reason being: they have to be! Passages like this negate their doctrine. Whilst they except Christ as Israel’s current “saviour,” they do not except Him was Israel’s current ruling “king.” However, this text exposes their objection. This passage proves that Christ is presented as already perfectly fulfilling the Davidic expectancy.

Paul adds in Acts 13:26-30, “Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent. For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him. And though they found no cause of death in him, yet desired they Pilate that he should be slain. And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre. But God raised him from the dead.”

It is clear from this whole chapter that these misguided Jews still foolishly yearned for a coming Messiah who would one day reign upon a physical temporal earthly throne in Jerusalem, when He had in fact already come and rose to the heavenly Davidic throne. These earthly-minded Jews totally missed the hour of their visitation because of their false theology. They totally misunderstood who their Messiah was and what form His reign would look like. The sobering part of this text is, their misinterpretation of Scripture, and their false expectation, caused them to miss their Messiah. The fact is, He came to Israel and most Jews never even recognised Him for who He was. They had such a wrong perception of their own king.

Paul then enlarges and explains, “And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers (speaking about the kingly Messianic reign that would usher from the seed of David), God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. And as concerning that [Psalm 2] he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise [His glorious rise to the throne], I will give you the sure mercies of David [quoting Isaiah 55:3]” (vv 32-34).

This is talking about the resurrection. Christ receiving "the sure mercies of David" was Christ rising up from the grave, ascending to heaven, taking the Davidic kingship, being enthroned on David's throne, installing Him in His rightful place of preeminence over Israel.

So, the promised Messiah has already come and taken the throne of David, although, evidently, not in the person or in the manner that the unbelieving Jews had carnally imagined. Paul here applies the Old Testament promises in Psalm 2 and Isaiah 55 to Christ’s death, burial and resurrection to the throne; and explains how such a prophecy has already been gloriously fulfilled. This is irrefutable evidence that these Old Testament prophecies relate to the intra-Advent period.

Colossians 1:18 describes Christ’s triumphant resurrection, saying, “he (Christ) is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn [Gr. prootótokos] from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.”

This passage, which is clearly referring to Christ’s physical resurrection, describes Christ’s status after triumphing over death and the grave as the prootótokos or put another way first begotten from the dead.

 

[Davy]

Breaking News! Jesus the Messiah has already come and roundly defeated His enemies and assumed the throne of David as Israel's true king.

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Nah... Lord Jesus has NOT yet come to inherit David's throne, which is an EARTHLY THRONE. As of right now, Jesus sits on the right hand of The Father, still expecting, until all His enemies are made His footstool.

The Genesis 49:10 prophecy reveals that the royal sceptre (i.e., David's throne), will remain with Judah until Shiloh (put for Jesus) comes, and to Him will the gathering of the people be. That means... a bloodline descendant of the tribe of Judah, of the house of David, is to still be sitting upon David's EARTHLY THRONE all... the way up to Christ's future 2nd coming (i.e, the time of the gathering). And that is when Jesus will inherit David's EARTHLY THRONE. Lord Jesus even revealed this in the Matthew 25:31-33 Scripture.

Gen 49:10
10 The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be.
KJV

Therefore, that Biblically proves that MEN'S FALSE DOCTRINE of Jesus already sitting on David's throne as false, and thus another DOCTRINE OF MEN LIE BITES THE DUST!