Jesus became Immortal

[Hiddenthings]

Ok, look- once again I will tell you that I have not discussed anything about the author of life with you. All that I have done is supply verses that went with your statement, although I have no idea why you made the statement to me to begin with. Maybe you need to review who you spoke with because it was not me. Why don't you pay attention to what I say?

Apologies for that, just a note: I was in a heated discussion with @bdavidc and mistakenly took you for him/her.

And once again, my issue with you and all Uni's is that you deny that the Word who was with God is who became flesh and is Jesus-- by denying His preexistence even though I supplied you with clear statements that show that He indeed preexisted.

This is the core issue: throughout this thread, we've identified numerous verses that clearly show life being granted to Jesus. If you're willing to engage with these passages, or if you'd like me to resend them, I'm more than happy to do so.

Please don’t fall into the trap of defining the glorified Lord and projecting that identity back before his birth, that simply won’t hold. The original post is clear and has already presented the evidence, particularly as addressed in Acts 2:26–29.

You can either accept those as truth, or you can talk them away and continue in your delusions. This is my second warning to you to stop spreading your fiction.

Your warnings carry no weight, as the Word has already revealed what is true. If you choose to ignore that evidence, the responsibility lies with you, not with me.

Uni's, Jws etc all get hung up on the humanity of Jesus. Of course He was had a human nature and flesh- and of course He obeyed, and of course He was tempted, and of course He ate, slept, drank and wept, prayed and felt pain and sicknesses etc LIKE us! His mother was a human like us. He humbled Himself and became obedient . Why can't you see that? Philippians

God is not obedient to God. God did not become a servant, His Son did.

You deny that He was not only JUST like you- because the power of the Most High overshadowed His mother and she conceived Him. Your father and mine were of the earth- the dust. LIKE ADAM. The Son of God is TRULY the Son of God- biologically. You blather on about Adam while ignoring that Paul knew Jesus came from heaven and Adam was from the dust.
1 Cor 15:47-The first man is from the earth, earthy; the second man is from heaven.
Paul distinguishes between the two MEN. You don't believe Paul.

Did the flesh man come from heaven? Do you believe Jesus was a mortal man from Heaven? I think you will find Paul is teaching that the man was born from Heaven. If you cannot discern the meaning of "from Heaven", I can show you everything Holy and Pure comes from Heaven, New Jerusalem, The Eternal Life when Christ returns etc.

If God wanted to adopt a son He could have had Joseph father him. But God chose not to adopt a son as He adopts us-
This UNIQUE Son of God is the Word who became flesh.
The Word was with God
The Word became flesh John 1:14
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God. For many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2By this you will know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,
1 John 4:1-2

Jesus came in the flesh. Same writer- The Word became flesh.
FLESH does not mean he had only a human nature only- as you presume- it means The Word came in a body of FLESH!
Gnostics denied that Jesus Christ had a body of flesh! They saw material as evil. John expounds to them by saying "we saw and touched him".---HIS FLESH. John touched the Word of Life in the flesh. 1 John 1

And how did that flesh become full of Grace and Truth?

Hebrews 5:9“And being made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him.”

John 1 is speaking to the New Spiritual Creation in Christ Jesus after he suffered in sin's flesh and overcame it (being made) - the process of "being made perfect" teaches you that something in Jesus was imperfect, that salvation was required.

What was that?

I've removed all following statements to keep the focus on the original post and the verses that clearly state Christ was made and became.

If you're unable to address this directly perhaps due to holding error, then it may be best to step away from the discussion.

 

[Hiddenthings]

read your bible again from the beginning you know NOTHING! this is atrocious borderline blaphemy!

If you cannot engage with the text what does that say about the above response?

 

[Hiddenthings]

God did not condemn sin "in whom".

8 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. Ro 8:1.

So where did God condemn sin?

 

[Hiddenthings]

Your argument is that Jesus didn't mean what He said. I get that.

On the contrary he meant precisely what he said. His preeminence was well before Abraham.

You know this to be true Marks but something in your understanding is driving another unsupported interpretation.

 

[David in NJ]

8 There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. Ro 8:1.

So where did God condemn sin?

EXCELLENT

Now let us continue in allowing the the words of God to show us the Way, the Truth and the Life

i SEE you excellent point which is this:

If God condemned sin in the flesh, upon the Body of Christ, then His flesh was made sin for us and needed to be cleansed.

Is this the point you are exploring?

 

[Hiddenthings]

Many Faithful Witnesses have been speaking to you but you are not listening neither are you reading the scriptures from a pure heart.

JESUS did not need to be cleansed from sin.

Luke 24:39 proves that.

Correct David so how did God condemn sin on the nature of Jesus Christ?

You know the answer.

 

[Hiddenthings]

EXCELLENT

Now let us continue in allowing the the words of God to show us the Way, the Truth and the Life

i SEE you excellent point which is this:

If God condemned sin in the flesh, upon the Body of Christ, then His flesh was made sin for us and needed to be cleansed.

Is this the point you are exploring?

You and I both agree Jesus did not sin - agreed?

Romans 6:10 (ESV): “For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God.”

Explain then how did Jesus die to sin once?

What made him die to sin?

 

[David in NJ]

Correct David so how did God condemn sin on the nature of Jesus Christ?

You know the answer.

YES, i know the TRUTH which is the only correct answer.

#1 TRUTH - JESUS never sinned = 2 Cor 5:21 & 1Peter 2:21-25
For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:

“Who committed no sin,
Nor was deceit found in His mouth”;
who, when He was reviled, did not revile in return; when He suffered, He did not threaten, but committed Himself to Him who judges righteously; who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed.
For you were like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.

 

[David in NJ]

You and I both agree Jesus did not sin - agreed?

Romans 6:10 (ESV): “For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God.”

Explain then how did Jesus die to sin once?

What made him die to sin?

#1 TRUTH - JESUS never sinned = 2 Cor 5:21 & 1Peter 2:21-25

For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:

“Who committed no sin,
Nor was deceit found in His mouth”;
who, when He was reviled, did not revile in return; when He suffered, He did not threaten, but committed Himself to Him who judges righteously; who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed.
For you were like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls

Do you AGREE with these scriptures???

 

[Hiddenthings]

#1 TRUTH - JESUS never sinned = 2 Cor 5:21 & 1Peter 2:21-25

For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:

“Who committed no sin,
Nor was deceit found in His mouth”;
who, when He was reviled, did not revile in return; when He suffered, He did not threaten, but committed Himself to Him who judges righteously; who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed.
For you were like sheep going astray, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls

Do you AGREE with these scriptures???

David,

Why are you still proving Jesus never sinned when we both agree on this point?

Romans 6:10 (ESV): “For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God.”

Explain then how did Jesus die to sin once?

What made him die to sin?

 

[David in NJ]

David,

Why are you still proving Jesus never sinned when we both agree on this point?

Romans 6:10 (ESV): “For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God.”

Explain then how did Jesus die to sin once?

What made him die to sin?

for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Hebrews 12:2

 

[David in NJ]

David,

Why are you still proving Jesus never sinned when we both agree on this point?

Romans 6:10 (ESV): “For the death he died he died to sin, once for all, but the life he lives he lives to God.”

Explain then how did Jesus die to sin once?

What made him die to sin?

Post 111 is only the Beginning

Talk with you tomorrow

Good Night

 

[Hiddenthings]

for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.
Hebrews 12:2

That’s true, but I also know you understand what I’m asking you to acknowledge: the truth about Christ’s nature and the victory God accomplished through Him.

We have established there is NOW no condemnation in Christ Jesus

We know and understand that God condemned sin in the nature of Christ but you are still yet to acknowledge the how.

 

[PS95]

This is the core issue: throughout this thread, we've identified numerous verses that clearly show life being granted to Jesus. If you're willing to engage with these passages, or if you'd like me to resend them, I'm more than happy to do so.

Please don’t fall into the trap of defining the glorified Lord and projecting that identity back before his birth, that simply won’t hold. The original post is clear and has already presented the evidence, particularly as addressed in Acts 2:26–29.


Your warnings carry no weight, as the Word has already revealed what is true. If you choose to ignore that evidence, the responsibility lies with you, not with me.

God is not obedient to God. God did not become a servant, His Son did.


Did the flesh man come from heaven? Do you believe Jesus was a mortal man from Heaven? I think you will find Paul is teaching that the man was born from Heaven. If you cannot discern the meaning of "from Heaven", I can show you everything Holy and Pure comes from Heaven, New Jerusalem, The Eternal Life when Christ returns etc.



And how did that flesh become full of Grace and Truth?

Hebrews 5:9“And being made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him.”

John 1 is speaking to the New Spiritual Creation in Christ Jesus after he suffered in sin's flesh and overcame it (being made) - the process of "being made perfect" teaches you Jesus that something in Jesus was imperfect that salvation was required.

What was that?

I've removed all following statements to keep the focus on the original post and the verses that clearly state Christ was made and became.
If you're unable to address this directly perhaps due to holding error, then it may be best to step away from the discussion.

If you think it's best that I step away I will. I will not let you go on and on without admitting that the verses I have provided- which you ignore- prove that the Word who was with God became flesh and dwelt among us. I have shown you that He pre-existed in heaven. I will not lay off of that topic with you because to do so would be fruitless. I have no issues with "Jesus became" or "was made to" as I am fully aware that Jesus shared humanity with us, as I have already explained. So, yes if those are your terms I'm out.

 

[Hiddenthings]

If God condemned sin in the flesh, upon the Body of Christ, then His flesh was made sin for us and needed to be cleansed.

Cleansed might not be the right word as such.

What was wrong with Christ's nature that it needed to be changed?

 

[Hiddenthings]

If you think it's best that I step away I will. I will not let you go on and on without admitting that the verses I have provided- which you ignore- prove that the Word who was with God became flesh and dwelt among us.

I believe in the power of God's Word going forth and accomplishing His purpose through and in Christ. However, you impose interpretations onto John 1:1 that simply aren’t there, and you overlook how Christ became the Word made flesh.

This is why I'm holding you to what has been shown from prophecies such a Psalm 21:4 and quoted by Jesus in John 5:26 and confirmed by the Apostle Paul!

"The Father has life in Himself, and He has granted the Son also to have life in Himself."

The word granted is key to the teaching you need to address, along with the many other verses that show the apostles clearly understood that Jesus became immortal.

If you can engage with these texts directly, without diverting or imposing preconceived interpretations onto other scriptures, then we have much to discuss!

I have shown you that He pre-existed in heaven.

No, that's like your hope, Jesus was born from Heaven!

You are no different

"Our hope is anchored behind the curtain, firm and secure, where Jesus has entered on our behalf." Heb 6:19

It appears your understanding of Hebrews 6 is a weakness, would I be right in saying this?

The only difference comparing you with the Lord Jesus Christ is he was given conception by the Holy Spirit Power.

Christs eternal nature and reward (inheritance) also came from behind the curtain which God tore.

I will not lay off of that topic with you because to do so would be fruitless. I have no issues with "Jesus became" or "was made to" as I am fully aware that Jesus shared humanity with us, as I have already explained. So, yes if those are your terms I'm out.

The part I've highlighted in red is precisely where your argument falls apart. If I were to examine your comment more closely, I’d have to point out that there’s an element of self deception and inconsistency (if not dishonesty) not because your view conflicts with mine, but because it contradicts the apostles' clear teaching about the true nature of Christ and the reward he received for his obedience.

Right now, you're not making a distinction between Christ in the flesh and the glorified, risen Christ (you actually can't).

It might be best for you to revisit those earlier posts, which present the correct understanding of how Christ was glorified. Once you've reflected on those, you can come back and engage meaningfully with “Jesus became” or “was made perfect”

But thank you for taking part in the discussion.

 

[pandaflower]

You’ve read in Romans 8:3 that God sent His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh.

So how can you claim this isn’t in Scripture when you’ve already acknowledged it?

What you seem unwilling to address is the reason why.

Why would God choose to achieve victory in sinful flesh?

You also need to explain why Jesus had to die to sin once, and how that took place.

And further, you must answer how sin was represented in the body of Jesus such that your sins were carried to the cross with him.

You’ve got some serious thinking to do!

Jesus was without sin. Jesus did not have a sin nature.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Jesus was without sin. Jesus did not have a sin nature.

What David and I are discussing is Romans 8:1-3 which states 2 clear truths

1. Now there is no more condemnation (nature) in Christ Jesus
2. God condemn sin in Christ's nature (removed it!)

Your simplistic view is not what the Word teaches and is again confirming you hold "another gospel"

 

[LoveYeshua]

If you cannot engage with the text what does that say about the above response?

I did engage with your posts, you understand nothing, you need to press your memory reset button forget everything you know about religion and read the bible again with a clear mind and an open heart, until you do you will remain the same.

 

[Hiddenthings]

I did engage with your posts, you understand nothing, you need to press your memory reset button forget everything you know about religion and read the bible again with a clear mind and an open heart, until you do you will remain the same.

As you well know, much in this thread challenges the traditional understanding of the Gospel. If you're confident that these verses and facts are incorrect, then addressing them directly should be straightforward. I think you'd agree that those who have attempted to do so have failed, and many, yourself included, haven't made any real attempt at all.