John 1:1 looked at HONESTLY!

[Truther]

Now a little fun!

Do you read John 1:1 as follows~

"In the beginning was Jesus, and Jesus was Jesus, and the Word was Jesus"

Jesus was with Jesus?

I trow not.

 

[kcnalp]

Now a little fun!

Do you read John 1:1 as follows~

"In the beginning was Jesus, and Jesus was Jesus, and the Word was Jesus"

I'll take Thomas' word over Kingdom Hall any day.

NWT John 20:28 In answer Thomas said to him: “My Lord and my God!”

What am I saying? Kingdom Hall even agrees with Thomas. lol

 

[theQuestioneer]

Thomas (according to Trinnies):

"My God-the-Son!"

 

[GEN2REV]

Enjoy your obsession with Max. I know nothing about him.

Ok, will do.

Enjoy your lamb chops.

 

[kcnalp]

Thomas (according to Trinnies):

"My God-the-Son!"

You're just here trolling.

 

[kcnalp]

Ok, will do.

Enjoy your lamb chops.

Chicken is my fav.

 

[GEN2REV]

Chicken is my fav.

I think the foxes have a lock on the hen houses.

 

[theQuestioneer]

You're just here trolling.

Are you a Triune Troll?

 

[kcnalp]

Are you a Triune Troll?

No, I'm a believer in Jesus, God in the flesh, and everlasting fire!

 

[theQuestioneer]

Hee-hee!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Say what???

If not spiritual death your still n your sin

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Correct. The angel of Jehovah is Jesus. (Exodus 3:2) However no man has seen God himself. "No man has seen God at any time" (John 1:18)

No man has seen the father

 

[kcnalp]

If not spiritual death your still n your sin

Only sinners are "spiritually dead".

1 Timothy 5:6 (NKJV)
6 But she who lives in pleasure is dead while she lives.

 

[Wrangler]

Actually, I'm not reading anything into the text, that IS the text.

No. You are reading into the text doctrine you already have. I have an provided a real world example of how your interpretation is not correct.

 

[Wrangler]

Just what verse do you claim is the
preincarnate Jesus speaking in any capacity?

And now the Lord GOD and His Spirit Have sent Me."

The VOICE translation is written in manuscript format and makes explicit the speaker in Is 48:12-16 is Adonai, the Eternal God Almighty.

The ‘me’ in v16 refers to the prophet Isaiah, not the prophet Yeshua.

 

[atpollard]

Philippians 2:5-11 [NKJV]
Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

 

[Wrangler]

Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God

Somebody else pointed this out; only someone who is not God would consider not being equal to God.

That is, God would not consider being equal to God.

 

[theQuestioneer]

BRAVO, W! Well said!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Only sinners are "spiritually dead".

1 Timothy 5:6 (NKJV)
6 But she who lives in pleasure is dead while she lives.

Yes because that was the penalty of sin

that’s why Christ had to suffer spiritual death to pay for sin.

the father and the spirit turned their backs on Jesus, because they can not look on the sin that was placed on him, for the first time in eternity, the bond between the father and spirit and the son was broken, because of your and my sin

remember, all the bearing, the punching and maligning did not cause Jesus to cry out, all the pain and suffering his physical body took, which is far worse than anyone can imagine, yet he did not once cry out, until that time when it got dark the suns light stopped shining on that spot, when Jesus cried out. My God my God why have your forsaken me, it was at that moment your sin, my sin the sin of the whole world was placed on his body. At that time, when the father and spirit departed from him is when he screamed (the Greek says he was screaming, he did not just cry out, he screamed!) in his most vulnerable state, because he who was holy and knew no sin became sin for us, his ultimate sacrifice. Far worse than the cross and all the beatings.

this should bring us to our knees

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Somebody else pointed this out; only someone who is not God would consider not being equal to God.

That is, God would not consider being equal to God.

Only someone who was God would even consider this

you have it backwards

he was before Abraham, he was not a created being at his birth

so what was he? An angel?