robert rerrick said:
The Word was with God, and the Word was God. Not 'just' with God, which you leave out on purpose. Why?[/QUOTE\]
I wasn't trying to quote John 1:1 for one reason. All I was trying to show from the scriptures is that at 1John 4:9 this scripture shows that in the state or form that the person we call Jesus today was in, before he became human, that he was the Only-Begotten Son of God. Meaning he was the Only Begotten Son of God when he was in heaven with God before he became human, he was the Only Begotten Son of God when he was human with mankind, and now that he has been resurrected from the dead and been changed to a powerful immortal spiritual being who has inherited incorruption and that everything and everyone except his Father who is God has been made subject to him, Jesus is the Only Begotten Son of God.
I'm not going to deny it was the Only-Begotten Son of God who became human and came to mankind. So when the scripture at John 1:14 says the Word became flesh(human) it was the Only-Begotten Son of God who became flesh(human). Those Who choose to deny this by how they choose to believe that's their choice. However I'm not going to agree with them nor help them teach such a doctrine. It's written down in scriptures at John 3:16 that to get eternal life, you must believe that God sent his Only Begotten Son to the world of mankind. The scriptures don't say that God sent himself. Jesus himself says at John 17:3 that there's two persons you must come to know to get eternal life, "the Only True God, and the one he sent forth, Jesus Christ.
The scriptures don't say that God sent himself.
Ok, I wasn't sure, which is why I was asking why you leave out the Word was God before He was made flesh, and so was God in the flesh.
Instead, you are of the carnal mind that demands Scripture say 'God sent Himself'. Which is learned to be true by the Father sent the Son, and the Son came down from heaven in obedience to the Father.
This scripture shows that in the state or form that the person we call Jesus today was in.
Why do the created christs so love to speak of Scriptural things so 'mystically'?
We call Jesus by His name: Jesus. Whose name is above every name ever named of God, including Jehovah.
The 'state or form' of Jesus was flesh. Which was as a male, not a female.
And the Person He was in the flesh, is the same Person He was in the beginning, and is the same Person He is today: the Person of God, which the Son is the exact image, and has never changed: His Being is always the same, yesterday, toady, and forever.
I'm not going to deny it was the Only-Begotten Son of God who became human and came to mankind.
Neither does Scripture, when He came into the world: I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou
art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Which only in the days of His flesh was He
first called such: So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.
Was the Only Begotten Son of God when he was in heaven with God before he became human.
And this is not Scripture. No Scripture speaks of the begotten Son as being called such in heaven, before being the begotten Son on earth. He was only called Christ by Scripture, confirming the covenant with Abraham before the law (Gal 3:17), and as that Rock following in the wilderness.
No Scripture speaks of the God
the Father, nor
the Son of God, except in prophecy, until the fullness of time to fulfill prophecy.
And now that he has been resurrected from the dead and been changed to a powerful immortal spiritual being.
And so here we have the reason for mysticizing Scripture: His Being was 'changed', and not just His body, so that He cannot have been God, whose Being
changes not.
No Scripture speak of Jesus Christ ever being 'changed' by God. He was resurrected
in body, not in soul: He was not the forerunner of being 'born again'.
Jesus Christ was the same Being and Person
yesterday, today, and forever. He was the Word that was God in the beginning, and He was the Word that was God in the flesh, and He is the Word that is God in heaven,
resurrected bodily to sit with God now on the right hand.
Like the mouth of the beast, they speak things so greatly and fawningly, while teaching their lies:
"Oh, Jesus Christ, thou art such a powerful...immortal....spiritual being now! Just look at you, after God has changed you into something so wonderful!! Just to think! You that were only human and mortal being is now made by God so divine!!!"
Sounds like His Mother Mary of God, gloating over Her Son that the Father created for Her, and then changed for Her.
Jesus Christ is not the new demigod Herakles, made divine after his death, because he was such a great hero son of Zeus.
I still get bits and pieces of the heresy to know it more certainly. And as always they are so
creative about it, which makes sense. I mean if they can create an entire christ out of nothing, then...