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Featured Jesus Christ Prophesied He Will Not Return Until This Happens - Matthew 23:39

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  1. Retrobyter

    Retrobyter Well-Known Member

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    Shalom, Reggie.

    One should get away from the "another 'Jesus Christ' " that you propose and get back to the "Yeshua` haMashiyach" or "Yeshua` the Messiah" you've forgotten.

    Luke 24:36-42 (KJV)
    36And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst (in the middle) of them, and saith unto them,

    "Peace be unto you."
    37But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit (a ghost). 38And he said unto them,
    "Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? 39Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not (a ghost doesn't have) flesh and bones, as ye see me have."
    40And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet. 41And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them,
    "Have ye here any meat?"
    42And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. 43And he took it, and did eat before them.

    Acts 1:9-11 (KJV)
    9And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. 10And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven (Greek: eis ton ouranon = "into the sky") as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; 11Which also said,

    "Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven (Greek: eis ton ouranon = "into the sky")? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven (Greek: eis ton ouranon = "into the sky"), shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven (Greek: eis ton ouranon = "into the sky")."

    The Ruwach haQodeesh (The Holy Spirit) that you misrepresent speaks of the Messiah Yeshua`:

    John 14:25-26 (KJV)
    25These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. 26But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

    ---
    The beauty of the KJV is that it PRESERVES the "thee's" and "thou's," "thy's" and "thine's," as well as the "ye's" along with the "you's" and the appropriate verbs that are related to these pronouns.
    Here's the Second Person in English as it was supposed to be (not this watered down version we use today):
    Singular:
    Subject: Thou
    Object: Thee
    Possessive Adjective: Thy
    Possessive Object: Thine

    Plural:
    Subject: Ye
    Object: You
    Possessive Adjective: Your
    Possessive Object: Yours

    Therefore, the KJV provides case and number that modern English loses. This is important information that would otherwise be lost! For instance, sometimes God is speaking to individuals: "Thou shalt not steal," and sometimes He is speaking to a group: "Ye shall make no league with the inhabitants of this land."
    Also, the KJV has made it a point to use "Lord" in the OT for the Hebrew word "Adonay" (meaning "Sir," "Sire," "Mr." or "Master") while using "the LORD" in the OT for the Hebrew tetragrammaton, "YHWH" which is the NAME of God as revealed to Mosheh ("Moses"). This is also information that is often glossed over and lost.
     
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    Shalom, Reggie.
    WOW! Is THIS ever twisted! Yeshua` said what He said and meant what He said:


    Matthew 15:21-28 (KJV)
    21Then Jesus went thence, and departed into the coasts (borders) of Tyre and Sidon (in Lebanon). 22And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying,

    "Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil."
    23But he answered her not a word.
    And his disciples came and besought him, saying,

    "Send her away; for she crieth after us."
    24But he answered and said,
    "I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel."
    25Then came she and worshipped him (bowed to Him), saying,
    "Lord (Sir, Master), help me!"
    26But he answered and said,
    "It is not meet (fitting) to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs."
    27And she said,
    "Truth, Lord: yet (even) the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table."
    28Then Jesus answered and said unto her,
    "O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt."
    And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.

    As far as the rest of your nonsense goes, you don't know what you're talking about. You're seeing things through "Christian-colored" glasses and have NO concept of what it meant for this Canaanite woman to call Him "Son of David!" She did! She knew more than you do!
    Don't you ever read what you claim to read? Here's the Davidic Covenant:

    2 Samuel 7:8-17 (KJV)
    8Now therefore so shalt thou say unto my servant David, Thus saith the LORD of hosts, I took thee from the sheepcote, from following the sheep, to be ruler over my people, over Israel: 9And I was with thee whithersoever thou wentest, and have cut off all thine enemies out of thy sight, and have made thee a great name, like unto the name of the great men that are in the earth. 10Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime, 11And as since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel, and have caused thee to rest from all thine enemies. Also the LORD telleth thee that he will make thee an house. 12And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. 13He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. 14I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men: 15But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee. 16And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever. 17According to all these words, and according to all this vision, so did Nathan speak unto David.

    This was not talking about Shlomoh ("Solomon") because Shlomoh took the kingship while David was still alive. Also, notice that verse 14 doesn't use the words "like" or "as." This was a PROPHECY about Yeshua`s future kingship! He was born "King of the Jews!" (Matt. 2:2.) He died as "King of the Jews!" (Matt. 27:37; Mark 15:26; Luke 23:38; and John 19:3, 19-22.)
    And, don't forget His own parable:

    Luke 19:11-27 (KJV)
    11And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear. 12He said therefore,

    "A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return. 13And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come. 14But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us. 15And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading. 16Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds. 17And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities. 18And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds. 19And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities. 20And another came, saying, Lord, behold, here is thy pound, which I have kept laid up in a napkin: 21For I feared thee, because thou art an austere man: thou takest up that thou layedst not down, and reapest that thou didst not sow. 22And he saith unto him, Out of thine own mouth will I judge thee, thou wicked servant. Thou knewest that I was an austere man, taking up that I laid not down, and reaping that I did not sow: 23Wherefore then gavest not thou my money into the bank, that at my coming I might have required mine own with usury? 24And he said unto them that stood by, Take from him the pound, and give it to him that hath ten pounds. 25(And they said unto him, Lord, he hath ten pounds.) 26For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him. 27But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
     
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    How much money did Jesus give you? Isn't it obvious the parable is about Satan?
     
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  5. Reggie Belafonte

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    There is no such thing as race in any religion that I know of.
    Jesus returns to all who are truly Born Again, it's the Holy Spirit and Jesus is the Holy Sprit, that's his nature that he abided in and is in fact.

    All people who look forward to a end of times are of Satan or Lost. they look forward to such because they are Lost and do not have Jesus Christ.

    Now one day the whole world will come to know who Jesus Christ truly is in fact, but you all know that some have came to known him now for over 2000 years.
    Let me ask you this, if you are truly Born Again what more do you need ? you have it or you don't ? what do you think that the world will need when they all come to know Jesus Christ, nothing, they will have it !
    Now I know Atheist that say to me that they will believe in Jesus when they see him with their own eyes, what morons !
    Jesus was seen 2000 years ago and not believed and not only that, but was dealt with by such people as such.

    Fact is if you are not truly Born Again you are Lost to the Holy Spirit and such a one miss the point, sure some do have part of the Holy Spirit but it is not tainted with the worldly to much and it's this that struggles amongst the weeds so to speak, so they can not grow and truly become Born Again.

    So what we have now is a lot of Christians who are being mislead and thinking or hopping that if they can fan the fires of hell that Jesus will come back, they are going to bring him down in the flesh ? now I have heard such morons say such crap.
    You can not bring Jesus Christ down to Earth in the flesh, but what they are doing is being mislead by Satanic devils who are promoting the works of the Talmud so called Zionist so called Jew and that's who they are Idolising and worshiping and they will be fooled into believing in a man claiming to be there saviour, but he will be the Devil himself, he will do great things just like Hitler did and love him just like the German people did, but fact is he will be just another stupid Humanist Marxist Socialist knit and the people are that ignorant that they do not understand the workings of the Nazi or the Communist truly at all, they are oblivious to the foundations of such and all them people who went to fight against such evil put there lives on the line was in vane now, because now the whole world is Socialist and it's going to become Communist and that's what your Talmud mates want, so they can control you all, most likely they will kill 80% of the worlds population and they could make up anything to get away with it all easy as, just look at the Ukraine they starved them all to death only 10 to 20 million and does the majority of people know this history let alone all the people that Communist Russia killed let alone China, people are that ignorant of the fact that I find it astounding, not to mention that they have been talking about having to get rid of 80% of the worlds people with Agenda 21 openly, not to mention that years before WW2 the 6 million figure cam up many times before it happened. it was all planed years before so as to set it all up with people who were in the know to get ready for it, just as it is with this new age rapture madness peddled by mad men.

    As to Agenda 21 who comes out and points such out for what it truly is, the workings of Satanist ! now people were warned about Hitler's and Stalin's games as to the working of what it truly is before it all began but it fell on deaf ears.

    So people who promote satanic agendas only lead people into the hellfire and they themselves are going to Hell for ever. just look at all the workings of Satan around us nowadays leading people astray, you name it, it's workings of insanity is all coming about and the people will reap what they have sown.
     
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    Wadr I think your 2nd and last paragraphs are fighting each other now, I don't think you can Quote anyone going to a place of fire and unending torture after they have literally died, and I can Quote that they will not.
    humility, I guess
    um, wadr I don't think it works like that, what I read is the world passes away instead. Every knee bowing/tongue confessing maybe manifests a bit diff than we all imagine there
    so to speak perhaps, but literally? Prolly not. Or I'll say that when you can personify your spirit separate from your person I'll consider the possibility then, but not before then. I'm not saying that Satan isn't very real, but there is no person or personality there imo
     
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    Shabbat shalom, bbyrd009.
    It's not as obvious as one might think. The parable is NOT about haSatan (Hebrew for "the Enemy"), who is not even mentioned in the parable AT ALL..
    No, this is Yeshua` giving us a glimpse into the future - HIS future! And, if you don't like the way He said something, that's too bad. If Yeshua` wants to have those who would not be reigned by Him to be slain before Him, that's HIS business, and NO ONE has any say in it!
     
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    "CoreIssue,

    [Israel is not church and the church is not Israel, in covenant terms.

    Israel is one flocked and church another.]


    One new man for eternity;
    13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

    14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;

    15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

    16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

    17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.

    18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

    19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

    20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

    21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:

    22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
     
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    The parable was given for a stated reason, and Satan is implied there I guess. You might do better to follow the RCC here, they just changed the def of "talents" to make the parable work like you are assuming? Which fwiw I learned that here, even if I always suspected some hanky-panky @ that passage.

    Really surely more about "...and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear" than trying to ID the king prolly, so I take "Satan" back too; "perception" seems like a better fit, we might even see those who believe they are followers but are not illuminated? Christ's servants do not want Him to rule over them though? Certainly some or many who claim to be His but are not, sure. So yes Jesus might fit, too, but then understand what that is saying? About your perspective?
    I mean, yikes? Wadr why not just call fire down upon them yourself?
     
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    Shabbat shalom, Reggie.

    Do you indeed know who the Messiah truly is? If one doesn't think He's coming back in the flesh, then that one is an antichrist (one with a spirit - an attitude - against the Messiah)!

    1 John 2:18-29 (KJV)
    18Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. 19They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. 20But ye have an unction (an anointing) from the Holy One, and ye know all things. 21I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. 22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus (Yeshua`) is the Christ (the Messiah)? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. 24Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.

    25And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.

    26These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you. 27But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

    28And now, little children, abide in him; that, when he shall appear, we may have confidence, and not be ashamed before him at his coming. 29If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.

    1 John 4:1-3 (KJV)
    1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ (Yeshua` the Messiah) is come in the flesh is of God: 3And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ (Yeshua` the Messiah) is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit (attitude) of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

    2 John 7-11 (KJV)
    7For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 8Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. 9Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
     
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    The Bible says that he will not come beck in the flesh, but he did, that's not to say that he will again you know, it's a Spiritual thing as to the Second coming you know.
    No one comes to the Father but through his only begotten Son ?
    When did anyone come to know Jesus truly in the Flesh ?
    There he was being flogged in front of all to see back in the day and he would be flogged today, look if you do not respect Jesus now for who he truly is, what are you going to do when you see him in the flesh, so what ! if you do not truly know him to see him means bugger all, it's a Spiritual understanding, one who is truly Born Again know this fact.
    Now Nathaniel knew who Jesus Was directly because he was a true Israelite in fact as Jesus said that he was, do you get that ! the rest of the whole tribe did not know the fact, so why would we today know unless you are truly Born again. People who are truly Born Again are Israel ! servants of Jesus Christ. they know him in fact and do his will, do you understand that fact, what do you think that Nathaniel was doing ? he was a true Israel ! in fact. now did Jesus say such a thing to any of the others ? no ! but they had a glimmer they were believer's in the God of Israel.

    Look anyone who goes to the so called Jews of today will gain nothing, that's like rejecting Jesus as the Christ, so if anyone looks to the so called Jews today for Salvation is an Anti-Christ, because it's a fact ! why would you abandon Jesus Christ for a people who do not know Jesus Christ at all, not to mention that only about 10% of all Jews are worthy of the OT and the rest are just lost and full of Satanist in fact.
    Retrobiter do yourself a favour and go study the Talmud and who they truly serve, they are even worst than Islam.

    Did you know that Satan is the one who leads the whole world astray ? so why lead people away from Jesus Christ for some Talmud whore that's full of deceptions and direct full on lies, they are always peddling Anti-Christ BS 24/7 it's a fact that they do such. not to mention that anyone who follows them is doing the works of Satan and is going to Hell for ever.

    I say come to Jesus Christ ! come to know him and abide in him and you will be Saved and only in him one must serve, don't be like a mongrel dog and go sniffing about elsewhere because such will only lead you astray.
    When one is truly Born Again you will not bother going sniffing about because you are Saved and know who it is that you Serve fact is that you can not serve two masters you know.

    Fact is that the Jews have to come to Jesus Christ, it's always been such and it will always be so regardless.

    Look all the morons that I hear say that they want the day of the fires of hell to come so that Jesus will come, are total fools ! they are lost ! not to mention it's like people back in 1940's hopping for the World war, oh how lovely, what little darlings ! we did not truly need WW2 and nor do we need a WW3.
    Hey Hitler's mob may of lost the war but they have truly one the battle with there Communist mates. the whole world is Socialist now and it will become Communist, the Talmud created the Nazis and the Communist to dupe the people and have worked to undermine Christianity, so that people turn their backs on Jesus Christ for a load of BS trash.
    Such they claim lets do evil works in order for good to come out of it, well that's Satanic works not to mention a grave Sin.
    All a Christian need do is follow Jesus Christ to their best ability and turn away from Sin and never abide in Sin.
     
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    With being Born Again you have Grace.
    When Born Again it's the Holy Spirit who guides you, not any man.
    Maybe what you are looking for a Pope for you to follow ?
    One should not look to any man, but the Holy Spirit to be your guide first and foremost in your life.
     
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    Shalom, Anthony.
    It's interesting to me that you make this distinction in one breath, and then show us that there's no such distinction in the next!

    Again, it's not "Gentiles + Children of Israel = Church"; instead, it is ...
    "Children of Israel + Gentiles grafted in among them = Children of Israel (ENHANCED)!"
     
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    I was quoting the other poster in the first two lines...
    I believe it is the promised seed Gen3:15 who = The Servant of The Lord[isa49] and us In Him jn6:37-44....Hebrews11:
    39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:

    40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
     
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    Why did you tag me for this, Reggie? You too can go get ordained today, if you want to. If you want to respond to the post, try again wadr
     
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    I am pointing it out as a fact.
    Are the so called new age Christian 2ed coming people who must be just looking just for another so called Pope ? in this so called second coming thing that they are hoping for or idolising, I think that they are. so be carful that it's not just that, that they are looking for, I would say, because this is not going to be Jesus at all.

    If people do not know who Jesus Christ is and that he is with us now, why do they look away for, no, they must come and abide in him and then he will give them the Holy Spirit, that's how it works regardless.

    When one receives the gift you have to pick it up, that's how it goes regardless, one nurtures that gift that you have been given. but if you don't, you never had it in the first place.
    As with the second coming it's the same, they will have to pick it up. not toss it away.
    Some had the oil and the ones who had not ?

    Anyone who wishes to have society crash and burn is a Satanist and does not have the Christ Jesus within them, but are of no hope and know not what they are doing because they are lost, because they do not know Jesus.

    Christians do not seek hellfire, that will come due to Satanist works, that such nonsense will be burnt up and then the reality will be seen for what was truly what. it will be obvious to all and then they will have to come to Jesus Christ, because there is nothing else there anyway, Jesus is the same regardless, he was here at the beginning and to the end of time.
    There is no two Jesus Christ, the first Jesus and the second Jesus or the rubbish peddled about nowadays with claiming such rubbish, like the first testament and the second testament, so they must be on the path of the 3rd testament ? I hear that type of nonsense all the time now and it's blasphemy ! our Premier of QLD even said such pathetic dribble at her old RCC School when making a speech there, when she became Premier, ha ha how stupid can you be, let alone all the fools who such out right blasphemy just went right over their head. talk about ignorance !
     
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    Ha well I guess we all start out ignorant, and a new crop of ignorants gets born every day! :D
     
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