Jesus has devised more than one way to bring people to him

[Patrick1966]

He's also full of wrath against His enemies. This is the age of grace when forgiveness and mercy is offered but it will come to an end. There are vessels of His mercy and also vessels of wrath. The Lord has shown us His mercy in the person of Jesus Christ....whoever receives Him receives mercy, whoever rejects Him will receive wrath. There is salvation in no other Name. What does salvation mean?

Please consider this carefully:

Rom 9:21-24
Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

And before anyone dares to call God unrighteous for destroying/judging His enemies, consider also the verse that says "Who are you o man to talk back to God?"

God destroys those who need it in order to then rebuild them. God is a refiner.

Jeremiah 6:29 esv

The bellows blow fiercely; the lead is consumed by the fire; in vain the refining goes on, for the wicked are not removed.

Proverbs 25:4 esv
Take away the dross from the silver, and the smith has material for a vessel

 

[Patrick1966]

I do believe the bible, very much. It clearly teaches that all who believe will be saved, not those who don't believe.

Saved from what?

 

[Patrick1966]

John 3:16-17 CLNT
16 For thus God loves the world, so that He gives His only-begotten Son, that everyone who is believing in Him should not be perishing, but may be having life eonian.
17 For God does not dispatch His Son into the world that He should be judging the world, but that the world may be saved through Him.

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
People tend to forget that one possible outcome for judgment is mercy, which God is FULL of.
What will the one who expects us to love our enemies do with his own?
Incinerate them? Feel the love.

He's also full of wrath against His enemies.

Does he have anger management issues?
He expects us to LOVE our enemies, do you suppose he
operates at a lower standard than he holds us to?

"Who are you o man to talk back to God?"

And who am I to talk back to Lizbeth? - LOL

 

[Patrick1966]

I do believe the bible, very much. It clearly teaches that all who believe will be saved, not those who don't believe.

So you think God created people so that he could torture them forever? You have a very low opinion of God, as do most Christians.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Hebrews 4
1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall ENTER INTO MY REST: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered NOT IN BECAUSE OF UNBELIEF: (in ref.to the Jews to whom Jesus preached)
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if YE WILL HEAR HIS VOICE, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a  rest to the people of GOD.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of UNBELIEF.
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a  discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Hebrews 4
1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall ENTER INTO MY REST: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered NOT IN BECAUSE OF UNBELIEF: (in ref.to the Jews to whom Jesus preached)
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if YE WILL HEAR HIS VOICE, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a  rest to the people of GOD.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of UNBELIEF.
12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a  discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

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Those who do not enter his rest by believing in Jesus death, burial and resurrection are facing the WRATH of God.
Be assured ,God does not lie, let it be so as thus saith the word of God !

 

[St. SteVen]

Hebrews 4
1 Let us therefore fear, ...

The KJV is such a reprehensible translation. Let us fear?

Hebrews 4:1 NIV
Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands,
let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it.

 

[St. SteVen]

Those who do not enter his rest by believing in Jesus death, burial and resurrection are facing the WRATH of God.
Be assured ,God does not lie, let it be so as thus saith the word of God !

Not what it means.

Hebrews 4:8-11 NIV
For if Joshua had given them rest, God would not have spoken later about another day.
9 There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God;
10 for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works,[a] just as God did from his.
11 Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest,
so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.

 

[Lizbeth]

Saved from what?

God's word says we're "saved from wrath through Him."

 

[St. SteVen]

God's word says we're "saved from wrath through Him."

Did Jesus die to save you from God?

 

[Lizbeth]

God destroys those who need it in order to then rebuild them. God is a refiner.

Jeremiah 6:29 esv

The bellows blow fiercely; the lead is consumed by the fire; in vain the refining goes on, for the wicked are not removed.

Proverbs 25:4 esv
Take away the dross from the silver, and the smith has material for a vessel

Yes, the Lord is a refiner, but He refines His people, tearing down in order to rebuild.......but it is the people of the world who won't believe, that it turns out they are refined in vain.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

2 Thessalonians 2:7-12

7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.​

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his MOUTH, and shall  destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the  truth, that they MIGHT BE SAVED.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed NOT THE TRUTH, but had pleasure in unrighteousness

SIN IS RAMPANTLY AND VIGOROUSLY AT WORK!
Yet by the words of God's mouth, his word given under inspiration by his Spirit to holy men is our manual to a relationship to him !

The word revealing, JESUS, is the ONLY way to salvation. All that reject and refuse to believe this truth will be consumed and destroyed in the LOF.

God does not lie and will not be mocked," for whatsoever a man soweth that that he reap".
Reap in unrighteous sin and the righteous God will let you choose your final destination!

 

[St. SteVen]

Yet by the words of God's mouth, his word given under inspiration by his Spirit to holy men is our manual to a relationship to him !

Does the Bible tell you that Jesus died to save us from God?

 

[St. SteVen]

Yes, the Lord is a refiner, but He refines His people, tearing down in order to rebuild.......but it is the people of the world who won't believe, that it turns out they are refined in vain.

Have you seen this?

Malachi 3:2 NIV
But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears?
For he will be like a refiner’s fire or a launderer’s soap.

 

[St. SteVen]

Since Bible-thumpers want scripture, I'll start with these.

Acts 3:21 NIV
Heaven must receive him until the time comes for God to restore everything,
as he promised long ago through his holy prophets.

1 John 2:2 NIV
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

Romans 11:32
For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

Titus 2:11 ESV
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people,

 

[Patrick1966]

Those who do not enter his rest by believing in Jesus death, burial and resurrection are facing the WRATH of God.
Be assured ,God does not lie, let it be so as thus saith the word of God !

Yes, but as 2 Samuel 14:14 says, Jesus has devised DEVICES so that the banished one doesn't remain an outcast.

Here's another.

Lamentations 3:31 esv
For the Lord will not cast off forever,​

 

[Patrick1966]

Since Bible-thumpers want scripture, I'll start with these.

Most Christians don't believe the Bible but instead believe their local preacher who grew up brainwashed on the KJV garbage.

 

[Patrick1966]

2 Thessalonians 2:7-12

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7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.​

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his MOUTH, and shall  destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the  truth, that they MIGHT BE SAVED.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed NOT THE TRUTH, but had pleasure in unrighteousness

SIN IS RAMPANTLY AND VIGOROUSLY AT WORK!
Yet by the words of God's mouth, his word given under inspiration by his Spirit to holy men is our manual to a relationship to him !

The word revealing, JESUS, is the ONLY way to salvation. All that reject and refuse to believe this truth will be consumed and destroyed in the LOF.

God does not lie and will not be mocked," for whatsoever a man soweth that that he reap".
Reap in unrighteous sin and the righteous God will let you choose your final destination!View attachment 34294

Yes, God punishes. That is NOT in dispute. Where you go wrong is that you don't believe the plethora of scriptures that demonstrate that, in the end, ALL will be with God.

 

[Patrick1966]

Did Jesus die to save you from God?

That's the commonly held view in mainstream Christianity. Follow Jesus or God the Father will torture you FOREVER! Dear Jesus, save me from your father (yourself)!

Yea, that makes perfect, logical, sense. It's a brilliant theology.