Kenosis False Teaching

[BarneyFife]

Same here I take Scripture over everything but I do not discard the truths in them.

You asked; I answered.

 

[ChristisGod]

Back to playing games?

Don't forget . . .

Revelation 2:17
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.

Except instead of saying "no man", it's literally no one, If you read like you propose, Not Even Jesus knows the name He gives to the overcomer.

You can't just pluck a verse out, twist into something it's not in an attempt to ridicule something you can't answer. That's no good.

When all things are put under Jesus' feet, the apostle writes, it is evident that He Who subjected everything to Jesus is Himself excepted. And it is evident to me that when Jesus gives a new name that no one knows, He Himself is excepted.

And God in His fullness evidently knows the Name written in Jesus' thigh.

And just the same, Jesus emptied Himself, and when it came up, He revealed that He did not actually retain all knowledge.

Much love!

No games Rev 19:12- no one but Jesus knows the name.

You disagree with that scripture ?

Phil 2:7- made himself of no reputation.

next...........................

 

[BarneyFife]

Same here I take Scripture over everything but I do not discard the truths in them.

Editing is handy, isn't it?

 

[ChristisGod]

Editing is handy, isn't it?

its there for a reason correct ?

 

[justbyfaith]

Personally, I believe that creeds are useful; having been ironed out by debate over the meaning of doctrine in holy scripture.

But of course, if or when holy scripture denies what is written in the creeds, holy scripture is the final authority to me also.

 

[ChristisGod]

So becoming a man changed nothing?

Absolutely not concerning His Deity as Scripture states He was fully God, all the fulness of Deity dwells in Him as per Col 1:19; 2:9. And He is the EXACT representation of the Father Heb 1, equal with God Phil 2 and He who has seen Him has seen the Father.

hope this helps !!!

 

[marks]

So first we must come to common ground with the Godhead, the Trinity and the nature and Attributes of God.

That's the long way around. Better to accept the Scriptures as written.

I don't know why you continue to act as if we have different views of the Godhead, and the Trinity. I don't think we have a different view on that. Only that we disagree whether or not Jesus retained His omnipotence, and His omniscience, and His omnipresence while He was on earth in the days of His flesh.

And for all the Scriptures I've presented to show my view, you keep not responding, and instead steer back around as if I'm not trinitarian. I'm not debating that with you.

I say, Jesus emptied Himself of His power and knowledge, and you reply, No, Jesus is God. So there's real disconnect here I guess.

Much love!

 

[Ziggy]

Do you believe God can be in 2 places at the same time?

Jer 23:23 Am I a God at hand, saith the LORD, and not a God afar off?
Jer 23:24 Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the LORD. Do not I fill heaven and earth? saith the LORD.

NLT: Am I a God who is only close at hand?” says the LORD.
“No, I am far away at the same time.

hope this helps :)
HUGS

 

[ChristisGod]

That's the long way around. Better to accept the Scriptures as written.

I don't know why you continue to act as if we have different views of the Godhead, and the Trinity. I don't think we have a different view on that. Only that we disagree whether or not Jesus retained His omnipotence, and His omniscience, and His omnipresence while He was on earth in the days of His flesh.

And for all the Scriptures I've presented to show my view, you keep not responding, and instead steer back around as if I'm not trinitarian. I'm not debating that with you.

I say, Jesus emptied Himself of His power and knowledge, and you reply, No, Jesus is God. So there's real disconnect here I guess.

Much love!

Yes there is a disconnect which Is why I have asked you questions concerning the Trinity.

God is Immutable do you agree ?

 

[marks]

Creeds don't interest me in the slightest. I'll take a "Thus saith the LORD" over a creed any day.

Either a creed comes from Scripture, in which case, I'll just take the Scripture, or it doesn't, in which case, I'll take the Scripture.

I'd rather read the Bible 1000 times than to read a creed once.

And then I've seen plenty of times people start disputing over the meaning of the creed like they do over the Bible. So if we're going to go back and forth over something, let it be the Bible itself.

That's how I feel about it.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Yes there is a disconnect which Is why I have asked you questions concerning the Trinity.

God is Immutable do you agree ?

Yes, I agree that God is immutable.

And again, this addresses God's nature, and not His activity. Emptying Himself refers to His activity, not His nature. So this is a red herring.

Perhaps more simply put, there is what God is, and there is what God does.

You began by speaking of what God does, or doesn't do, that is, He makes Himself of no reputation, as opposed to emptying Himself. Either of those are activity, what He does, not Who and What God Is.

When I point to what God does, Emptying Himself, you make an argument for what God is.

Maybe a weak analogy is when the president undergoes surgery, say, and he signs a letter granting the office temporarily to the vice president. He is the president, but he's set aside the authority of the office for a specific purpose.

Much love!

 

[ChristisGod]

Yes, I agree that God is immutable.

And again, this addresses God's nature, and not His activity. Emptying Himself refers to His activity, not His nature. So this is a red herring.

Much love!

No it is not a red herring if Jesus was not omnipresent, omniscient or omnipotent for 33 years then He was not God. He was no longer Immutable for He had changed from Omni All to Omni nothing.

You are redefining the meaning of Immutable if you believe God does not change and then say Jesus no longer possessed Omni Attributes. That is a change in the Nature of God.

hope this helps !!!

 

[marks]

if Jesus was not omnipresent, omniscient or omnipotent for 33 years then He was not God.

This is an interesting opinion, but I don't see it as anything more that that.

Was Jesus present in both Jerusalem and Samaria at the same time? What does incarnate mean to you?

When Jesus was born . . . how much power did He have? He was a baby. Again, what does it mean to be incarnated?

Much love!

 

[ChristisGod]

This is an interesting opinion, but I don't see it as anything more that that.

Was Jesus present in both Jerusalem and Samaria at the same time? What does incarnate mean to you?

When Jesus was born . . . how much power did He have? He was a baby. Again, what does it mean to be incarnated?

Much love!

Jesus while a man walking this earth was simultaneously in heaven.

John 3:13
No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.

 

[Ziggy]

Look in the mirror.. remove the flesh.. do you see Christ?

Do you have his Mind? His Heart? His Will?
If these things are in you then you are his.
His Mind, His Heart, and His Will.

Mirror Mirror.
Only difference is we are flesh and he is spirit.
When we get rid of this flesh we will be just like him.
For we shall see him as he is.

God made man like himself.. with a brain *holy spirit" , with a heart "son" , and the ability with the mind and the heart to do His Will.
Our Will died when we are baptised. Our old nature dies when we die in baptism.
We rise as he rose.. in a whole new walk of life.

Gal 2:20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Question:
Did Christ have Christ in Him while he was on the earth?

Mat 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am?
Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven

Jesus's Father is Himself. He created his own body, his own sacrifice..
Mirror Mirror..

When you pray do you pray in the Father's name or do you pray in the Name of Jesus?

Hugs

 

[DNB]

That is reminiscent of the hatred that unbelievers have towards the faithful.

non-sequitur!

 

[marks]

Jesus while a man walking this earth was simultaneously in heaven.

John 3:13
No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.

Asked and answered.

Just as we are here in this world, yet still present in the celestial realm - seated together in the heavenlies - hid with Christ in God - So also, the Son of Man, Who is in heaven.

But was Jesus in Jerusalem and Samaria at the same time? Citing the passage that He is present on earth and in heaven does not show omnipresence, any more then our being on earth and in heaven means that we are omnipresent.

Much love!

 

[ChristisGod]

Asked and answered.

Just as we are here in this world, yet still present in the celestial realm - seated together in the heavenlies - hid with Christ in God - So also, the Son of Man, Who is in heaven.

But was Jesus in Jerusalem and Samaria at the same time? Citing the passage that He is present on earth and in heaven does not show omnipresence, any more then our being on earth and in heaven means that we are omnipresent.

Much love!

John 1:48
"How do you know me?" Nathanael asked. Jesus answered, "I saw you while you were still under the fig tree before Philip called you."

 

[marks]

John 1:48
"How do you know me?" Nathanael asked. Jesus answered, "I saw you while you were still under the fig tree before Philip called you."

God could not have shown Jesus that?

He said He could do nothing of Himself. Was that true?

Is there anything that actually teaches Jesus was omnipresent while on earth?

Or was it only after His resurrection that He was not limited to where His body could be?

Much love!

 

[ChristisGod]

God could not have shown Jesus that?

He said He could do nothing of Himself. Was that true?

Is there anything that actually teaches Jesus was omnipresent while on earth?

Or was it only after His resurrection that He was not limited to where His body could be?

Much love!

If Jesus was "limited" from being human for 33 years, why is He no longer limited since He is still a man ?