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JMA https://www.gty.org/library/sermons-library/81-110 @5.30 John 19:30 read as if at same time the Jews asked Pilate the bodies to be removed!

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This is FRAUD in idolatrous worship of SUNDAY!

KJ John 19:31 <bodies might not remain on the sabbath, for that sabbath day was a high day>
31 “The Jews then,
31 Οἱ οὖν Ἰουδαῖοι,
because / since
ἐπεὶ

(the) Preparation (Sixth Day)
Παρασκευὴ

(it) was / had begun,
ἦν,

so that
ἵνα

might not remain
μὴ μείνῃ

on the cross (of each of)
ἐπὶ τοῦ σταυροῦ

the bodies
τὰ σώματα

on the = on That sabbath (Day)
ἐν τῷ σαββάτῳ (Dative of relativity, interest or reference)

because / since (it) was
ἦν γὰρ

great
μεγάλη

the day of That (Day) of sabbath” [= the relative “Preparation” of interest / referred / inferred / referenced with the DATIVE “That Selfsame Day” cf. Luke 23:54 KJV.]
ἡ ἡμέρα ἐκείνου τοῦ σαββάτου

[which was / had begun - ἦν, cf. Mark 15:42 Luke 23:50 Matthew 27:57 “WHEN .. JOSEPH came there”, which was at least four hours after Jesus had died 3PM the day BEFORE—‘Thursday’ “the Preparation OF THE PASSOVER” John 19:14.]
 
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At 10:30 JMA God’s Providence in Christ’s Burial <He was on the cross for six hours>. Luke says He was finished buried “mid-afternoon as the Sabbath of the week was nearing” (Friday “late afternoon”). JMA states emphatically <He was on the cross for six hours> viz., not a minute after “the ninth hour” on Friday!

So WHEN was his body removed? When and how was His Body “prepared” and when and how was Jesus buried, <that day the Preparation>, still?

JMA BLUFFS with trying to prove John 19:31 is the immediate continuation of “That Selfsame Day” Jesus DIED ON, and is the immediate continuation of verse 30!

With that JMA BLUFFED when (@6:40) he <<referred to all four Gospels>>. And instead JMA IGNORED all three the other Gospels. He does not refer to Mark 15:41,42 or Matthew 27:54-56 or LUKE in 23:47-49!

And JMA ignores and discards Matthew in 27:51-53 AND THE IMPACT AND THE CONSEQUENCES the catastrophic event had. Or was it not such a “GREAT earthquake” and “THICK darkness” it “was felt”—painfully as the darkness in Egypt at the “Passover of Yahweh” then?


REGARDLESS the Law and the Prophets who spoke “concerning the Christ”, “concerning .. THAT SELFSAME BONE-ESSENTIAL DAY” of “THREE DAYS IMPENITRABLY SOLID DARKNESS” of Jesus’ Last Passover Suffering “ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES” the Passover of Yahweh Scriptures, “EATEN IN THAT NIGHT after .. and the daylight following THAT WHICH REMAINED was BURNED with fire!”


NO SCRIPTURE BUT TRADITION gets <accomplished exactly .. to the day> according to JMA, and CORRUPTION is <fulfilled perfectly .. to the minute> by JMA! (@5:46; 6:00)
 

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@10:40 JMA God’s Providence in Christ’s Burial <<He was on the cross six hours from 9 o’clock in the morning until about 3 o’clock in the afternoon>>


False! Jesus’ hung on the cross ALIVE for <exactly>, six hours, from 9 o’clock in the morning until – not <<about 3 o’clock in the afternoon>>, but <to the minute>, 3 o’clock in the afternoon, after which He remained hanged on the cross, DEAD, from <exactly> 3 o’clock in the afternoon = “the ninth hour” of the “twelve hours in a day”, <exactly> until “when ALREADY it HAD become / it ALREADY HAD BEEN the Evening” AFTER sunset “THAT HIGHT” 6PM to the minute exactly until “THERE CAME JOSEPH and also Nicodemus”.


Now WHY does JMA insist Jesus’ body was brought down off the cross there and then when He expired his last breath? Because, says JMA, Jesus ought to have survived the thieves on the cross because they were bodily not as fit as He was due to the fact that He was sinless and they, not. That, JMA tells us, just after his sermon on The Providences of the Almighty, and, about Jesus’ own Power He disposed of over death. So, despite the minuteness of God’s Eternal Purpose in the Burial of the Father of his own Son, above and before it, should come into account the human factor of man’s physicality and weakness. Never mind what God fore-ordained, whatever his Providences were, the sinners should have died before the Sinless, that’s why He was on the cross only six hours long and they must have died on the hour 3PM, <<right then!>>; they could not have lived any longer; it naturally would have been impossible... Nevertheless, they did survive Jesus, which becomes clear when after sunset 6PM “when it already had become (or) had been EVENING and after Joseph who then had asked for the body, the soldiers came and broke the legs of the two to hasten their death. That’s the truth despite JMA’s keen awareness of man’s weaknesses. He should be more aware of the strength of God’s Providences; he must have given more attention to actual, precise, SCRIPTURE and less to brains smugglers’ folklore.
 

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@11:57 JMA God’s Providence in Christ’s Burial all three these men had to come off the cross <<..right then. WHY? As you will notice in verse 31, it was the day of Preparation, that’s the day before the Sabbath.>>

Sorry, not as one notices in verse 31 of John 19 firstly, but in Mark 15:42 firstly. But it’s absolutely fine, because John 19:31 speaks of 1) the very same DAY, 2) the very same TIME of day, and from verse 38 on, of 3) the very same EVENT, and 4) of the very same PERSON, Joseph— the very same things which Mark wrote about in 15:42 as wrote Luke in 23:50-53. ABSOLUTELY NO MISTAKE BUT THE VERY TRUTH OF SCRIPTURE, JMA <noticing> but not realising!

As you will have noticed it was NOT <<right then>> in Mark 15:42, “the ninth hour”, when Jesus had died THREE HOURS BEFORE at <3PM> on “the Preparation OF THE PASSOVER” John 19:14, which was the day BEFORE “the Preparation which is The Day-Before-the-Sabbath” which “had begun” [‘ehn’ Ingressive Aorist], or “was on-going [‘ehn’ Constative Aorist] and which was “The Preparation Which is the Day-Before-the-Sabbath”, the Sixth Day of the week, <Friday>.


PERFECT HARMONY between all four the Gospels never to be IGNORED OR SLIGHTED!
 

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@12:00 JMA God’s Providence in Christ’s Burial <<that’s the day before the Sabbath, that’s Friday>> YES, but STARTING, not ending!


A Bible day starts sunset followed by that day’s “evening” AS IN Mark 15:42 Matthew 27:57, John 19:31,38, Luke 23:50, AS was the case the night before, “evening” of “the NIGHT in which the Lord was betrayed” 1Corinthians 11:23, and ends sunset followed by the following day’s “evening”.


@12:12 <<that the bodies might be taken away>>,


Yes, but only at the END of that ‘sabbath / Preparation / Fore-sabbath / great day of sabbath’ of the passover “be taken away”? What sense does that make?

No, “It was the – PROSPECTIVE – Preparation / Fore-Sabbath / great day of sabbath / sabbath of (the passover)” that “was ongoing” [‘ehn’ Constative Aorist], that “had begun” [‘ehn’ Ingressive Aorist]—PROSPECTIVE, not nearly over!

A Bible day starts sunset followed by that day’s “evening” and ends sunset followed by the following day’s “evening”. “That Day The Preparation”, says Luke in 23:54 “was ongoing” at its end “with the Weekly Sabbath nearing” (cf. John 19:42), which Weekly Sabbath “the women began to rest”, Luke 23:56b.


The day Joseph “prepared” the body of Jesus “to bury” it “according to the Jews’ Law-of-custom” the Torah Exodus 12 Leviticus 23— John 19:40, began after sunset “when it already was EVENING” and ended when Joseph had closed the body in the grave “mid-afternoon the Weekly Sabbath approaching”, “because of the Jews’ preparation” for the Sabbath Day. Luke 23:54 John 19:42.


Jesus’ Crucifixion and Burial happened on TWO consecutive days. “On the third day ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES God raised Christ from the dead.”
 

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JMA God’s Providence in Christ’s Burial @12:12 <<that the bodies might be taken away>>


@12:23 <<Why did they care whether those people were still hanging there?>> Were <still> hanging? Why ask, <still>, if these three men and their crosses had been removed on the ninth hour 3PM exactly, ALREADY? But they are <still hanging there>? Are we talking before or after 3PM? If before, their ghosts were <still> hanging there? If after 3PM, then how long after? And where shall we get that information? From deducing like proper pathologists how long it takes to die by way of crucifixion? Or like proper Catholics from the tales the holy fathers had to dish up on this self-concocted issue?

Nevertheless, JMA’s question is valid! @12:23 <<Why did they – THE JEWS – care whether those people were still hanging there?>> JMA’s explanation though – will it also be valid? So let us go on and listen to what JMA has to offer.


@12:50 <<If they had executed someone for a just cause, they didn’t leave the person hanging there>>

The Law was, a person must be killed before his corpse is hanged, but Jesus they murdered by hanging on a cross, innocent and alive; and He gave up his Life six hours later That Day on the cross!

So Jesus was <still> hanging, <3PM>, and his body was not removed on that same day of Abib 14 <before sunset>. His body in fact remained hanging until such time as God’s Providence provided, which was according to this very Deuteronomy Law, “NOT ALL NIGHT”, that is, DURING THAT NIGHT.


But Friday crucifixionists maintain He never for a minute hang into and during the night after sunset on Abib 15, and simply deny that his body before sunrising “That Night” of Abib 15 was removed by Joseph who also “prepared” it in “This That Selfsame Night”, who also after sunrise on Abib 15 before the sunset end of “That Day the Preparation the Weekly Sabbath nearing”, FINISHED to BURY it to the finest detail of this very (precedential and prophetic) Deuteronomy Scripture.
 

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@13:13 God’s Providence in Christ’s Burial <<they didn’t want three bodies hanging on crosses on the sabbath day>>. Correct. The Jews fell into the snare they set up for Jesus. That same morning they shouted that Pilate must crucify Jesus even though that meant that they would have three bodies hanging on crosses on the PASSOVER sabbath day following, “because great day of sabbath of” the PASSOVER “That Day” = “That great day sabbath”, would be. But obviously, in their rage they never thought about the implications the blindness of their hatred would have for themselves. But it was not too late to save face to some extent. It was getting dark now, and the night obscured the crosses somewhat. Only please, don’t let the sun rise over those three crosses next morning on “that great day of sabbath of” the Jews’ passover! So first thing those proud nationalists did, after sunset-breaking of the new day brought them to their senses, was “When EVENING HAD COME”, to ask Pilate to have the crosses removed THAT SELFSAME PASSOVER-OF-THE-JEWS’ HIGH-DAY-SABBATH NIGHT, BEFORE SUNRISE AND DAYLIGHT “That Selfsame Day” [and you may add: <still!>]
 

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@16:17 God’s Providence in Christ’s Burial <<so they (the Jews) asked if they (the soldiers) could break those femurs, so those men could die before the day previous to the Sabbath, was over.>>

Quite another story. Anxious Jews anxious three hours before Friday was over, sunset, anxious the Sabbath would begin. Quite odd. Anxious Jews before three hours before sunset, seeing that’s when those three bodies hanging in the air according to JMA <<right then>> had to be off the crosses anyway!

Odd yes, because this is JMA’s story—not the story of the Father’s Burial of his Son in his Word “the Scriptures concerning the Son”. <<They asked .. those men could die before the day previous to the Sabbath, was over.>> John MacArthur is lying through his teeth ADDING his own words <<was over>> – the Jews asked Pilate nothing of the kind! @ 16:36 <<This is the Preparation, this is Friday, before the Sabbath or, on Friday, for that’s important.>> Where is that WRITTEN, Professor Pastor MacArthur? It is not written Period

What IS Written, is, that “It now was already the Preparation .. on the sabbath by reason of That Day was high day sabbath of” the passover “.. BEING / HAVING BEEN EVENING ALREADY .. the Fore-Sabbath” BEGINNING. Not nearly <was over>. God be Witness
 

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@21:45-22:11 God’s Providence in Christ’s Burial <<He needed to be off that cross the Jews said because He needed to be down before passover, though we know He needed to be down before passover not so He didn’t devour the passover, but, so that He would be in the grave, three days, part of Friday, all of Saturday, part of Sunday>>


<<though we know>>... All the while JMA presupposes <right then>, when Jesus had died, mid-afternoon “the ninth hour”—3PM, <we know>. From which Scriptures? WE DO NOT KNOW! Anything not written, we do not know.


But what is it that JMA says we know? <<we know He needed to be down before passover>>. Though Scripture says He ought to have been “killed the passover”—killed the passover on “the fourteenth day of the First Month”—on the passover “ON the first day when they always had to kill the passover” Mark 14:12 Matthew 26:17 Luke 22:7 John 13:1 1Corinthians 11:23.

Jesus ought to have been “killed the passover”—the Passover of Yahweh. How <<needed He to be down before passover>>?! The Passover of Yahweh, Jesus the Anointed Passover Lamb of Yahweh, needed to be killed, “ON the fourteenth” “on That Selfsame Bone-Essential Day” of the “three days” OF HIS, Suffering of the “Darkness” and “anxiety of DEATH”, bodily, and, primarily, of and in “anxiety of SOUL UNTO”—that is, PAST, “DEATH” and exceeding “the PAINS of death” in The Kingdom of Darkness on That Selfsame “three days darkness” Bone-Day of the Day of the LORD “in The Kingdom of My Father”, said Jesus.


Therefore and thus Jesus needed to be ON that cross The Word says because He needed to DIE ON passover, though we know He needed to be down that cross before “ALL THAT NIGHT” of the Passover of Yahweh so that HE WAS THE PASSOVER DEVOURED IN “three days” SUFFERING OF THE PAINS OF DEATH and as reward had his grave with the Rich, to “ON THE THIRD DAY .. the day after the Preparation .. the third day He said while He still lived” before his death, “He would RISE…” in honour and glory “…late in fullness of the Rest Day of the Sabbath being in the mid-afternoon daylight towards the First Day of the week.” Matthew 27:62 to Matthew 28:1-4. Again, God be Witness, God be Judge – and his Word.
 

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@22:40 God’s Providence in Christ’s Burial JMA: <<Mark 15 … this is amazing … what are they going to do with the body? Jesus is dead, the Jews want Him down… if you know the story, you know that-ah… the disciples have for the most part fled… hum… his mother… mfff-been put in the care of John… ’twas something the Romans did even for criminals to give the body to family if they asked, but no one in the family did. We can assume that Mary was in the care of John and… the rest. So what’s going to happen to the body? Verse 42 of Mark 15, “When evening had already come…” which means it’s in the afternoon… “because it was the Preparation Day…” again it tells us that this is Friday, “that is the Day before the Sabbath”. Some people try to say Jesus was crucified on Wednesday or Thursday. No, it’s the day before the Sabbath!>>


Who are the people who deny <<it’s the day before the Sabbath>> in Mark 15:42? They must be crazy because that’s what Mark WROTE, isn’t it?

But JMA’s brilliance shows clearly in his consistent use of the English Present (Continuous) Tense where Mark consistently uses the Aorist Punctiliar Past Perfect Tense. JMA most aggressively even reverses Mark’s unequivocal statement, and alleges that “When evening had already come”, <<it is in the afternoon>>! Which is the kind of audacity only a person who consciously is mangling God’s Word will resort to.
 
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@22:15 God’s Providence in Christ’s Burial JMA: <<they didn’t know that they were fulfilling that, prophecy or any other>> Sure. JMA’s best trick; mix everything up. The soldiers and the Jews acted doing just what comes naturally while God fulfils his Providence exactly, <<that prophecy>> that goes, <<He needed to be down before passover .. so that He would be in the grave, three days, part of Friday, all of Saturday, part of Sunday>>. No such prophecy nowhere! Just garnish over the whole plate gobbled up for gospel “eating and drinking of (the Real) Christ”, no questions asked no answers given.
 

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@22:25 God’s Providence in Christ’s Burial JMA: <<When we come to the actual removal of the body and its placement in the tomb …>> Listen to the man! We have come to one point and one event in time—to <<the actual removal of the body and its placement in the tomb>> simultaneously, the same day, the same place, the same characters, the same, single movement as it were <<RIGHT THEN .. 3PM>>, the one movement of getting Him <<off that cross>> and into the grave … BEFORE SUNSET <<.. before Friday is over .. for that’s important>>. Important to the WHOLE OF BEMUSED CHRISTIANITY, Antichrist manifest, the Beast worshipped in TOTAL submission.

WHY? Because CONTRA SCRIPTURE! There is no hope, the way Christianity is this day, “wandering after the Beast in great wonderment”, it is going to see the Lord Jesus coming again in the clouds of heaven, “wandering after the Beast in great wonderment”.
 

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@24:00 God’s Providence in Christ’s Burial
JMA: <<Some people try to say Jesus was crucified on Wednesday or Thursday. No, it’s the day before the Sabbath!>>

GE:
This is amazing! At 22:40 a few seconds back, JMA said, <<Mark 15 … this is amazing … what are they going to do with the body?>> From the moment mentioned in Mark15:42, the question was about <<what are they going to do with the body?>> What is it what Joseph was going to do with the body after “When evening had already come the Preparation Day already having begun”? First Joseph was going to ask for the body. Then Pilate would call the centurion to make sure Jesus was already dead, then he would officially “grant” Joseph the body. But before that, Pilate on request of the Jews, had ordered the soldiers to go break the bones of the three men who Pilate at that stage thought were all three still alive (—WHICH PROVES ALL THESE THINGS HAPPENED “LONG AFTER” <<right then .. 3PM>> round about the cross when Jesus had died—), so that they could die quicker so that their bodies could be removed and for the Jews’ sake, would “not hang all night”—Pilate thus as JMA said, would fulfil God’s Providence to the smallest detail. Therefore, having been under the impression all three men were still alive, hearing from Joseph that Jesus was already dead, implies that Joseph had seen Him dead on the cross before he, after sunset having waited for the cover of the dark, because he knew the Jews would thwart his plans for Jesus, slipped in secretly and BRAVELY asked Pilate for the body—very, absolutely, bravely.

44 Then Pilate marvelled if He were already dead: and calling / asking the centurion…”, the centurion there in the presence of the governor, confirmed that Jesus had “died long ago”.

So when Pilate heard the centurion’s confirmation, he gave permission for Joseph to have the body. And Joseph must have been just in time to SEE as the side of Jesus’ corpse was pierced and the bones of the others were broken for the soldiers to bring the crosses down and remove the bodies before taken away. So was Joseph just in time to “receive the body” and have it “delivered” where he stayed over passover-time, where he began to “treat” and “prepare” it “according to the Law-of-Custom of the Jews TO BURY” : “This That Night to be solemnly observed .. and the following day”. Exodus 12:8(41),10.
 

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@25:00 God’s Providence in Christ’s Burial JMA: <<We go from Divine Providence in the action of the indifferent (soldiers) to Divine Providence in the action of loving saints>> .. within the time-span from <3PM> to <<right then … in the afternoon … the day before the (Weekly) Sabbath>>.

Now that is possible to instantaneous accomplish logically, but not historically, which was the Divine way of <<fulfilment of God’s Providence .. in the actions>> of <<the Father’s Burial of His Son>>.

The Divine Way here is, not the sentimentally logical, but the Scriptural and Historical. It is false to collect everybody and everything together in one fleeting moment of human imagination <<from Divine Providence in the action of the indifferent (soldiers) to Divine Providence in the action of loving saints>> and distil it into one final fulfilment in the action of the Father with the Burial of His Own Son. To disregard Divine Providence in the TIMES and DAYS and HOURS of the Christ – each which He stressed would be fulfilled Divinely in time –, is just as bad as to disregard Divine Providence in the action of people loving or indifferent, soldiers, disciples, Joseph, Nicodemus, women, whosoever and whatsoever.
 
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@5:25 God’s Providence in Christ’s Burial JMA: <<we go from Divine Providence in the action of the indifferent (soldiers) to Divine Providence in the action of loving saints, and we meet Joseph of Arimathea, and the partner that showed up and we’ll meet him in a moment, with the name of Nicodemus, and the women, and very importantly again we are reminded in verse 42 that it was the Preparation Day the day before the Sabbath.>>


We are not <again reminded> in verse 42; we are informed this once that it was the Preparation Day the day before the Sabbath— “already”, viz., it was “already evening”: of the prospective day.


But that also is not exactly what we are told in verse 42. Saying it so short-hand like JMA does, means one looses something of crucial importance as per all four Gospels in the whole context pertaining Jesus’ Last Passover.


And that is the clear DISTINCTION, between JMA and Mark’s <<the Preparation Day the day before the Sabbath>> in 15:42, and John’s “the Preparation Day OF THE PASSOVER” each YEAR in 19:14.


The <<Preparation Day the day before the Sabbath>> (JMA) in Mark 15:42 was “the Preparation Day (OF THE WEEK) WHICH is the FORE-SABBATH” and Sixth Day OF THE WEEK, and per se was the day AFTER the day which “was the Preparation Day OF THE PASSOVER” each YEAR, as at Jesus’ Last Passover in John 19:14.

So get one’s terminology right and one’s chronology may improve.
 

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@5:25 God’s Providence in Christ’s Burial JMA: <<we go from Divine Providence in the action of the indifferent (soldiers) to Divine Providence in the action of ELEVEN saints….>>

I heard wrong at first. I never could imagine JMA would let the saints march in from so far as the eleven vagabond disciples. Just shows how far from reality – and Truth – sentimentality brings you in exegesis.
 

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@24:52 God’s Providence in Christ’s Burial JMA: <<and Mary Magdalene>> - Mark 15:42 was the last reference JMA gave. Mark in five verses concentrated events that happened since “it had become evening” after sunset in verse 42 “the Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath BEGINNING”, until and including after “47 Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses had beheld where he was laid”—“That Day the Preparation—mid-afternoon ENDING—the daylight fading towards the Weekly Sabbath”, in Luke 23:54.

But not JMA! The Professor almightily commanded the sun to stop fading or shining and the earth turning, and concentrated all events on both days including Crucifixion and from Crucifixion ended “the ninth hour” 3PM, until <<right then>> right after Crucifixion <3PM .. before the Preparation was over>>, and Burial was over. Makes me wonder who ‘providenced’ events and times of events that condensed, God or John MacArthur?
 

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@35:36 God’s Providence in Christ’s Burial JMA: <<he (Pilate) summoned back the centurion>>.

<Back>? From where? From the event at the cross still ongoing according to JMA – that’s <back> from where. But not according to Mark’s <exact> words!

Mark did not use JMA’s added and untrue word, <back>. The centurion had been back at the soldiers’ barracks in the palace of Pilate the Roman Governor when he sent or “asked” for him for information about whether Jesus was dead by then, FROM THAT HE LIKE “EVERYBODY THAT SAW THAT SIGHT (of the Crucifixion), FLED BACK HOME HEART-BEATING”. The centurion SAW Jesus expiring his last breath, of course Pilate would ask him; he was the first person to actually, know and confess that Jesus at his DEATH, was a Righteous Man. That, the centurion confirmed “LONG AGO ALREADY” [ei ehdeh palai] had happened.

It’s JMA’s strategy. He all the time never stops with making suggestions and throwing allusions and innuendos at what he insists was STILL THE DAY OF JESUS’ CRUCIFIXION – tenaciously! To the last straw! For what? To be acceptable to the papists? To worship on Sundays instead of on Sabbaths with a clean conscience?
 

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@35:40 God’s Providence in Christ’s Burial JMA claiming it was Crucifixion day still:
<<Joseph of Arimathea knew the Jews wanted Jesus and the others dead, he knew their tradition, he knew they wanted them down before sundown, down before Sabbath, so he asked for the body>> --- BEFORE SABBATH!!


Really, the man never stops swindling, twisting, making Scripture lie and every believer of the two days of the Crucifixion and Burial of the Passover of Yahweh, a swindler and twister.