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[charity]

Well, Paul is writing to the Colossians who were turning to the Faith, so it stands to reason that He was instructing them not to be drawn back through Judgmental criticisms from former fellow worshipers, from pagan way's! And that judgement should be through the Body of believer's, not men outside of the Faith!

Hello @Truth,

No, with respect the epistle is written to believers. See Colossians 1:2. To the 'saints' and 'faithful' in Christ Jesus.

Within the love of Christ our Saviour
Chris

 

[charity]

It is our "old man" who lived/lives withing the confines of time...but not so our "new man." This is what Jesus referred to as "entering in" to the kingdom of God where all is "the same yesterday, today, and forever." That "new man" is born of the spirit of God, as opposed to the flesh, that "man of sin revealed." 2 Thessalonians 2:3 Thus, we are counseled to walk rather in the spirit, even in the world.

You see, if we are with God and Him with us in that "I am" spirit, time has no hold on us. But if and when we remain in the world where time is the rule, we continue in decline until the end. We walk in "the valley of the shadow of death", but also in the kingdom of lights. The amazing thing (as Paul wrote) is, "those of us who are alive (in the spirit) and remain"...can experience both, which God has provided for His service until this fold of the gentiles is fulfilled.

So, you see, time is of the world, and thus "off the mark" of His holiness.

Hello @ScottA,

Thank you for explaining.

In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

The words, 'Sabbath days', is not referring only to the seventh day, but to all the many 'Sabbaths' which it was incumbent upon Israel to keep, as the feasts of the Lord.

The words, <Sabbath days> (supposedly) are from the Possessive 'Sabbatohn' - "of sabbaths", which is used throughout the NT as a Plural or as a Singular for THE one WEEKLY Seventh Day "of-the-week-Sabbath-Day' SINGULAR -- as New Testament Greek linguists consent despite certain New Testament theologians for nothing than prejudice do not.

In Colossians 2, the term 'sabbatohn' functions as a Singular because every other reference is to something singled out with "either - or". "Be not judged over EITHER eating OR drinking, OR over (the eating OR drinking) of A Feast, EITHER of month's OR of weekly Sabbath's (recurrence) Christ being the Essence and Substance of (it)!" "Christ being the Substance", says Paul, is why no one can judge or condemn you, therefore, "Feast Sabbaths", "keep (the) Sabbath's Feast", while the Word of God Jesus Christ is the "Nourishment ministered", is the Bread of "eating", is the Water of "drinking", "the Body of Christ's Own (the Church) .. growing with the growth of God."

Therefore, and in accordance with all its applications in the New Testament, the word 'sabbatohn' refers to only the Seventh Day, the "weekly Sabbath" of the New Testament, the Christian Sabbath, the Lord's Day -- the NEW, 'weekly Sabbath' on all future calendars, and does not refer <<to all the many 'Sabbaths' which it was incumbent upon Israel to keep>>, but refers to the ONE Sabbath Day these OT "sabbath days", all, pointed to, and were prophetic types of.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

As referring to the Colossians, We must realize that Paul was expressing the Passage Above! Colossians 2:16 in reference to that they had come out of Pagan forms of worship, So do not Let the people that are still involved in the Pagan Cult's Judge You!!!! Judge you in the Sabbath's - weekly, Passover, Unleavened Bread, Feast of Weeks [Pentecost] , Day of Trumpets, Day of Atonement, And Feast of Tabernacles! All to which are not only written in Scripture, but were Commanded to [KEEP ] as the OP of this thread!! Keep!

You are right that the "WORLD" is 'the enemy' and 'judge' in Colossians. Not 'the Judaists from Jerusalem'.

But you are wrong that the Old Testament ceremonial sabbaths are indicated by the word which strictly in New Testament Koine Greek, is the ORIGINAL word 'Sabbatohn'/'Sabbatou' (for 'Sabbath' in English), to this present day on all Christian-era / age calendars applied for the seventh of the seven 'week-days' PATTERN called the 'week'.

 

[Giuliano]

Well, Paul is writing to the Colossians who were turning to the Faith, so it stands to reason that He was instructing them not to be drawn back through Judgmental criticisms from former fellow worshipers, from pagan way's! And that judgement should be through the Body of believer's, not men outside of the Faith!

You are stretching things there by adding your own idea about it. Your idea creates another problem since Paul uses the same phrase "no man" again. Here is it in the context.

Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,
21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;
22 Which all are to perish with the using; ) after the commandments and doctrines of men?

We surely cannot read verse 18 to mean that other believers should be allowed to beguile the Colossians out of their rewards. I read it to mean "no man" should judge them and also that "I" should not be trying to judge others about this sort of thing.

 

[Truth]

17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Could you explain! what are a Shadow of things to come, to what is He referring too.
Also the [is] in the verse above is in Italics so it was added in to try to make sense, yet it only distorts the statement.
Who is to Judge? The Body of, other believers!

 

[Giuliano]

Could you explain! what are a Shadow of things to come, to what is He referring too.
Also the [is] in the verse above is in Italics so it was added in to try to make sense, yet it only distorts the statement.
Who is to Judge? The Body of, other believers!

The sabbath was and remains a good shadow of things to come. The person who observes it should be focusing on achieving his final state of being "complete" -- by entering the perpetual rest. "Shalom" means more than "peace" since it implies "completion" as well.

David wrote that some people in Israel in his day could enter that perpetual rest if they did not rebel as their forefathers had.

Psalm 95:7 For he is our God; and we are the people of his pasture, and the sheep of his hand. To day if ye will hear his voice,
8 Harden not your heart, as in the provocation, and as in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
9 When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my work.
10 Forty years long was I grieved with this generation, and said, It is a people that do err in their heart, and they have not known my ways:
11 Unto whom I sware in my wrath that they should not enter into my rest.

They heard what sounded like a trumpet. John in Revelation hears a trumpet. I believe John did enter the perpetual rest.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

We surely cannot read verse 18 to mean that other believers should be allowed to beguile the Colossians out of their rewards. I read it to mean "no man" should judge them and also that "I" should not be trying to judge others about this sort of thing.

The above quoted consists of two distinct pericopes, from verse 12 or even from verse 1 to its culmination in verse 19; and verses 20 to 23 which latter contrasts the wayward first principles of the world, with the indefeasible inviolable first principles of "things Christ is the substance" of.

Which clear and indisputable contrast and division between contexts, explains why Christ must be seen as the believers' "reward" which they ought not to let themselves be "smooth-talked" out of.

 

[charity]

Colossians 2

Hello there,

The main objective of Paul in this chapter is to stay the mind of the believers upon the fact that they are complete in Christ.

He tells them to beware of anything and anyone who would seek to take them away from that complete trust in the all-sufficiency of the finished work of Christ - by whatever means.

Praise His Holy Name!

In Christ Jesus
Our risen and glorified
Saviour, Lord and Head
Chris

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Could you explain! what are a Shadow of things to come, to what is He referring too.
Also the [is] in the verse above is in Italics so it was added in to try to make sense, yet it only distorts the statement.
Who is to Judge? The Body of, other believers!

1)
Re: <<Who is to Judge? The Body or other believers>>
Reply: Not any believers, but the unbelieving "WORLD".

2)
Re: <<Also the [is] in the verse above is in Italics so it was added in to try to make sense, yet it only distorts the statement.>>
Reply: Refer below, point 3) for the <[is]> you refer to.
But the word 'days' at the end of verse 16 is also in italics because it in fact too, is supplied or added, for the obvious reason the translators did not understand the Greek word 'Sabbatohn' Plural Possessive means the single time-entity of the weekly Sabbath-Day. See elaborated above.

3)
Re: <<Could you explain! what are a Shadow of things to come, to what is He referring to ... the [is] in the verse above is in Italics so it was added in to try to make sense, yet it only distorts the statement.>>
Reply: First get your question organised, as follows: 'What 'things' are a shadow of what / which things?'
Then the text and context are self-explanatory: The "eating and drinking of Feast of Sabbaths" are the "shadow-things". So in the Greek you find the verb 'to be' - 'estin' in the Singular. It is just Greek idiom-- a kind of idiom found in English too where the Plural is treated as a collective Singular. It's of no peculiar significance.

4) The real question therefore must be, What is the "shadow" the shadow OF?
And the answer is written: "..of things TO COME / of things-A-COMING soon / of things IMMINENT, READY AND WAITING"! Ready and waiting for WHAT? For "the Body of Christ's Own .. holding to the HEAD (Christ given to the Church as Head) .. the HEAD from which / from whom all the Body (the Church) have Nourishment ministered by joints and bands and knit together grows and increases with the increase and growth and vigour of GOD!" Therefore the "Sabbath's-Feast-of-Christ-the-Substance of "eating and drinking of Christ by the Hearing and Proclamation of the WORD, is the shadow of the CHURCH. The Church Suffering for Christ and JUDGED by all who are not of the Body of Christ is the shadow and spectre of the Church TRIUMPHANT.

That is what the Letter to the Colossians IS ABOUT from the first to the last word of it which Paul wrote.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

They heard what sounded like a trumpet. John in Revelation hears a trumpet. I believe John did enter the perpetual rest.

Yes, the only 'days' the Bible tells a trumpet was sounded on, were the "sabbaths" in the Torah. And John was "in the Spirit on the Lord's Day". Jesus was "quickened / resurrected by the Spirit"--"on the Sabbath"; "The trumpet shall sound and the dead shall be raised" as "The Dead"-"the Lord of the Sabbath" was raised "on the Sabbath".