Keeping Jesus' commanads is requirement for salvation

[Barrd]

Folks, I'm not looking to become a participant in this thread. I have my reasons. I'm just watching how it develops and turns out. I have one question which I'm asking for clarification. I'm certain if I went back through all six pages, I'd find it. Perhaps someone can save me the trouble.

My question is what exactly are the commandments we are supposed to keep that Jesus spoke of when he said, "if you love me, keep my comnandments".

Thanks

I believe with all of my being that Jesus was speaking of the Ten Commandments. Those Commandments were written on stone, to show their permanence...and God wrote them Himself, with His Own finger. In other words, these Commandments do not come to us second-hand through the mouth of some inspired writer, but from the very Hand of God Himself. Those tablets of stone were placed within the Ark of the Covenant, along with other precious proofs that God led Israel.
Now, this does not include the rest of the Mosaic law, which Moses wrote in a book, and which was not placed within the Ark, but only laid beside it.
Lots of people will tell you that this was the Old Covenant...and they'd be right, of course....except that God also said that He would include His law in the New Covenant....only this time He would not write it on tablets of stone, but within our very hearts. And He promised that in the New Covenant, He would forgive our sins, and remember them no more.
Also, Jesus re-capped those Commandments, expanding on them. Yes, even the fourth Commandment got His attention...He told us that the Sabbath was made for man...not man for the Sabbath, and He told us that it was lawful to do good on the Sabbath. And, most importantly, He called Himself the Lord of the Sabbath. Remember, though...this only includes the commandment AS GOD WROTE IT...it doesn't include all the rig-a-ma-role about not kindling fire, or stoning folks for gathering sticks, or any of that rot. It ONLY includes a blessed day of rest....the one requirement other than you rest on that day, would be that you allow the people around you to also rest.
As for the other nine Commandments...well, they sorta go without saying, don't they?

 

[FHII]

Thanks ewq. However, I was looking for something a bit more concrete. I mean, Jesus comnanded some to find him a colt once. Spieitually speaking, I understand, but does he still need it? He also told peter to go fishing so he could find a coin to pay taxes with. Is that still in effect? Again, spiritual meaning I can meditate on, but should I go fishing April 14th?

Jesus also comnanded Judas to go quickly in what he was going to do. And funny thing is, he obeyed! I apologize, but that command is one I don't believe was one meant for me.

Ovviously, discernment is needed in such situations, and by no means am I asking an entrapping question. Bot puposely, anyway.

This is not tge first time sokeone has said tha t if we love Jesus, we have ti keep his comnandments. Not the first time on this board, on oother boards nor in history, I suspect.

But for my benefitvin watching this conversation unfold, I'd kike clarification on what Jesus said exactly. That is, from those who said in rhe thread that it must be so.

 

[ewq1938]

Thanks ewq. However, I was looking for something a bit more concrete. I mean, Jesus comnanded some to find him a colt once. Spieitually speaking, I understand, but does he still need it? He also told peter to go fishing so he could find a coin to pay taxes with. Is that still in effect? Again, spiritual meaning I can meditate on, but should I go fishing April 14th?

Those were directed to certain people not to all. I think the context is pretty clear on that, don't you?

Jesus also comnanded Judas to go quickly in what he was going to do. And funny thing is, he obeyed! I apologize, but that command is one I don't believe was one meant for me.

That's obvious.

Ovviously, discernment is needed in such situations, and by no means am I asking an entrapping question. Bot puposely, anyway.

This is not tge first time sokeone has said tha t if we love Jesus, we have ti keep his comnandments. Not the first time on this board, on oother boards nor in history, I suspect.

But for my benefitvin watching this conversation unfold, I'd kike clarification on what Jesus said exactly. That is, from those who said in rhe thread that it must be so.

You are going to give me a stroke with all these type'os lol

 

[mjrhealth]

I've given you every chance to deny that you are gay, and you have brushed me off.
So, I'm going to quit beating around the bush...are you a homosexual, as you stated in an earlier thread? Or are you straight?

Does it matter or is it you need someone to pick on. You have already shown your disgust and hate for them yet Christ speaks of love which you seem to completely ignore, but you see I wont answer you because I really dont think it maters to you one little bit. You have already made up your mind, so I guess you will have to wait untill Judgement day to find out.

.are you a homosexual, as you stated in an earlier thread?

Well I guess you dont read very well, it amazing how Jesus talks about, eyes to see and ears to hear, you seem to se what you want to see. If I was you i would find that post an re read it, and I wil accept you apology right now, all is forgiven.

In all His Love

 

[Barrd]

Thanks ewq. However, I was looking for something a bit more concrete. I mean, Jesus comnanded some to find him a colt once. Spieitually speaking, I understand, but does he still need it? He also told peter to go fishing so he could find a coin to pay taxes with. Is that still in effect? Again, spiritual meaning I can meditate on, but should I go fishing April 14th?

Jesus also comnanded Judas to go quickly in what he was going to do. And funny thing is, he obeyed! I apologize, but that command is one I don't believe was one meant for me.

Ovviously, discernment is needed in such situations, and by no means am I asking an entrapping question. Bot puposely, anyway.

This is not tge first time sokeone has said tha t if we love Jesus, we have ti keep his comnandments. Not the first time on this board, on oother boards nor in history, I suspect.

But for my benefitvin watching this conversation unfold, I'd kike clarification on what Jesus said exactly. That is, from those who said in rhe thread that it must be so.

Mat 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

How beautifully these verses fit with the Ten Commandments.
How better to show one's love for God, than by keeping the first four of them?
Do we love others also, by keeping the fourth command, and letting others also rest on the Sabbath?
And do we not show our love for others by keeping the last six of them?

But my very favorite passage in the entire Bible is this:

Joh 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Joh 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

 

[FHII]

Well ewq, I gotta tell you sonething. I might be a prophet. Cause after I read my post, I thouht, "goodness, someone's going to comment on all my typos!" Sorry, my friend! I'm replying on my phone. My thumb is bigger than the buttons! Perhaps you can see through my spelling errors and understand what I was asking.

Again, I really don't look to enter into the conversation. I just want clarification on exactly what poeple are saying Jesus told us to do.

Thanks

 

[ewq1938]

Do we love others also, by keeping the fourth command, and letting others also rest on the Sabbath?

No. We show love by teaching what the true Sabbath is now.

 

[ewq1938]

Well ewq, I gotta tell you sonething. I might be a prophet. Cause after I read my post, I thouht, "goodness, someone's going to comment on all my typos!" Sorry, my friend! I'm replying on my phone. My thumb is bigger than the buttons! Perhaps you can see through my spelling errors and understand what I was asking.

It was just a lighthearted joke :)

I just want clarification on exactly what poeple are saying Jesus told us to do.

We have to separate what he said to certain people and what he commanded ALL his followers.

 

[Barrd]

Does it matter or is it you need someone to pick on. You have already shown your disgust and hate for them yet Christ speaks of love which you seem to completely ignore, but you see I wont answer you because I really dont think it maters to you one little bit. You have already made up your mind, so I guess you will have to wait untill Judgement day to find out.

Well I guess you dont read very well, it amazing how Jesus talks about, eyes to see and ears to hear, you seem to se what you want to see. If I was you i would find that post an re read it, and I wil accept you apology right now, all is forgiven.

In all His Love

I'm not trying to go back through all of this junk to find one post...
You certainly were defending homosexuality, that I do know for sure. You told me how easy it was to be "born perfect" and I very quickly let you know that I was far from perfect.
Now, if I took you to mean that you are gay, and you tell me that I was mistaken, I will most humbly apologize right here and now.
Again, I never said I was perfect, and yes, I do make mistakes.
But again...if you are not gay, why are you defending them? God has said that it is an abomination...instead of encouraging them to continue in that lifestyle, we need to be urging them to give it up and come to Christ.

 

[Barrd]

Well ewq, I gotta tell you sonething. I might be a prophet. Cause after I read my post, I thouht, "goodness, someone's going to comment on all my typos!" Sorry, my friend! I'm replying on my phone. My thumb is bigger than the buttons! Perhaps you can see through my spelling errors and understand what I was asking.

Again, I really don't look to enter into the conversation. I just want clarification on exactly what poeple are saying Jesus told us to do.

Thanks

I hate those tiny "qwerty keyboards" that they put on cell phones. But what is even worse are those auto-correct features....I wound up calling my son's dog, a little Shih Tzu mix named Toogie, Google...he is still laughing at me over that one...

 

[Barrd]

No. We show love by teaching what the true Sabbath is now.

Yes, Ewq...we know that Jesus is our Sabbath, and that we can rest in Him. It's a beautiful relationship, and I am sooo grateful to Him.

However, there is much to be said for taking a day away from our labors, and spending it relaxing with our families.
As I have said, I've been doing that for a long time...ever since my kids were little...and it has been a blessing for all of us. Now that the kids are grown, they keep the same thing in their own families. My sons in law do love having their Saturdays with no "honey-do" lists, and my grandkids also love having their Saturdays with no chores. My daughters in law have reveled in having their families around them on our special day, rather than scattering to the winds as so many kids seem to do on Saturday. And every now and then one of my sons or sons in law will do something really special, like fix Momma breakfast in bed. Some of the grandkids have chafed a bit at staying home...but their parents will let them have friends over, and they have also enjoyed the time. And every now and then, their parents will take them somewhere like the park, or the beach, or somewhere they can "hang out" without spending any money and having someone else work for them. And now there are great grand-kids, and their parents are doing the same thing.
It has kept the whole family close...not to mention, making it much easier to plan things like birthday parties, family barbeques, anniversary parties, and other such get-togethers.

Yes, Ewq, I think we show love to others when we let them have that one day.

The whole world honors the Lord's Sabbath, whether it would or no. Isn't Saturday THE day when all the cool stuff happens? The big game...the weekend bash...the prom...the company picnic...etc, etc, etc....we even have a restaurant called "T.G.I.F." which stands for Thank God It's Friday...and we all know what that's about, don't we?

 

[ewq1938]

Yes, Ewq...we know that Jesus is our Sabbath, and that we can rest in Him. It's a beautiful relationship, and I am sooo grateful to Him.

However, there is much to be said for taking a day away from our labors, and spending it relaxing with our families.

That's fine but claiming it is in honor of the original Sabbath is, NO OFFENSE, but is an insult to those who went without all the various things that the original Sabbath forbade. I understand your intent but your version of the Sabbath is an easy version that God never commanded people to observe. His original Sabbath had lots of rules.

 

[Barrd]

That's fine but claiming it is in honor of the original Sabbath is, NO OFFENSE, but is an insult to those who went without all the various things that the original Sabbath forbade. I understand your intent but your version of the Sabbath is an easy version that God never commanded people to observe. His original Sabbath had lots of rules.

We are not under the Old Covenant any more. All those laws that Moses wrote no longer apply.
We are now under the New Covenant. The Ten Commandments are still valid under this new Covenant, although some would try to deny that fact. They are written, not on tables of stone, but within our very hearts. I suspect that is why the world honors the Lord's Sabbath.
We are doing our best to keep the Sabbath according to the command as God wrote it with His finger on tablets of stone...we are not trying to keep all the requirements that Moses added.
Maybe you didn't read how my husband was taken from us by a drunk driver, leaving me with seven kids, no insurance and no skills. I didn't even have a driver's license...and the car had been totaled anyhow. The baby was still in her diapers. I WORKED...and I mean I worked HARD. I did whatever I could find to do...I cleaned people's houses, I did their laundry, I sat with their kids and with their elderly parents...I often worked from sunup to sundown...and somehow, I managed to get myself an Associate's Degree from a local Jr. College that landed me a pretty good job as a legal secretary...and I could actually cut out all the other stuff...well, most of it, anyway. Eventually, I moved up to legal assistant, and those days of working myself into exhaustion were at an end.
I tell you, if not for my precious Saturdays, I would have lost my mind during those early years. God knew what I needed...and it got me through the hardest time in my life. I will always treasure His Sabbath.
I know that it has been a blessing for me and my family....and I'm pretty sure it would be a blessing for anyone else who would do it, as well.

 

[mjrhealth]

Joh 9:16 Therefore said some of the Pharisees, This man is not of God, because he keepeth not the sabbath day. Others said, How can a man that is a sinner do such miracles? And there was a division among them.

Funny isnt it Bard.

Revelation only comes from God....

In all His Love

 

[ewq1938]

We are not under the Old Covenant any more. All those laws that Moses wrote no longer apply.
We are now under the New Covenant. The Ten Commandments are still valid under this new Covenant, although some would try to deny that fact.

It isn't a fact. Most are included in the new covenant but the 4th commandment is not included in it's original form. We still have a Sabbath, but it is not related to a Saturday nor is it related to not working, not making fire, not cooking or gathering.

Maybe you didn't read how my husband was taken from us by a drunk driver, leaving me with seven kids, no insurance and no skills. I didn't even have a driver's license...and the car had been totaled anyhow. The baby was still in her diapers. I WORKED...and I mean I worked HARD. I did whatever I could find to do...I cleaned people's houses, I did their laundry, I sat with their kids and with their elderly parents...I often worked from sunup to sundown...and somehow, I managed to get myself an Associate's Degree from a local Jr. College that landed me a pretty good job as a legal secretary...and I could actually cut out all the other stuff...well, most of it, anyway. Eventually, I moved up to legal assistant, and those days of working myself into exhaustion were at an end.
I tell you, if not for my precious Saturdays, I would have lost my mind during those early years. God knew what I needed...and it got me through the hardest time in my life. I will always treasure His Sabbath.
I know that it has been a blessing for me and my family....and I'm pretty sure it would be a blessing for anyone else who would do it, as well.

That's all fine but there is a huge difference between "keeping the Sabbath" like the OT describes and what you are keeping. It's fine you keep Saturdays as a special day...you could keep any day if you wanted. What the OT speaks of is entirely different.

 

[Barrd]

Joh 9:16 Therefore said some of the Pharisees, This man is not of God, because he keepeth not the sabbath day. Others said, How can a man that is a sinner do such miracles? And there was a division among them.

Funny isnt it Bard.

Revelation only comes from God....

In all His Love

You do know that Jesus and His disciples kept the Sabbath day all of their lives, I hope?

 

[Barrd]

It isn't a fact. Most are included in the new covenant but the 4th commandment is not included in it's original form. We still have a Sabbath, but it is not related to a Saturday nor is it related to not working, not making fire, not cooking or gathering.

The New Covenant

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

This could only refer to the Ten Commandments.

BTW, this prophecy is repeated, practically word for word, in Hebrews.

That's all fine but there is a huge difference between "keeping the Sabbath" like the OT describes and what you are keeping. It's fine you keep Saturdays as a special day...you could keep any day if you wanted. What the OT speaks of is entirely different.

Exo 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Exo 20:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

There it is, as God wrote it. Show me where it says that I can't kindle a fire, or cook, or take a drive in the country, or go horseback riding, or gather sticks...

EDIT:
No, no "other day" would work, because first of all, no other day is mentioned in the Bible and second, there is no other day where everyone has the day off.

 

[ewq1938]

EDIT:
No, no "other day" would work, because first of all, no other day is mentioned in the Bible and second, there is no other day where everyone has the day off.

You are looking at the wrong religion for answers.

 

[mjrhealth]

Covenant made with Israel,

Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Heb 8:7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
Heb 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Heb 8:9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
Heb 8:11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

Heb 10:8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
Heb 10:9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

There goes teh Law right out the door for the Israelites, not even our covenant...

In all His LOve

 

[Barrd]

You are looking at the wrong religion for answers.

Excuse me? I've been a Christian ever since I was a girl of twelve....I'm about to celebrate my 65th birthday.
Now you're telling me I should look into some other religion?