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Oh OK So Jesus did not really know what Judas was about to do, it was just an assumption.The truth is that Judas still had a choice ...
Jesus had just predicted what Judas would do, but it is not enslaved
Oh OK So Jesus did not really know what Judas was about to do, it was just an assumption.
Do you believe God is all knowing?
I did not know that Judas ministered anything to the chief priests and Pharisees. Did Jesus really send him to minister unto them?
And instead He disobeyed Jesus and betrayed him? I read where Jesus told Judas to hurry up and do whatever he was going to do...I take it Jesus already knew what he had been doing behind His back and knew what he was going to do.. Is that the same as sending him to do what he was going to do?
Jesus will not and does not SEND anyone or anybody to minister EVIL to anyone or anybody. At this point in time.
Yes, Jesus knew what Judas would do - but knowledge and enslaving (or hypnosis) are two different things. It is not so?
Hypnosis??? Why are you mentioning that?
Here's another scripture you may want to consider.
Then God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem; and the men of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech: Judges 9:23
But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him. 1 Sam. 16:14
Hypnosis??? Why are you mentioning that?
Here's another scripture you may want to consider.
Then God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the men of Shechem; and the men of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abimelech: Judges 9:23
But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him. 1 Sam. 16:14
because of Judas still had a choice ...
In both cases - Abimelech and the men of Shechem and Saul had a choice to not do evil, but they did it... No wonder, with the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul.
( Proponents of salvation once and for all should consider ).
I am glad you brought this up. Do all Christians have a choice to not do evil? Do all non Christians have a choice to not do evil?
Do you have a choice to not do evil? Please expound on this for me. Thank you.
Have you got any pertinent scripture to support your opinion?because of Judas still had a choice ...
In both cases - Abimelech and the men of Shechem and Saul had a choice to not do evil, but they did it... No wonder, with the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul.
( Proponents of salvation once and for all should consider ).
Jdg 9:17-20 esv"(17) for my father fought for you and risked his life and delivered you from the hand of Midian, (18) and you have risen up against my father's house this day and have killed his sons, seventy men on one stone, and have made Abimelech, the son of his female servant, king over the leaders of Shechem, because he is your relative-- (19) if you then have acted in good faith and integrity with Jerubbaal and with his house this day, then rejoice in Abimelech, and let him also rejoice in you. (20) But if not, let fire come out from Abimelech and devour the leaders of Shechem and Beth-millo; and let fire come out from the leaders of Shechem and from Beth-millo and devour Abimelech.""
First the leaders of Shechem have murder, and only then God sent an evil spirit between Abimelech and the leaders of Shechem.
1Sm 15:9-11 esv"(9) But Saul and the people spared Agag and the best of the sheep and of the oxen and of the fattened calves and the lambs, and all that was good, and would not utterly destroy them. All that was despised and worthless they devoted to destruction. (10) The word of the LORD came to Samuel: (11) "I regret that I have made Saul king, for he has turned back from following me and has not performed my commandments."
First Saul has turned back from following God, and only then God sent an evil spirit.
The leaders of Shechem and Saul had a choice before God sent an evil spirit. You have any problems with this?
what should I read?
I'm not contradict myself.
"God sent the spirit" of your mouth sounds as if people had no choice and are not guilty of anything, for it is God sent down spirit upon them.
I told they had a choice and decision of God to send the spirit was dependent on this choice. You asked me to give lines so you have this.
I do not quite understand what you are trying to show now ...
and you open your eyes and pray in, then you can see ... maybeI see no "choice"
You do not show me "errors", do this via the Scriptures, and not via the jabbing you demonstrated.Given your reputation here at CB I really didn't expect you to recognize your own errors