@bbyrd009
Jesus' will to live was the will of the flesh. Like in any of us there was an instinctive [proper usage?] desire or purpose to keep himself alive [physical life] and comfortable. Jesus showed us by example what God hopes for from each of us... to make our way equal to God's Way.
Some people say Jesus could not have denied God's Way, but I have to disagree, because Jesus had to have a real temptation with the real possibility of giving the wrong answer... or to me anyway... it loses the meaning of temptation. He felt the pressures we feel from the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and the pride of life [I John 2:16]. What he lacked, that none of us lack, was a personal history of failing to yield to those three attractions. He did not yield to them because in spite of the real attraction, He also had the power of God within Him, the Word. [Holy Spirit inspired]. He really understood all the alternatives... not just having guessed or theorized about them. God did not want the man of flesh Jesus [the one subject to temptation...] to live. The man of flesh Jesus did want to continue his natural life of flesh as you and I do. When Jesus in that last trip to Gethsemene he overcame the world of his carnally tempted flesh. [He overcame the temptations of I John 2:16] . He made his will of the old man perfectly equal to the will of new man. The will of the new is equal to the will of the Father/God.
byyd009 said:
i have to disagree that Jesus was speaking from any other than the Spirit There, a? Im somewhat surprised tbh
yes Jesus gave His life willingly, but to say it was His or even God's will, when it was demonstrably, irrefutably man's...so, we have the impression that God rewuired a Sacrifice to make us acceptable to Him, despite abundant evidence to the contrary,..
and we generally believe that the fact Jesus' "went willingly" means that He (God, right; Word. done deal right?) did not really want to live? careful, ppl
Jesus' will to live was the will of the flesh. Like in any of us there was an instinctive [proper usage?] desire or purpose to keep himself alive [physical life] and comfortable. Jesus showed us by example what God hopes for from each of us... to make our way equal to God's Way.
Some people say Jesus could not have denied God's Way, but I have to disagree, because Jesus had to have a real temptation with the real possibility of giving the wrong answer... or to me anyway... it loses the meaning of temptation. He felt the pressures we feel from the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes and the pride of life [I John 2:16]. What he lacked, that none of us lack, was a personal history of failing to yield to those three attractions. He did not yield to them because in spite of the real attraction, He also had the power of God within Him, the Word. [Holy Spirit inspired]. He really understood all the alternatives... not just having guessed or theorized about them. God did not want the man of flesh Jesus [the one subject to temptation...] to live. The man of flesh Jesus did want to continue his natural life of flesh as you and I do. When Jesus in that last trip to Gethsemene he overcame the world of his carnally tempted flesh. [He overcame the temptations of I John 2:16] . He made his will of the old man perfectly equal to the will of new man. The will of the new is equal to the will of the Father/God.