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    Whether you believe Cain is the offspring of Satan or not you must understand that Cain gave himself over completely to Satan he joined in Satan's plan to destroy salvation through Christ his descents are evil in the world they are Satan's workers they are known in the bible as kennites. They weave themselves through the entire story of the Bible. Cain is never found in Adams genealogy because he was so completely disowned I believe because he is not Adams son but reguardless he is fully disowned.To fully understand Gods plan you have to understand the negative side(Satans plan) which works against the positive(Gods plan). It is these descendants of Cain that call themselves Jews but are not in Rev. 1-3 you will find the only two churches God was pleased with are Smyrna and Philadelphia which taught about these.There are stone tablets found at archaeological digs that are believed to be from the city Cain built and named for his first son that lead some archaeologist to believe it was Cain who created the first false gods/goddess such as Ishtar Cain was the responsible for starting the first Idol worshippers. To learn more about these Archaeological studies you can read the following Book on line. (Sargon means cain King)http://www.docrob.100megsfree5.com/sargon/sargon001.htmAlthough modern scholars seem to ignore the possibility that Cain may have influenced the history of the ancient world, three notable writers at the beginning of the Christian era (St. Jude, Josephus and Philo) suggested that Cain's influence was evil and enduring; while a modern poet reminds us that somewhere in the world, Cain's descendants must have worked out their tragic destiny.__________________
     
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    Excert from above bookThe fact that the ruins of several palaces have been excavated in Crete, built on the same lines, although at intervals of centuries, supports the theory that Cain, who lived for centuries, (**2) was their architect; and the following statement helps myargument by showing that there once lived in Crete a priest king of gigantic size who is suspected of sacrificing human beings and, perhaps, of cannibalism. Sir Arthur Evans is reported as saying:"The discoveries which had been made by the French were of extraordinary interest. They found that the rooms in which the ruler lived- he was certainly a priest king - were on one storey and that windows looked out upon an open corridor. Facing the central court was a raised stone platform, or loggia, approached by steps and with part of an altar on top of it. The priest king evidently went up to his rooms on the inside and showed himself to the people in the central court, and no doubt he performed certain rites or addressed the people. In a little room the French investigators had found a pot which could be dated about 2100 B.C. and an immense bronze sword longer than any ancient sword known in Europe. The sword was a beautiful fabric, gold plated on the hilt and ending amount of amethystine colors, and it evidently belonged to the king priest. Fragments of bone, which would probably prove to be human, were also found. There had been discovered also a bronze axe, the back of which was formed in the shape of a leopard and was covered with spiral ornamentation. (Duet. song of Moses says the spot of the leopard is not our spot)This was a ceremonial axe that had belonged to a cult which came over, no doubt, from Asia Minor, and it was apparently the badge of the King's dignity as priest, as the sword was the badge of his civil power. These formed the first remains that had been found on one of the early prehistoric kings." (Times newspaper, November 11th, 1925) Seeing that Sargon of Akkad may be traced to Crete and that the civilization of that island is dated back to Sargon's period (according to the monuments) (**1) and to Cain's (according to the Bible dates) it may be confidently claimed that no morereasonable explanation is to be found for its pre-historic glories than that Cain with his superhuman knowledge once ruled there. If those fragments of bone are really human, they, as well as the mighty sword and the ceremonial axe, may be sinister links with the "first murderer." As the priest king of Enlil what ghastly rites may he not have performed upon that platform in sight of his cringing courtiers? Were the Babylonian priests serious or ironical when they wrote of Sargon that "he poured out his glory over the world?" (**1)VII. THE SAD END OF SARGON (Cain King)A late Jewish tradition describes Cain in his last days as a fugitive and a terrible spectacle, having grown a long horn upon his forehead. (**1) He is said to have been mistaken for a wild beast while lurking in a thicket and to have been shot by his blind descendant Lamech. Whether there is any truth in that story or not, it certainly appears from the garbled fragments of the priests' writings that the "Babylonian Charlemagne" fell on evil days. According to Professor King, one of Sargon's inscriptions says: "Because of the evil which he had committed the great Marduk was angry and he destroyed his people by famine. From the rising of the sun unto the setting of the sun they opposed him and gave him no rest... It may seem strange that such an ending should follow the account of a brilliant and victorious reign. But it is perhaps permissible to see in the evil deeds ascribed to Sargon a reference to his policy of deportation which may have raised him bitter enemies among the priesthood and the more conservative elements in the population of the country." (Sumer and Akkad, p.240) The theory that Sargon was in the habit of deporting his subjects encourages the assumption that Cain's civilization and customs were early spread abroad. (**2) (**1) Sumer and Akkad p.249, L. King. See pp 132-144(**2) Excavated by the French school of Athens.(**1) Ency. Brit., Ed. XI, Crete. "The successive 'Minoan' strata, which go well back into the fourth millennium B.C."
     
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    I guess since my last few posts have been deleted,that means I should try again.I presented a literal perspective of the verses of Eves trangression in the perverse translation I could find in the concordance,I cant find it here.I even went so far as to give my own logical interpritation of what Moses would have wrote if he saw Satan and Eve have sex,I cant find it here.I guess this one will be deleted as well.
     
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    I have told you show me scripture your own paraphrasing of what you think Moses would have to say is pure speculation and has no part in a Bible study of the verses. And I will continue to delete such lued trash you want speak for Moses go to comedy site
     
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    See if this satisfies your requirements.The "Seed of Satan"Does the Devil Have Offspringon This Earth?A growing movement in this country is spewing out virulent hatred against certain ethnic and racial groups-particularly the Jews claiming that they are the lineal descendants of the serpentine creature who appeared to Eve in the Garden of Eden. Perhaps you have heard of this "seedline" teaching. If so, it is past time you saw the TRUTH about this hate-mongering doctrine!by Vance A. StinsonIt's shocking but true! There are "ministers" right here in the United States of America (and Canada) who hold high the banner bearing the name of Jesus Christ, and, at the same time, propagate a venomous doctrine of hatred not unlike the one espoused by Adolph Hitler and his band of hate-mongering madmen! The Jew, they say, is the spiteful enemy of all that is good, right, decent, and Christian.Many of these preachers claim that the Jews of today are descendants of Cain, who they say was the "bastard son" born to a direct union between the "serpent" (Satan, or Lucifer) and Eve. This belief is called the doctrine of the "serpent's seed," often called "two seedlines" or "seed of Satan.""Seedline" preachers claim that today's Jews are counterfeits of the true descendants of the house of Judah; that rather than being a blessing to the world, as the true people of God were intended to be, these counterfeits keep a stranglehold on the economy of the Western world through their corrupt, usury based banking systems, and are behind the production of all forms of "entertainment" containing pornographic filth and anti-Christian messages.We are told that these "children of the Devil" cannot help but perpetrate the lies of their father; it's in their nature, as part of their genetic programming.One of their greatest lies, we are told, was the Holocaust, said to be the greatest hoax of the twentieth century-a lie concocted and perpetuated by the Jews in order to win the sympathy of the world, as they plot toward world dominion.It's no secret that there are despots and fanatics in this world who would like nothing better than the utter destruction of the Jews. Hitler tried it; Saddam Hussein has threatened it. But now, incredibly, we are seeing so-called "Christian ministers"-right here in the United States!-advocating a doctrine of hatred against these same people!And, believe it or not, some of the more fanatical of this lot are suggesting that the true Christian should be willing and ready to wage war against the Jews!Hatred in the Name of JesusOne particularly outspoken "seed of Satan" preacher stated in a message before a live audience: "I can never love a Jew, not in a million years; and he'll never love me. There's an inborn enmity between us. We hate each other with a purple passion. I've read the last chapter of this book [the Bible], and we win, we win, with ... a purple hatred, a purple-passion hatred."The preacher boasted of how he is not afraid to curse the Jews. "I call them the bastard sons of Satan that they are," he said; "kinky-haired, beady-eyed, forked-tongued little bastards...."He told of how he had said to his wife: "I doubt seriously if I die of old age.... I'm going to die in a bloodbath, gun battle, some day, but I'm going to take a lot of them damn' Jews down with me when I go."He even seemed to suggest that wielding the sword against Jewry is a Christian duty. He stated: "I pity the minister who stands before Yahweh God with a clean, shiny, polished sword in his hand. When I stand before Him, I want notches on my sword, lots of them. And I want blood on it, enemies' blood."The preacher adamantly insisted that Jews cannot become Christians, and will never enter the Kingdom of God. He stated that God Himself has promoted and perpetuated the hatred that supposedly exists between the Jews and White ("Adamite") Christians.You may find it hard to believe that a professing-Christian minister could stand up in a pulpit somewhere in the United States and spout such hate-mongering nonsense; nevertheless, it's true! The above quotations were taken from excerpts of two taped messages given in October and November of 1990.Some seedline preachers seem less malevolent than the one quoted above, though their doctrine still appeals to the prejudices of certain people. Dan Gayman, for instance, of the "Church of Israel," headquartered in Schell City, Missouri, writes: "Remember that God created all the races separately and distinctly, that He has a plan and purpose for every race, and that you should harbor hatred toward none of God's creation" (The Watchman, Summer, 1989, p. 26).This seems to be in line with the teachings of genuine Christianity. Yet, notice what the same author wrote in the Summer, 1988 edition of The Watchman: "Is it not plain now for you to see that those people who have the Talmud as their Bible and the Synagogue as their temple, who have Lucifer as their God and usury as their economic weapon in this world, are indeed an evil people because they come from the fountain head of evil? Are you not able to see that they have always been a vagabond and fugitive race because they inherited these genetic qualities from Cain? ... Do you not understand why they have always been the shopkeepers, merchants, and bankers of all the nations and not the farmers and tillers of the land? When you build the genetic link to these people back to Cain, you have all the answers just as close by as your nearest Bible" (p. 27).Such a teaching can only arouse bigotry, hatred; give people with anti-Semitic inclinations an "excuse" for their prejudice. But, hopefully, all will admit that if the teaching is not true-if the "seed of Satan" doctrine is not in agreement with the Word of God-then it obviously has NO PLACE in Christianity! It should be-must be-cast out as the ungodly, hate-mongering, DAMNABLE HERESY that it is!Herein you will find undeniable proof that the "serpent's seed" teaching stands in bold contradiction to the clear and simple TRUTH of your Bible! But first, let's briefly review the basic premise of this doctrine."...Thy Seed and Her Seed"Seedline preachers claim that Genesis 3:15 lies at the very foundation of scriptural truth. It is held up as "probably the single most important verse in the Holy Scriptures" (Charles Lee Mange, The Two Seeds of Genesis 3:15, p. 4), and is said to be "the KEY to the grand truth of the Holy and Sacred Scriptures" (ibid.). It is called "the seed plot of all scripture," and its "proper understanding" is said to be "vital to the total pattern of discerning all scripture" (ibid. p. 12), and necessary "to a mature understanding of Scripture or the World Situation" (ibid. p. 13).In Genesis 3:15, God says, "And I will put enmity between thee [the "serpent," or Satan] and the woman [Eve], and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."Seedline proponents argue that if "her seed" (Eve's legitimate posterity) is a literal, flesh-and-blood race, then "thy seed" (Satan's progeny) must also be a literal, flesh-and-blood race. We are inconsistent in our interpretation, we are told, if we say that one "seed" is literal and the other is spiritual, or symbolic.Thus, two races came from Eve-one by Satan, the other by Adam. Adam's descendants, through Seth, are said to be the "holy people" who have proclivities toward righteousness and good deeds; while Satan's descendants, through Cain, have the characteristics of the father of their race.As you might imagine, the "forbidden fruit" (Genesis 3:6) Eve partook of was not an apple! It was, we are told, illicit sexual relations with the Devil.According to the teaching, the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil" represents the serpent, or Satan; the Hebrew word translated "eat" can be rendered "lay"; the word "food" refers to sex; "fruit" implies offspring, or the "seed" that produces offspring.Thus, Genesis 3:6 may be interpreted this way: "And when the woman saw that Satan was good for sex, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a serpent to be desired to make one wise [note: sex and wisdom are related in pagan religions], she took of the seed thereof, and did lay..." Cain and Abel (Genesis 4:1-2), we are told, were twins, but had different fathers. Satan was the father of Cain; Adam was the father of Abel. "Two seeds" proponents point out that it is possible for twins to have different fathers.The serpent's seedline began with Cain, survived the Flood through one or more of Noah's daughters-in-law, and continued through the Canaanites and related peoples. In the time of Jesus, they were found among the Pharisees, and in the world today, they are known as Jews, who seedline preachers say are counterfeits of the true House of Judah.Proponents of this doctrine play hop-scotch through the Scriptures, seeking out words and phrases that seem supportive of their belief. They point to Matthew 3:7, where John the Baptist calls the Pharisees and Sadducees a "generation [race] of vipers [serpents]"; to Matthew 23, where Jesus calls the scribes and Pharisees "serpents," a "generation of vipers," and "children of them which killed the prophets."They frequently cite John 8:44, where Jesus, speaking to a group of Jews, says, "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do." They claim that it was this "counterfeit bastard seedline" who cried out, "Let Him [Jesus] be crucified!" (Matthew 27:22-23), and who said, "His blood be on us, and on our children" (verse 26).One of the most frequent scriptural references appearing in seedline publications is I John 3:12, which speaks of "Cain, who was of that wicked one...." Another is John 10:26, where Jesus says to the Jews, "But ye believe not, because you are not of my sheep...."They also trace the Devil's seedline through the Old Testament. They seem especially fond of passages such as Zechariah 14:21, which foretells the time when "there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts"; and Obadiah 18, which speaks of a time when "there shall not be any remaining of the house of Esau."To this latter verse, the afore-mentioned preacher added his commentary: "Praise God," he said; "when this thing finally goes down, you'll search this kingdom over and you will not find one single solitary Jew left anywhere, because God has spoken it."We could cite many other scriptures seedline preachers commonly use as proof texts, but the above should give you a sufficiently clear picture of their doctrinal position and of the prejudice and hatred that so obviously underlies their position.Prejudice and hatred are by no means rare in the world in which we live. Chances are, some of you reading this article have had, at one time or another, negative feelings toward people of racial or ethnic origins different from your own. Perhaps some of you have feelings strong enough that you could be easily influenced by the "seed of Satan" teaching. If so, realize that such feelings can actually blind you to the truth of the revealed Word of God!So lay aside whatever prejudices you may have, now, as we put this seedline doctrine to the acid test of Holy Scripture! It's time we stopped allowing our feelings-our prejudices, our animosities, our biases-to shape and form our beliefs! It's time we start letting the Bible give us our beliefs, and stop trying to read our own ideas into the Bible!It's time we understood the TRUTH of this matter!Who was Cain's Father?As stated above, seedline preachers claim that Cain and Abel were fraternal twins begotten of different fathers. Cain, said to be Satan's son, was begotten first, before his twin brother Abel, the son of Adam. Advocates of the doctrine say that this agrees perfectly with Genesis 4:1-2.But first, before we examine this passage, let's define two important terms: exegesis and eisegesis. Simply stated, exegesis is the use of those interpretational principles whereby one derives information from a specific text. Eisegesis, on the other hand, is the reading of one's own concepts and ideas into a specific text.As anyone should be able to see, the use of eisegesis in interpreting the Scriptures can only lead to blatant error!With this in mind, let's see if we can determine what Genesis 4:1-2 really says."And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of the sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground."Notice that this passage does not tell us that Cain and Abel were fraternal twins. Just as we are not told how much time passed before Cain and Abel took up their occupations of "keeper of sheep" and "tiller of the ground," we are not told how much time passed between the births of the two boys. The "fraternal twins" theory is just that-a theory!The passage does tell us that Cain was the son of ADAM! Notice that (1) Adam "knew" Eve (all biblical scholars agree that the word "knew," in this case, denotes a sexual union), (2) Eve conceived, and (3) Eve gave birth to Cain.Eve conceived after Adam "knew" her, and a male child, Cain, resulted from that union! This is what the passage clearly says, and this is the ONLY natural way to understand it! (The same sequence-(1) sexual union, (2) conception, (3) birth-is found in verse 17, and all agree on who is the father!)The only way to make Cain the son of anyone other than Adam is to read into the passage something that is not there! This is eisegesis, and, as we have noted, eisegesis is a sure road to FALSE DOCTRINE!Now, let's see yet another example of how seedline preachers pervert the true meaning of the Holy Scriptures.Eve's "Affair" with the DevilAs we have noted, seedline preachers claim that the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil" represents Satan the devil. We have also noted that they insist upon "consistency" in interpreting the symbols and terms we find in the Scriptures. Yet, they are notoriously inconsistent in applying their own rule!Notice how the word "tree" is used in Genesis 3:1-3:"Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every TREE of the garden? And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the TREES of the garden: But of the fruit of the TREE which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die."If the "tree which is in the midst of the garden" represents something other than a tree, as seedline preachers claim, then shouldn't they stick to their rule of "consistency" and insist that all the "trees of the garden" represent something other than trees? In fact, doesn't "consistency" demand that the fruit bearing trees of the garden represent living beings on the same order as the Devil?And what of the word "fruit"? If the "fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden" is interpreted as the serpent's offspring-producing "seed," shouldn't all other references to "fruit" in this section of Scripture be interpreted accordingly?Further, if "eat" means "lay"-thus carrying sexual connotations-then what are we to do with Genesis 2:16-17, where God tells Adam that he may "freely eat" of "every tree of the garden" except the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil"? And what are we going to do with the third chapter, where this word appears fifteen times?Why not look this word up in a concordance, and see how it is used in the second and third chapters of Genesis? You will find that it cannot possibly mean anything but "eat"!Surely any unbiased student of the Holy Scriptures can see the folly in the seedline preachers' interpretational methods!There can be little doubt that some amount of symbolism can be found in the Genesis account, but the idea that Genesis 3:6 is a description of an illicit sexual relationship involving Eve and the Devil is a classic example of eisegesis-reading one's own ideas into a specific text!A natural reading of the text leaves no room for the idea that the "serpent" and the "tree" are one and the same; no room for the idea that Eve's affair with the serpent in any way involved sex.Clearly, the "seed of Satan" finds no support in the Genesis account. We can only conclude that the doctrine is the bastard offspring of those seduced by the malignant HATRED that comes in the guise of "righteousness"!The Genetics "Gospel"According to seedline preachers, the unfortunate progeny of the "spurious counterfeit seedline" behave wickedly because they have been genetically programmed to behave that way. They are utterly helpless to behave any other way.The "holy" seedline-beginning with Adam, and continuing through Seth, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, etc.-on the other hand, have an inborn proclivity toward righteousness and good works. They are the true, genetically "pure," Israelites (or "Adamites") who accepted Christianity, who recognized the voice of their Shepherd and followed Him. Today, they are the White, Anglo-Saxon, Celtic, Lombardic, Germanic, Scandinavian, Slavonic, and Kindred peoples.The outspoken preacher quoted near the beginning of this article described this group as God's "...royal priesthood, his prize possession, his dynasty of priests." He advised his audience to engage in "fruit inspection" in order to find out "who's who, and who's Jew"-for the two seedlines, we are told, can be distinguished by their "fruits."Gayman writes: "Just as the true seed of Abraham, descended through Isaac and Jacob-Israel, has always displayed a proclivity toward acceptance of Jesus Christ, confirmed a belief in the Bible, has sought to build churches and embrace the faith of Christianity, so have the children of Satan, the seedline of evil sought to battle against Jesus Christ, wrestle and fight against the Bible, wear down and destroy Christianity, and seek the ruin and demise of Christian culture from this earth. A bit of simple logic will tell you that if good and positive things have been sought by the true seed of Abraham, then negative and evil programs have been the inspiration of those who are the counterfeit seed of Abraham" (The Watchman, Summer, 1988, p. 25).The "genetics" message comes across loud and clear. We can determine who the genetically defective "seed of the serpent" are by simply looking at their "fruits"-their works, or deeds. And, we are told, we must realize that they cannot "change their spots," cannot turn to God in true repentance. Their "genetic incoding"-inherited from their father the Devil-simply will not permit it.If this is true, then we should not be able to find any evidence in Scripture that Cain or any of his descendants could have changed for the better. But we do find such evidence!Notice Genesis 4:3-7: "And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD. And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering: But unto Cain and of his offering He had no respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell."And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted [margin: lifted up]? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him [margin: resist sin]."The New American Standard Bible renders the latter portion of verse 7 this way: "And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door; and its desire is for you, but you must master it."If Cain could not help but commit sin--if he was bound by his "genetic incoding," and could only do what he had been programmed to do-then WHY did God admonish Him to DO BETTER, and to MASTER ANY DESIRE TO COMMIT SIN? If Cain had no choice in the matter, then God's admonition would have been pointless!Clearly, Cain was not locked into some pattern of behavior predetermined by his "genetic incoding"! True, he went on to murder his brother, but he did have a choice in the matter-it was not a matter of genetics!Moreover, if the so-called "holy seed" have proclivities opposite those of the "wicked seed," then why did the House of Israel fail so miserably? Why did the descendants of Jacob-Israel turn to evil time after time?You would think that a people with proclivities toward righteousness would respond positively to God, especially after having seen the mighty miracles He did in Egypt, and after having escaped into the wilderness by way of a miraculous opening in the Red Sea. But after witnessing these marvelous miracles, hardly any time had passed before they turned to idolatry (Exodus 32).It would seem that a people with a natural inclination toward faith and good works would delight in hearing the voice of God, and would be overjoyed to receive His commandments (see Deuteronomy 5). But such was not the case with the "holy seed" of Israel. Their negative attitude and lack of faith brought a most revealing response from God: " O that there were such an heart in them," He said, "that they would fear me, and keep my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!" (verse 29).If the true descendants of Jacob-Israel always had a proclivity toward accepting Christianity, building churches, and believing the Bible, then why did the vast majority of them stumble at the "Stumblingstone" (Romans 9:31-33); why were they called a "disobedient and gainsaying people" (Romans 10:21; Isaiah 65:1-2); why did the majority of them "fall," leaving only a remnant (Romans 11) to form the foundation of the New Testament church?And if the Israelites have always had a greater proclivity toward accepting Christianity than non-Israelite races, how do we explain the fact that once Paul's ministry was well underway, more non-Israelites than Israelites were converted to Christianity? And why do we find, in the very end of the age, the conversion of 144,000 Israelites, compared with an innumerable multitude-perhaps hundreds of thousands-"...of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues" (Revelation 7:4-9)?Where is the evidence of this so-called "genetic incoding" that causes Shem's descendants to behave one way and Canaan's descendants to behave another way? The truth is, no such evidence exists! Throughout much of their history, the children of Israel seemed all too eager to embrace the ways of the heathen-to erect idols, commit whoredom, forget God's holy law!It may be true that different races have (to some extent) different inborn proclivities, but when measured against the standards of God's law of righteousness, every race comes up short! And if not for the GRACE OF GOD, none of us would stand a chance!That's why Paul could say, "For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon Him" (Romans 10:12).Can Angels Marry?Seedline advocates often point to Genesis the sixth chapter as "proof" that angelic beings can (or could, before the Flood) cohabit with women and engender children.Let's read a portion of the text, and see if the theory holds up."And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose" (verses 1-2).Seedline preachers tell us that the "sons of God" were angels-in this case, fallen angels, or demons, who were merely following along in the talon-tracks of their diabolical leader. They assume that because the expression "sons of God" is used of angels a few times in the Old Testament, it must be speaking of angels in this passage.However, they entirely overlook the fact that the expression "sons of God" (or "children of God") is used far more often of HUMAN BEINGS-particularly God fearing human beings-than of angels. Further, it never seems to occur to seedline proponents that "sons of God" is hardly an appropriate expression for demonic spirits!If we understand "sons of God" to mean God-fearing human beings, then the major theme of the chapter becomes crystal clear: God-fearing men married the daughters of men who did not fear God. This led to less God-fearing and more of the opposite-until, finally, there were no God-fearing people left, except for Noah (please read the entire chapter).The origin of the "giants" (Hebrew: nephilim) mentioned in verse 4 is not clear. The verse seems to say that they were on the earth before the "sons of God" took wives of the "daughters of men." Whether this is correct or not, there is certainly no reason to believe that the nephilim were half-human/half-angel creatures. A simple concordant study of the word will show that nephilim-"giants"-were still on the earth long after the Flood.After considering the facts-after accepting what the text does say, and dismissing what it does not say-we find no support for the "angels married women" theory. Our position is further strengthened by Jesus' statement that the "children of the resurrection" shall be "like the angels" in that they "neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die anymore" (Luke 20:35-36). Angels are "asexual" in nature.Clearly, Genesis the sixth chapter provides no support for the "seed of Satan" doctrine!The "Serpent's Seed" and the FloodSeedline preachers claim that the "spurious counterfeit seedline" survived the Flood-apparently through one or more of Noah's daughters-in-law-and later made its presence known in the descendants of Canaan and related peoples.But there are some major problems with this theory!First, if genetic corruption and its resultant spread of wickedness was the primary cause of the Flood, as some seem to think, then why did God allow the wicked seedline to find its way aboard the.ark?Second, since Noah and his wife and sons were genetically "pure," the serpent's lineage had to have been carried on through Noah's daughters-in-law (which means that they were genetically "impure"). But, unfortunate for seedliners, this theory crumbles in the light of Genesis 9:1:"And God BLESSED Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth."In verse 7, He again states, "And you, be ye fruitful, and multiply; bring forth abundantly in the earth, and multiply therein."Now, had Noah's sons been in unlawful marriages (unlawful according to the seedline doctrine) with descendants of Cain, then surely God would NOT have BLESSED them; would not have commanded them to be fruitful and multiply in the earth-for GOD DOES NOT BLESS UNLAWFUL UNIONS!In spite of the evidence, seedline advocates still find a way to trace the serpent's lineage through the Flood and into the line of Canaan, son of Ham. Their time could be much better spent by following a simple piece of advice:"[Do not] give heed to fables and [Greek; "in"] endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith" (I Timothy 1:4).Destiny of the CanaanitesSeedline preachers point to the curse Noah placed upon Canaan (Genesis 9:25-27), and to the many scriptures carrying unfavorable remarks about the Canaanites, as evidence that the Devil's seedline emerged on this side of the Flood in Canaan's lineage.As stated previously, Zechariah 14:21 seems to be a favorite scripture of certain seedline proponents.The latter part of the verse reads, "...and in that day [when the Kingdom of God is established on this earth] there shall be no more the Canaanite in the house of the LORD of hosts."Does this mean that the descendants of Canaan will be exterminated?In verse 16, same chapter, God says, "And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations [the non-Israelite peoples] which came up against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles."Here we find that non-Israelite peoples-including Egyptians (verse 18)-will worship the true God in the true Way once the Kingdom of God is in place in this earth. But what about the descendants of Canaan? Does verse 21 rule out the possibility that Canaanites will be among the true worshipers? Are Canaanites incapable of repentance, as seedline preachers claim? Or is there scriptural evidence that God will hear the prayers of Canaanites, and will respond positively to their faith?We find the answer in Matthew 15:21-28:"Then Jesus went thence, and departed into the coasts of Tyre and Sidon. And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto Him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil [demon]. But He answered her not a word. And His disciples came and besought Him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us."But He answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Then came she and worshipped Him, saying, Lord, help me. But He answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs."And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table. Then Jesus answered and said unto her, 0 woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour."Seedline preachers naturally focus on Jesus' declaration that He was sent only to the House of Israel, and on His use of the word "dogs."But did Jesus' comments have anything to do with "genetic purity"?No! He was simply showing that the "children" to which the promises were given came first-that is, the Gospel of the Kingdom of God must go first to the "children of the kingdom," the people of Israel. But many other scriptures show that the promises given to Abraham were not to be restricted to Abraham's physical lineage.Doubtless, Matthew included this account in his Gospel in order to show his Jewish readers-many of whom were biased toward Gentiles-that Christ responds positively to the faith of anyone, regardless of race or lineage, and that the grace of God knows no genetic boundaries.Notice that Matthew used the word Canaan. Interestingly, he could have used some other word, but he chose this one. Why? Since the Canaanites were the age-old enemies of Israel, Matthew must have known that the inclusion of this word would magnify the lesson of God's grace and willingness to respond to true faith.This account should lay to rest once and for all the idea that Canaanites cannot express true faith.Zechariah 14:21, then, does not mean that God will destroy all the physical descendants of Canaan. Evidently, the expression "Canaanite," as used in this passage, was a term used of idolatrous people, regardless of lineage just as "Sodomite" was used of something other than "citizen of Sodom," and just as "Babylon" and "Egypt" were used metaphorically of nations and peoples having characteristics similar to those of the ancient cities. (See Deuteronomy 23:17; Revelation 11:8; 14:8.)The "Canaanites" spoken of in Zechariah 14 are described in Revelation 21:27: "And there shall in no wise enter into it [the holy city] any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life"-and that has nothing to do with genetics!A "Race of Serpents"Let's now turn our attention to those passages in the New Testament that are commonly used by seedline proponents to "prove" that many of the Jews of Jesus' day were part of the spurious seedline extending all the way back to Cain.In view of what we have seen thus far, it is obvious that expressions such as "serpents" and "generation of vipers" (see Matthew 3:7; 23:29-35) have nothing to do with lineage. Rather, these terms describe certain behavioral characteristics.Yet, seedline advocates seem completely blind to the clear and simple truth.They point to Matthew 27:22-25, for instance, and insist that those Jews who cried "CRUCIFY HIM!" and who said, "His blood be on us, and on our children," were the counterfeits whose father was the Devil-the descendants of Judah through Shuah the Canaanite.But notice what the apostle Peter said to the assembled crowd on the Day of Pentecost: `Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom YE have crucified, both Lord and Christ" (Acts 2:36).Who crucified Jesus? Was it the counterfeits of the true Israel, the "spurious bastard seedline"?No! The REAL descendants of Jacob-Israel did it, or at least had a part in it! Some of the very same people who had shouted "Crucify Him!" REPENTED on that Day of Pentecost, and received God's Holy Spirit! They became members of the New Testament Church of God!Notice their response to Peter's powerful message:"Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation."Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls" (verses 37-41).Prior to that time, these Jews had been duped by the political minded religious leaders, who had accused Jesus of being a blasphemer who had threatened to destroy the Temple, and a revolutionary who intended to lead a bloody revolt against the Romans. When they learned the truth about Jesus-learned of His true identity as the promised Messiah-they were "pricked in their hearts," having realized what they had done.The fact is, these people did turn to God in heart-rending repentance; they did accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior; and they did continue in the faith, even in the face of persecution. The idea that they were a race of genetic freaks incapable of repentance flatly contradicts the Word of God!The same kind of absurdity is found in the seedliners' interpretation of John 8:44, where Jesus said to a group of Jews, "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do." These are said to be the "genetically programmed" progeny of the Devil who could not help but imitate their father.But notice verses 31-32: "Then said Jesus to those Jews [the same group] which believed on Him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."Obviously, if repentance and conversion had been completely impossible for these people, Jesus would not have spoken these words to them. It is quite possible that some of them later became members of the New Testament church. This seems to be suggested in Jesus' statement, "And ye shall know the truth...." Perhaps some of them were converted on the Day of Pentecost, when the Holy Spirit was given.Counterfeit JewsIf you have carefully read the above material, having checked each scriptural reference along the way, you should be able to see clearly that the Jews of Jesus' day-including the scribes and Pharisees-were real Jews. They were for the most part descendants of the southern kingdom, the House of Judah.But we are told of a group of counterfeit Jews, who lived in Asia Minor during the latter part of the first century. We read of them in Revelation 2:9:To the church in Smyrna, Christ said, "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan." (see also Revelation 3:9.)Who were these people? Were they Canaanites in disguise? Are they still with us today?It is not possible to identify these people precisely; we are not given enough information about them. However, we do know that Satan the Devil was behind their evil deeds (verse 9), that it was a time of intense persecution upon the church (verses 9-10), and that Satan was the source behind the persecution of the saints at Smyrna.We also know, through history, that Smyrna was a wealthy city; yet, the church there was impoverished (verse 9). This poverty may have been the result of sanctions against the Christians in the city-perhaps because of their refusal to engage in the highly esteemed worship of the emperor.It is likely that hostile Jews acted as "watchdogs" for the officials, and were thus responsible for bringing much persecution upon the church.Thus, these "watchdog" Jews "say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan." This should be understood in the light of Romans 2:28-29: "For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God."The hostile Jews of Smyrna were only Jews according to the flesh, but were not true Jews-not Jews inwardly-for their adversarial behavior was completely contrary to the standard of conduct God had given to the descendants of Abraham.Now, consider this: A Christian is a "spiritual Israelite" (or "spiritual Jew"), regardless his lineage (see Galatians 3:7, 29). But if one who professes Christianity preaches a doctrine of hatred, then he is teaching a FALSE and DANGEROUS doctrine-a doctrine completely contrary to the great Law revealed through Moses and magnified by Jesus Christ-and is therefore not a true Israelite. In effect, he says he is a Jew, but is NOT! (Note: Though all Israelites are not Jews-i.e., not descendants of the House of Judah-the terms "Israel" and "Jews" are often used interchangeably in the New Testament.)Which group, then, best fits the description of those who "say they are Jews, but are not": the many thousands of Jews who are pleased to live side-by-side with people of ethnic and racial origins different from their own? Or the fanatics who call themselves "Christian Israelites," yet preach a doctrine of virulent hatred and a "gospel" of salvation by race?The preacher who said that it's time Christians engage in "fruit inspection" to find out "who's who, and who's Jew" should take a long, hard look at his own produce-he might find that he's been cursing the wrong tree!Exploding Seedline MythsLiterature and taped messages produced by "seed of Satan" preachers are usually filled with ridiculous, monstrously false statements and interpretations of Scripture. Myths are used to support myths!In Numbers "1" through "7" below, you will find statements (in quotations) that are either directly quoted from seedline material, or are representative of the kinds of statements commonly made by advocates of the doctrine.(1) "He [Satan] did not have the power of Creation but he did have the power of Pro-Creation" (The Two Seeds of Genesis 3:15, p. 40).If the Devil had no power to create, then how did he procreate? In order to do so, he had to transform himself into a physical being with functional reproductive organs. Since spirit beings do not have such organs, Satan, in becoming a physical creature, had to CREATE them (i.e., make them; bring them into existence). He had to create living sperm cells, or he would not have been able to procreate. If he could do all that, surely he could create a whole man, or even a multitude of men, all made in his own image! (Does this sound like an idea for a brand new doctrine?)The truth of the matter is that there is not the slightest indication in Scripture that the Devil ever had the power to create or to procreate! So why not reject the idea as the ridiculous nonsense that it is?(2) "God's law of `kind after his kind' was broken when Cain was begotten."God put within each of the creatures He created the capability to reproduce "after its kind" (see Genesis 1). But this "kind after his kind" law is not a law that can be broken! In reproduction, frogs require frogs, cats require cats-but frogs CANNOT crossbreed with cats! Sperm cells from one will not fertilize egg cells from the other.Statements such as the one above (number "2") exemplify the absurdity of seedline "theology."(3) "Today the entire world wanders after this counterfeit spurious seedline and worships them as the CHOSEN PEOPLE OF GOD when in truth they are the anti-Christ Canaanite Jews descended from Satan" (The Two Seeds of Genesis 3:15, p. 7).The world worships the Jews? Is that why the Jews have been driven from one country to another? Is that why they have been hated, persecuted? Is that why hate-mongers have tried to exterminate them?Seedline preachers claim, on the one hand, that the fact that the Jews have suffered so much rejection is proof that they are Cain's descendants, for Cain was to be a "fugitive and a vagabond" (Genesis 4:12) in the earth. Yet, on the other hand, some of the same people make statements like the one above, claiming that the world worships the Jews. What a contradiction!(4) Salvation was never promised to any race other than the holy seed descended from Adam."The above argument is right about one thing: Salvation was never promised to any race but Adam's. Of course, all families and races came from Adam-yes, including the Jews! Moreover, if salvation were for only one of the races of man, John 3:16 would be, to say the least, a gross exaggeration. The passage reads, "For God so loved the WORLD, that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life."(5) "In I John 3:12, the apostle John said plainly that 'Cain ... was of that wicked one.' Try to spiritualize that one away!"Let's not "spiritualize" the verse away; rather, let's try to understand what it means. If we say it means that Satan was the father (literally) of Cain, then we are reading into the passage an idea that is not there. In context, John is speaking of the "children of God" and the "children of the Devil" (verse 10). Did he mean "spiritual children" in one case and "fleshly children" in the other. Obviously not; the expression "of that wicked one" is synonymous with "of the world" (I John 4:6), just as "of God" (4:4, 6) is synonymous with "of the truth" (I John 3:19). It is abundantly clear that none of these expressions have anything to do with genetics!(6) "The Book of Enoch was accepted as authoritative by the Church Fathers. This book tells of how the angels took wives of the daughters of men and engendered offspring."The First Book of Enoch, or Ethiopic Book of Enoch, is a JEWISH pseudepigraphal work which, according to The New Encyclopaedia Britannica, "...is a compilation of several separate works, most of which are apocalyptic," and "...may have originated with or been influenced by the Essene community of Jews at Qumran. No fragments of the longest portion of the work (chapters 37-71), however, were found among the Qumran writings. This has led scholars to theorize that this section was perhaps written in the 2nd century AD by a Jewish Christian who wished to imbue his own eschatological speculations with the authority of Enoch, and added his work to four older apocryphal Enoch writings" (Volume 4, p. 506).The visible church of the second century-or a portion of it-may have accepted the work as authoritative, but it was not added to the Canon of Scripture. Several of the theological views of its author, whose true identity is unknown, do not agree with the teachings of Christ and His apostles-so there are no good reasons to accept the document as canonical text, and plenty of good reasons not to accept it.It is interesting that those who point the finger of condemnation at the Jews are willing to accept an ancient JEWISH document containing JEWISH fables-in spite of Paul's admonition to avoid "giving heed to Jewish fables" (Titus 1:1014)!Doubtless, had "Enoch" not included the fable about unions between angels and women, seedline proponents would not accept the work as authoritative.(7) "There is an inborn enmity between Jews and true Christians."No, the enmity that exists between some Jews and some "Christians" is not inborn-it was learned! Fortunately, the enmity can be removed; but unfortunately, few people, once infected, ever recover from this malignant disease. We do not expect this brochure to cause the "seed of Satan" preachers to stop spreading their hate-mongering doctrine-but perhaps we can prevent them from transforming a few unwitting little ones into "twofold more the children of Gehenna" than themselves!Beware of False Teachers!The Bible is replete with warnings against false teachers who come proclaiming a doctrine or way of life contrary to the teachings of Christ and His apostles. Some come teaching an antinomian doctrine, claiming the Ten Commandments have been done away. Some come proclaiming a Christ who never claimed divinity, or who pre-existed as an archangel. Some come proclaiming a "Christianity" sprinkled with pagan myths.And some come preaching MUCH TRUTH! These, no doubt, are the most dangerous to the Church of God-for the truth they hold is their doorway into the sheepfold!Believe it or not, some "two seeds" and "Israel identity" groups observe the seventh-day Sabbath, the annual feasts and holy days; reject pagan holidays; believe in the laws of clean and unclean meats; believe that the Anglo-Saxon, Celtic, and Kindred peoples of the United States and many Western European nations are the descendants of the "lost ten tribes" of Israel.Yet, along with all this truth, they preach a doctrine of hatred, and make God out to be a racist!The Church of God, (The British-Israel Church of God as well) REJECTS the "seed of Satan" doctrine and all the abominable nonsense that goes with it! We believe-on the AUTHORITY of the infallible WORD OF GOD-that the true church is made up of people from all races! We welcome into our fellowship people from a great diversity of racial, ethnic, and cultural backgrounds; and will not tolerate the circulation of false doctrines such as the one described in this brochure within our congregations.We do not mean to imply that all seedline preachers deliberately incite hatred; nor do we think that everyone who holds the "seed of Satan" concept is a White supremist. In fact, there are a few Black racists who claim that all light-skinned people are the genetic progeny of the Devil. And, no doubt, there are some Jewish racists who attach similar labels to people not of their own kind.Regardless their racial or ethnic heritage, the time will come when all hate-mongering racists will be cast into the same "pot"-and in that place they'll all look alike!How to Avoid Being DeceivedAfter seeing just how senseless the "seed of Stan" doctrine is, and how easily it can be refuted, it may come as a surprise that some of the people involved in the spreading of this doctrine are otherwise intelligent people! No doubt, some of them are capable of scoring exceedingly high on an IQ test, and have earned impressive degrees from colleges and universities.Yet, as we have seen in this brochure, the doctrine is so blatantly contradictory to the simple truth of God's Word that anyone of average ability should be able to refute it!How, then, do intelligent people come to embrace such a teaching? The answer is vital to our understanding, and can help us avoid falling blindly into the trap of deception.The reason intelligent people sometimes fall for hatemongering doctrines such as the one described herein is this: Powerful feelings such as hatred, jealousy, and resentful bitterness completely overshadow intelligence! No matter how high your IQ; no matter the degree of your academic excellence, the powerful emotions involved in bigotry and prejudice can bring on spiritual blindness and LEAD YOU DOWN THE PATH OF DESTRUCTION!If, therefore, there is any bitterness, any feelings of hatred or resentment toward any other human being or any other ethnic or racial group, it's time to take control of those feelings; it's time to lay them aside!"Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: And be ye kind one to another, tender hearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you" (Ephesians 4:31-32). After seeing just how senseless the "seed of Satan" doctrine.
     
  6. n2thelight

    n2thelight Well-Known Member

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    RobinInteresting article,but to say that this doctine(serpent seed)teaches that all Jews are of satan could not be further from the truth,Revelation explains it well.Revelation 2:9 "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, [but thou art rich] and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan."Revelation 3:9 "Behold, I will make them of the syna-gogue of Sa'-tan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee."Those of the "synagogue of Satan" are the "Kenites", My point is,not all Jews are kenites,now lets go to the book of JohnJohn 8:43 "Why do ye not understand My speech? even because ye cannot hear My word."There are many people today that just cannot understand the simplicity that is taught in Christ, and that is because they are of the prince of this world, and their eyes are spiritually blinded. They are quick to accept the traditions of men that have been in their family and churches for many years, even when it goes against what God's Word teaches.Jesus is now going to identify exactly who these Kenites are.John 8:44 "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth because there is no truth in him, When he spaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it."Do you know who the devil is? The devil is Satan, and he goes by many names. In Revelation 12:9; "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world;" In the Garden of Eden Satan was called the "old serpent, and the tree of good and evil"Jesus is telling these Kenites that there father is the devil, who is also called Satan, the dragon, or any of his other names that Satan has because of the roles he has played. Jesus is telling these Kenites that the lust, and murder in your heart is inborn from your father Satan, and you are driven in your spirit to do murder because Satan is your father.This is why Jesus could not be speaking to the brethren of the house of Judah, for their lineage is not of Satan, this is what the plan of God is all about. Keeping the pure lineage that the coming Messiah would be born from. That is why Noah was saved from the flood, as we are told in Genesis 6:9 "THESE ARE THE GENERATIONS OF NOAH; Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations,..." In the Hebrew text the word for "perfect" is "tamim", which means "without blemish, as to breed or pedigree". Noah's blood line was pure.Jesus is making it simple, now who was the murderer from the beginning? Most small children could answer that, it was Cain. Genesis 4:8; "And Cain talked with Abel his brother: and it came to pass, when they were in the field, that Cain rose up against Abel his brother, And slew him." Cain was a murderer from, or in the beginning.Jesus is telling it just as it is, The "Kenites" are the children [offspring by lineage] of the devil, through Cain. Jesus identified both Satan, and Cain as being their father. So why is it any secret that they would try to murder Christ, they are just like their fathers Cain and Satan.I Chronicles 2:55; "And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez [Jerusalem]; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.The lineage of Rechab is not of Israel, and those men standing before Jesus here are the offspring of the Rechab not Jacob or Judah. The duties of the scribes and the priests had been taken over in Babylon, some five centuries prior to Christ birth.In Strong's Hebrew dictionary, numbered to the King James Bible; # 7014, and the word is "Kenite": "Qayan, Kah'-yin; The name of the first child, of an oriental tribe:-Cain, Kenite." Now lets take the name "Kenites" [the family], # 7017, "Qeyniy, kay-nee', a Kenite or member of the tribe of Kajin:-Kenite."The books of Ezra and Nehemiah detail how the duties of the Levitical priests had been taken over by these Kenites [Nethinims-foreigners] from top to bottom, and their plot existed then to kill Nemehiah. It was not sucessful, for Nemehiah finally figured out who was setting the trap for Him.When Jesus was warning our Generation of what to look out for in the end times, He compelled us to "learn the parable of the fig tree", so we would not be deceived in the later days [Matthew 24:32]. Friend, the roots of the parable are in the Garden of Eden, and they deal with the sexual affair between Eve and Satan, and out of it came a son named Cain. Cain's offspring have tried to attach themselves to the lineage of Adam, and Abraham all through the years. When you understand who these people of Hamath are, and that they are not of Abraham, Jacob, Judah or any part of Israel, then you are starting to understand the "parable of the fig tree".Matthew 13 gives several parables relating to the parable of the fig tree, or [tares] and then from verses 36 to 43 Jesus explains the parables to His disciples. This is the key to understanding much of the Scriptures.Jesus disciples came to him in private and asked Jesus to explain the parables to them, for they just didn't understand them. Lets start here with Matthew 13:35; "That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, saying, "I will open my mouth in parable; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world." These parables reveal things that are secrets that have been kept from the very foundation of the world. The explaining of the parables starts in verse 36. It is explaining the meaning of each part of His parables, that will apply to all of the parables here.Matthew 13:36: "Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto Him, saying, "Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field."Jesus declared that to us; remember that truth is what sets you free.Matthew 13:37; "He answered and said unto them, "He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man:"This is not a parable, but Jesus is explaining one to the disciples. The Holy Spirit of God breathed the soul or life into these bodies created by God.Matthew 13:38; "The field is the world; and the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;"Jesus is talking about this world age of the flesh. Don't spiritualize this away. We are talking about people here, the children of God's kingdom, and the children of the wicked one [Satan]. The tares are the Kenites, the children of the wicked one.Matthew 13:39; "The enemy that soweth them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels."When you check out what the devil soweth in Strong's Greek dictionary, it is "sperma"; the devil who is Satan deposited male sperma into mother Eve. If this is hard to take and understand that an angel, which Satan is, had sperm; go back in Genesis 6 where many angels violated God's orders and these angels [sons of God] "came to earth to take the daughters of men to be their wives." From those marriages came some form of life that the translators called "children" [Nephilim]. How do you think that those women became pregnant if the sperm was not there?The first two sons of Eve, Cain and Abel were twins, but not of the same father. Genesis 4:2 "And she again bare his brother Abel,..." "Again" in the Hebrew text is "yacaph", in the Strong's Hebrew Dictionary, # 3254; "(to continue to do a thing)". If Eve just gave birth to Cain, and she continues on giving birth, then she is having twins. Jesus told it rightly in John 8:44 where the lust and murder in the hearts of these Kenites came from.Matthew 13:40 "As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world."Matthew 13:41 "The son of man shall send forth His angels, and they shall gather out of His kingdom all things the offend, and them which do iniquity:"Matthew 13:42 "And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."Matthew 13:43 "Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear."Friend, this chapter of John is not the only place in God's Word that Christ taught us of these Kenites, and made it this simple. So as we discussed above, Cain was the offspring of Satan, not Adam, and Cain's offspring are called "Kenites", and we are warned to be aware of them throughout the word of God.Are we to destroy them? Definitely not, but they are part of all the Parables, especially dealing with the end times. Truth will set you free, and we are to become wiser then the serpent, and his people. Then you will not have the problems that you would otherwise have, because you have power over them. The spiritual battle is real, and we have the victory. The Kenites are part of God's overall plan, leave them alone.
     
  7. Christina

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    Robin Your article is exactly the kind of doctrine that misleads and lies no one ever said anything about all Jews as N2 has explained We in fact said Kennites who claim to be Jews and are not. (not Jews) I think your article was written by Kennites sure seems they took alot of space to get to the end before they try to show the Bible wrongYou can find an article for or against anything doesnt make it true. If you want to see false teachers look at what they say They are calling the Bible a lie saying that Nephilium never existed that angles never mated with men yet this is exactly what scripture says they are saying the Bible lies and the Book of Enoch lies even though it was accepted reading in the Apocrypha. I have read many Bible appendix that tell us all about Nephilum and there were Giants in the land in those days.Thats what the bible says. I sould have rejected your article for its blaspheme alone had I not found it such an excellent example of how Men refuse to believe Gods word How false teachers and preachers are the first to call others liars as they themselves call God a liar. This is a great example of how false teachers truly work they claim something is a lie and then go about calling all kinds of things in scripture lies. This is a blasphemes article if anyone really reads it. If this is what you base your beliefs on Robin you are truly mislead. It is anti Biblical seems strange they have to discredit the Words of God to try to prove Satan did not father Cain a case of "Me thinks they Protest to Much" My question is what are they trying to hide that they have to discredit large portions of Gods Word to make their protest even sound rational. They have to disprove Angles Mated with men to make their case and the Bible clearly says this happened not once but twice. This alone shows what a lie this whole article is and they have No case.I guess you as the reader has to decide.Below is the appendix straight from the Bible are they/you going to call it a lie also??? Appendix 23. "THE SONS OF GOD" IN GEN. 6:2, 4.It is only by the Divine specific act of creation that any created being can be called "a son of God". For that which is "born of the flesh is flesh". God is spirit, and that which is "born of the Spirit is spirit" (John 3:6). Hence Adam is called a "son of God" in Luke 3:38. Those "in Christ" having "the new nature" which is by the direct creation of God (2Cor. 5:17. Eph. 2:10) can be, and are called "sons of God" (John 1:13. Rom. 8:14, 15. 1John 3:1). (*1) This is why angels are called "sons of God" in every other place where the expression is used in the Old Testament. Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7. Ps. 29:1; 89:6. Dan. 3:25 (no art.). (*2) We have no authority or right to take the expression in Gen. 6:2, 4 in any other sense. Moreover, in Gen. 6:2 the Sept. renders it "angels". Angels are called "spirits" (Ps. 104:4. Heb. 1:7, 14), for spirits are created by God. That there was a fall of the angels is certain from Jude 6. The nature of their fall is clearly stated in the same verse. They left their own oiketerion. This word occurs only in 2Cor. 5:2 and Jude 6, where it is used of the spiritual (or resurrection) body. The nature of their sin is stated to be "in like manner" to that of the subsequent sins of Sodom and Gomorrha, Jude 7. The time of their fall is given as having taken place "in the days of Noah" (1Pet. 3:20. 2Pet. 2:7), though there may have been a prior fall which caused the end of "the world that then was" (Gen. 1:1, 2. 2Pet. 3:6). For this sin they are "reserved unto judgment", 2Pet. 2:4, and are "in prison", 1Pet. 3:19. Their progeny, called Nephilim (translated "giants"), were monsters of iniquity; and, being superhuman in size and character, had to be destroyed (see Ap. 25). This was the one and only object of the Flood. Only Noah and his family had preserved their pedigree pure from Adam (Gen. 6:9, see note). All the rest had become "corrupt" (shachath) destroyed [as Adamites]. the only remedy was to destroy it (de facto), as it had become destroyed (de jure). (It is the same word in v. 17 as in vv. 11, 12.) See further under Ap. 25 on the Nephilim. This irruption of fallen angels was Satan's first attempt to prevent the coming of the Seed of the woman foretold in gen. 3:15. If this could be accomplished, God's Word would have failed, and his own doom would be averted. As soon as it was made known that the Seed of the woman was to come through ABRAHAM, there must have been another irruption, as recorded in Gen. 6:4, "and also after that" (i.e. after the days of Noah, more than 500 years after the first irruption). The aim of the enemy was to occupy Canaan in advance of Abraham, and so to contest its occupation by his seed. For, when Abraham entered Canaan, we read (Gen. 12:6) "the Canaanite was then (i.e. already) in the land." In the same chapter (Gen. 12:10-20) we see Satan's next attempt to interfere with Abraham's seed, and frustrate the purpose of God that it should be in "Isaac". This attempt was repeated in 20:1-18. This great conflict may be seen throughout the Bible, and it forms a great and important subject of Biblical study. In each case the human instrument had his own personal interest to serve, while Satan had his own great object in view. Hence God had, in each case, to interfere and avert the evil and the danger, of which his servants and people were wholly ignorant. The following assaults of the great Enemy stand out prominently :-- The destruction of the chosen family by famine, Gen. 50:20. The destruction of the male line in Israel, Ex. 1:10, 15, &c. Cp. Ex. 2:5. Heb. 11:23. The destruction of the whole nation in Pharaoh's pursuit, Ex. 14. After David's line was singled out (2Sam. 7), that was the next selected for assault. Satan's first assault was in the union of Jehoram and Athaliah by Jehoshaphat, notwithstanding 2Chron. 17:1. Jehoram killed off all his brothers (2Chron. 21:4). The Arabians slew all his children, except Ahaziah (2Chron. 21:17; 22:1). When Ahaziah died, Athaliah killed "all the seed royal" (2Chron. 22:10). the babe Joash alone was rescued; and, for six years, the faithfulness of Jehovah's word was at stake (2Chron. 23:3). Hezekiah was childless, when a double assault was made by the King of Assyria and the King of Terrors (Isa. 36:1; 38:1). God's faithfulness was appealed to and relied on (Ps. 136). In Captivity, Haman was used to attempt the destruction of the whole nation (Est. 3:6, 12, 13. Cp. 6:1). Joseph's fear was worked on (Matt. 1:18-20). Notwithstanding the fact that he was "a just man", and kept the Law, he did not wish to have Mary stoned to death (Deut. 24:1); hence Joseph determined to divorce her. But God intervened : "Fear not". Herod sought the young Child's life (Matt. 2). At the Temptation, "Cast Thyself down" was Satan's temptation. At Nazareth, again (Luke 4), there was another attempt to cast Him down and destroy Him. The two storms on the Lake were other attempts. At length the cross was reached, and the sepulcher closed; the watch set; and the stone sealed. But "God raised Him from the dead." And now, like another Joash, He is seated and expecting (Heb. 10:12, 13), hidden in the house of God on high; and the members of "the one body" are hidden there "in Him" (Col. 3:1-3), like another Jehoshaba; and going forth to witness of His coming, like another Jehoiada (2Chron. 23:3). The irruption of "the fallen angels" ("sons of God") was the first attempt; and was directed against the whole human race. When Abraham was called, then he and his seed were attacked. When David was enthroned, then the royal line were attacked. And when "the Seed of the woman" Himself came, then the storm burst upon Him. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------(*1) The word "offspring" in Acts 17:28 is quite different. It is genos, which means merely kin or kind, our genus as being originated by God. (*2) In Hos. 1:10, it is not beni-ha-Elohim, as here, but beni-el-chai. Appendix List
     
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    RobinQuote from you article
    (5) "In I John 3:12, the apostle John said plainly that 'Cain ... was of that wicked one.' Try to spiritualize that one away!"
    It's exactly right,Cain is of that wicked one,you prove the point in your own article with this verse aloneSo who is the wicked one,is it not satan,but of course it is.
     
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    Another Bible Appendix25. THE NEPHILIM, OR "GIANTS"Of GEN. 6, &c. The progeny of the fallen angels with the daughters of Adam (see notes on Gen. 6, and Ap. 23) are called in Gen. 6, Ne-phil-im, which means fallen ones (from naphal, to fall). What these beings were can be gathered only from Scripture. They were evidently great in size, as well as great in wickedness. They were superhuman, abnormal beings; and their destruction was necessary for the preservation of the human race, and for the faithfulness of Jehovah's Word (Gen. 3:15). This was why the Flood was brought "upon the world of the ungodly" (2Pet. 2:5) as prophesied by Enoch (Jude 14). But we read of the Nephilim again in Num. 13:33 : "there we saw the Nephilim, the sons of Anak, which come of the Nephilim". How, it may be asked, could this be, if they were all destroyed in the Flood? The answer is contained in Gen. 6:4, where we read : "There were Nephilim in the earth in those days (i.e. in the days of Noah); and also AFTER THAT, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became [the] mighty men (Heb. gibbor, the heroes) which were of old, men of renown" (lit. men of the name, i.e. who got a name and were renowned for their ungodliness). So that "after that", i.e. after the Flood, there was a second irruption of these fallen angels, evidently smaller in number and more limited in area, for they were for the most part confined to Canaan, and were in fact known as "the nations of Canaan". It was for the destruction of these, that the sword of Israel was necessary, as the Flood had been before. As to the date of this second irruption, it was evidently soon after it became known that the seed was to come through Abraham; for, when he came out from Haran (Gen. 12:6) and entered Canaan, the significant fact is stated : "The Canaanite was then (i.e. already) in the land." And in Gen. 14:5 they were already known as "Raphain" and Emim", and had established themselves at Asteroth Karnaim and Shaven Kiriathaim. In ch. 15:18-21 they are enumerated and named among Canaanite Peoples : "Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites, and the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims, and the Amorites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites" (Gen. 15:19-21; cp. Ex. 3:8, 17; 23:23. Deut. 7; 20:17. Josh. 12:8). These were to be cut off, and driven out, and utterly destroyed (Deut. 20:17. Josh. 3:10). But Israel failed in this (Josh. 13:13; 15:63; 16:10; 17:18. Judg. 1:19, 20, 28, 29, 30-36; 2:1-5; 3:1-7); and we known not how many got away to other countries to escape the general destruction. If this were recognized it would go far to solve many problems connected with Anthropology. As to their other names, they were called Anakim, from on Anak which came of the Nephilim (Num. 13:23), and Rephaim, from Rapha, another notable one among them. From Deut. 2:10, they were known by some as Emim, and Horim, and Zamzummim (v. 20, 21) and Avim, &c. As Rephaim they were well known, and are often mentioned : but, unfortunately, instead of this, their proper name, being preserved, it is variously translated as "dead", "deceased", or "giants". These Rephaim are to have no resurrection. This fact is stated in Isa. 26:14 (where the proper name is rendered "deceased," and v. 19, where it is rendered "the dead"). It is rendered "dead" seven times (Job 26:5. Ps. 88:10. Prov. 2:18; 9:18; 21:16. Isa. 14:8; 26:19). It is rendered "deceased" in Isa. 26:14. It is retained as a proper name "Rephaim" ten times (two being in the margin). Gen. 14:5; 15:20. Josh. 12:15 (marg.). 2Sam. 5:18, 22; 23:13.& b31 nbsp; 1Chron. 11:15; 14:9; 20:4 (marg.). Isa. 17:5. In all other places it is rendered "giants", Gen. 6:4; Num. 23:33, where it is Nephilim; and Job 16:14, where it is gibbor (Ap. 14. iv). By reading all these passages the Bible student may know all that can be known about these beings. It is certain that the second irruption took place before Gen. 14, for there the Rephaim were mixed up with the five nations or peoples, which included Sodom and Gomorrha, and were defeated by the four kings under Chedorlaomer. Their principal locality was evidently "Ashtaroth Karnaim"; while the Emim were in the plain of Kiriathaim (Gen. 14:5). Anak was a noted descendant of the Nephilim; and Rapha was another, giving their names respectively to different clans. Anak's father was Arba, the original builder of Hebron (Gen. 35:27. Josh. 15:13; 21:11); and this Palestine branch of the Anakim was not called Arbahim after him, but Anakim after Anak. They were great, mighty, and tall (Deut. 2:10, 11, 21, 22, 23; 9:2), evidently inspiring the ten spies with great fear (Num. 13:33). Og king of Bashan is described in Deut. 3:11. Their strength is seen in "the giant cities of Bashan" to-day; and we know not how far they may have been utilized by Egypt in the construction of buildings, which is still an unsolved problem. Arba was rebuilt by the Khabiri or confederates seven years before Zoan was built by the Egyptian Pharoahs of the nineteenth dynasty. See note on Num. 13:22. If these Nephilim, and their branch of Rephaim, were associated with Egypt, we have an explanation of the problem which has for ages perplexed all engineers, as to how those huge stones and monuments were brought together. Why not in Egypt as well as in "the giant cities of Bashan" which exist, as such, to this day? Moreover, we have in these mighty men, the "men of renown," the explanation of the origin of the Greek mythology. That mythology was no mere invention of the human brain, but it grew out of the traditions, and memories, and legends of the doings of that mighty race of beings; and was gradually evolved out of the "heroes" of Gen. 6:4. The fact that they were supernatural in their origin formed an easy step to their being regarded as the demi-gods of the Greeks. Thus the Babylonian "Creation Tablets", the Egyptian "Book of the dead", the Greek mythology, and heathen Cosmogonies, which by some are set on an equality with Scripture, or by others adduced in support of it, are all the corruption and perversion of primitive truths, distorted in proportion as their origin was forgotten, and their memories faded away.
     
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    Dear RobinD69,That was a long article you put on, however I only got one thing to say. That article is worth puking for numerous reasons. That's how bad it is.Lovest much, JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
     
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    I must ask which is more against Gods word believing the possiability that Cain was the Son of Satan and has always worked to destroy Christ and Gods Word.Or believing Robins Article that says men are right Eve ate an apple and that the son of Gods beloved Adam fathered Cain the first murder ?That there is No such thing as Noah being pure and no such thing as Fallen Angels mating with daughters of men even though it happened twice in scripture and why are we told this ? Because it will happen again at the End so God has fore told us all things. So we will not be fooledyet Robin article says it never happened so how could it happen again. This is exactly what Satan wants us to believe so when it happens again we are not prepared, Ignore Gods words ignore the Bible Now again I ask which is more against God???
     
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    I must ask which is more against Gods word believing the possiability that Cain was the Son of Satan and has always worked to destroy Christ and Gods Word.Or believing Robins Article that says men are right Eve ate an apple and that the son of Gods beloved Adam was Cain the first murder? That there is No such thing as Noah being pure and no such thing as Fallen Angels mating with daughters of men even though it happened twice in scripture and why are we told this ? Because it will happen again at the End so God has fore told us all things. So we will not be fooledyet Robin article says it never happened so how could it happen again. This is exactly what Satan wants us to believe so when it happens again we are not prepared, Ignore Gods words ignore the Bible Now again I ask which is more against God???
    Eating the apple.Much love, JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
     
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    let me make something very clear here about your post Robin I wrote this in another thread but it needs to be said here alsoLets get something straight right off the bat THE JEWS ARE GODS CHOOSEN PEOPLE that has never changed sense the beginning God has merly blinded them temporarily to graft in the gentiles to his plan of salvation. The first half of the bible tells us the story of God and the Jews and the second half tells us the story of God and the Gentiles we are two branches of the same tree a tree can not change its roots. We better understand our christian roots are in Judaism.God says he will graft these two branches together and we will be one under ChristGod will soon end this so called time of the Gentiles and again turn his attention to the Jews and bring them back to him so that he can graft us together, So anyone that thinks the Jews have been forgotten and replaced by gentiles is sorely mistaken.So your article of saying all jews is a lie I am simply saying there is a branch of kennitesdescented from Cain that have always tried to destroy Christ and the word and this is written.
     
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    Let's see. Where are we. Okay. I judge doctrine based on 2 things. First, what did God say-ie test it by the scripture. Second, I test doctrine by it's fruit. Are we in agreement that Adam is the father of Cain? Because Genesis 4:1 is clear about that.Moving forward, I do believe fallen angels & human women had children (genesis 6:1-5). How exactly, it doesn't say. And I do agree, that it was satan's plan to destroy a potential bloodline for the messiah.But then we move to the flood. What I don't agree with, is that there are any part-satan/part human folks after the flood. I think that was a significant reason God sent the flood in the first place. Genesis 10:32 says all the nations of the earth descended from Noah's offspring. Both the nations that followed God & those that didn't. Scripture does refer to Goliath as a giant. But I don't think it means a part-satan/part human being.Overall, this doctrine troubles me because it says some folks are less pure than others. Or less worthy than others. As if our sin nature comes from satan poluting part of (current) humanity. Vs our sin natures being a result of Adam/Eve's fall. It implies that Joe is more worth than Jim (because Jim has this supposed Kennite bloodline.)News flash, NONE OF US ARE WORTHY. No one, nada, zip. Only Jesus is worthy. The rest of us flunk the purity test in God's eyes. Paul even had to deal with this in the Corinthian church. There were those who boasted they were better than their brothers because of ancestry. In 2Cor 11, he explains why we can only boast of what God has done for us. Not on any other basis, including race/ancestry. Likewise, no one is beyond the possible redeeming power of God. 2Peter 3:9 says "not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." The good news of salvation, is that it is open to anyone. Look at the redeemed in Rev 7:99After this I looked and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and in front of the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. 10And they cried out in a loud voice: "Salvation belongs to our God, who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb."How much cleared could it be the salvation is open to all humanity. Since God doesn't differentiate on race/ancestry, neither should we.
     
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    Are we in agreement that Adam is the father of Cain? Because Genesis 4:1 is clear about that.
    No, we are not. I think saying that this verse is 100% clear is a dangerous statement to make because I wouldn't say the same thing about my perspective. On either side of the coin, Eve is making this statement. It's a matter of personal interpretation and beliefs to make the judgment call one way or the other.
    Overall, this doctrine troubles me because it says some folks are less pure than others. Or less worthy than others. As if our sin nature comes from satan poluting part of (current) humanity. Vs our sin natures being a result of Adam/Eve's fall. It implies that Joe is more worth than Jim (because Jim has this supposed Kennite bloodline.)
    Not so much. I think people try to read into this the idea that there is a race out there that is beyond salvation. That's just not the case. Anyone can be saved with the exception of Satan, condemned already in Ezekiel 28.My sin, either way, is not Adam nor Eve's fault. It's my sin, it's my weak mind, and my flesh. Thank God and his Son that I am forgiven for it.The Kenites don't imply worth. It's about the fact that there is a line out there actively working against God in more ways than one. Members of set line can attain forgiveness just as we all can.
    Paul even had to deal with this in the Corinthian church. There were those who boasted they were better than their brothers because of ancestry. In 2Cor 11, he explains why we can only boast of what God has done for us. Not on any other basis, including race/ancestry.
    Right, but Paul also spoke of Jews and Gentiles. It doesn't mean that we're somehow supposed to forget race altogether. In fact, the Bible is very specific in lineage on several occasions, the most obvious being the line of Jesus. It's a case of the baby going out with the bathwater to disregard everything.
    How much cleared could it be the salvation is open to all humanity. Since God doesn't differentiate on race/ancestry, neither should we.
    Again, a point is being argued here that has nothing to do with what we're saying. Kenites are "unsavable." No one here has ever made that statement. It's an assumption that is always made when the Kenite discussion comes up.
     
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    This is not what was said you dont have to believe Cain was Satans son to understand the rest of scripture As I said Gen 4:1 does not prove paternity but reguardless lets move on from there. The sons of God Satan and the fallen angels mated with daughters of men this we know Genesis 6:9 "THESE ARE THE GENERATIONS OF NOAH; Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations,..." In the Hebrew text the word for "perfect" is "tamim", which means "without blemish, as to breed or pedigree". Noah's blood line was pure.It was the bloodline of Christ Satan was trying to destroy and Noahs family was the only Adamic family left not defiled by this mating of flesh and spirit.Not the only people left undifiled the only ADAMIC people the others on the ark were from the sixth day creation of all the races and men they were created equal they just were not of the line Christ would come through
     
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    Now I know your next question will be about a sixth day creation It is generally thought that the Bible teaches that Adam was the first human being, but in that case it would seriously contradict itself in the fourth chapter of Genesis, And there are no contradictions in Gods wordIn that chapter Cain says:"My punishment is more than I can bear...Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth... and it shall come to pass, that every one that findeth me shall slay me." Who was he talking about who was going to kill him Since, according to the Bible, Cain and his parents were the only Adamites in existence at that time, he must be understood to refer to pre-Adamites - unknown people among whom he was being driven forth; and we are told that a mark was put upon him as a protection against those people. Second he married from the land of Nod who did he marry if no others existed???As Cain is afterwards said to have built a city and called it after his eldest son, Who did he build a city for
     
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    Heres is what the Bible Appenex says about this:Only Noah and his family had preserved their pedigree pure from Adam (Gen. 6:9, see note). All the rest had become "corrupt" (shachath) destroyed [as Adamites]. the only remedy was to destroy it (de facto), as it had become destroyed (de jure). (It is the same word in v. 17 as in vv. 11, 12.) See further under Ap. 25 on the Nephilim. This irruption of fallen angels was Satan's first attempt to prevent the coming of the Seed of the woman foretold in gen. 3:15. If this could be accomplished, God's Word would have failed, and his own doom would be averted. As soon as it was made known that the Seed of the woman was to come through ABRAHAM, there must have been another irruption, as recorded in Gen. 6:4, "and also after that" (i.e. after the days of Noah, more than 500 years after the first irruption). The aim of the enemy was to occupy Canaan in advance of Abraham, and so to contest its occupation by his seed. For, when Abraham entered Canaan, we read (Gen. 12:6) "the Canaanite was then (i.e. already) in the land." In the same chapter (Gen. 12:10-20) we see Satan's next attempt to interfere with Abraham's seed, and frustrate the purpose of God that it should be in "Isaac". This attempt was repeated in 20:1-18. This great conflict may be seen throughout the Bible, and it forms a great and important subject of Biblical study. In each case the human instrument had his own personal interest to serve, while Satan had his own great object in view. Hence God had, in each case, to interfere and avert the evil and the danger, of which his servants and people were wholly ignorant. The following assaults of the great Enemy stand out prominently :--
     
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    Actually, that wasn't my next question. But I do have a few.First, a caution, If God's word says something-I believe it. Scripture is the ultimate authority & the inspired word of God. If Gen 4:1 is a lie, then whatelse are you selectively elinimating from scripture. There is great danger in tampering with the validity of God's word.Now the questions.1)Are the part satan/part human folks all dead (per Genesis 6)?2)Except for Jesus' bloodline, does ancestry have bearing on our individual standing with God?3) If the answer to #1 is yes & #2 no, then why care about labeling anyone a Kennite? Ie how does this advance the truth of God?
     
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    First, a caution, If God's word says something-I believe it. Scripture is the ultimate authority & the inspired word of God. If Gen 4:1 is a lie, then whatelse are you selectively elinimating from scripture. There is great danger in tampering with the validity of God's word.
    It's not selectively limiting a thing, so please don't run on mislabeling. I'm merely pointing out that Eve stated this and not God, which doesn't necessarily make it true. My point merely is that to cite this as undeniable proof from God that Cain was actually Adam's is absurd. It ignores that there are statements by man in the Bible that are not true.Do you believe that Cain ancestor's are punished worse?Genesis 4:24
    If Cain shall be avenged sevenfold, truly Lamech seventy and sevenfold.
    This is no isolated event. There is an entire book on the words of man that are nothing but lies. (That'd be the book of Job, as you well know.) Job's friends spent chapters upon chapters telling him lies and I've even seen these very verses misquoted! I'm not saying you do, but I am saying that you have to look at who is speaking and saying what.
    f the answer to #1 is yes & #2 no, then why care about labeling anyone a Kennite? Ie how does this advance the truth of God?
    Because of what they pretend to be:Revelation 3:9
    Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
     
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