Kenosis False Teaching

[101G]

In the OT when God is talking to umm Jeremiah.. he calls him Son of Man..
Son of Man go unto such and such and say..

So this Son of Man.. is the Flesh body with God's Spirit guiding the body, the mouth what to say.
The Son of God is that Spirit with a glorified body, the flesh is gone.. corruptible put on incorruption..

He shall be.... not is called yet..
I'm trying here..
thank you for your patience :)

do you mean Ezekiel?

Ziggy, did you not hear, the son of man came from heaven, no NATURAL FLESH AND BLOOD BODY IS IN HEAVEN. the son of God is the NATURAL FLESH AND BLOOD that came out of Mary. no woman can birth a spirit. it iimmaterial. only God give spirit to flesh bodies.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[Ziggy]

Being in the "form of God" because God made man after his image and likeness..
it's circular

 

[Ziggy]

what is man that thou art mindful of him?
thou hast made him a little lower than the angels..

 

[101G]

ok people, we know from scriptures that the Spirit that was in the Christ was an "EQUAL" Spirit "WITH" the SPIRIT.... so 101G are you saying that it is two equal Spirit?. no, only one Spirit, "EQUALLY" shared of his ownself, BINGO. this is the G243 allso, the "ANOTHER" of the "SAME" source I keep preaching on, but it seems only a few, and I mean a few are getting it. so 101G is this in the bible? answer YES. scripture, right here in.... Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"

now root out the word "FORM" and one will have their answer.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[101G]

Being in the "form of God" because God made man after his image and likeness..
it's circular

yes full circle, listen again, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me."

who is the ARM of the LORD? JESUS, who is his "OWN" self. and his "own" ARM was made manifested, or he was made manifested in flesh. listen, Isaiah 53:1 "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?"Isaiah 53:2 "For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him."Isaiah 53:3 "He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not."Isaiah 53:4 "Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted."

are we smelling the coffee yet?


PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[Ziggy]

ok people, we know from scriptures that the Spirit that was in the Christ was an "EQUAL" Spirit "WITH" the SPIRIT.... so 101G are you saying that it is two equal Spirit?. no, only one Spirit, "EQUALLY" shared of his ownself, BINGO. this is the G243 allso, the "ANOTHER" of the "SAME" source I keep preaching on, but it seems only a few, and I mean a few are getting it. so 101G is this in the bible? answer YES. scripture, right here in.... Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"

now root out the word "FORM" and one will have their answer.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

Man has a spirit of his own too..
this is the spirit of disobedience.
We have to overcome one with the other
but we can't do this alone, God helps us.
I see the merging of the minds... let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus..
Who's mind did Christ Jesus have? He had God's mind.
Our mind gave over to sin in the garden. it fell from grace, our man spirit failed.
wasn't just the flesh that failed, our hearts became stone.
Jesus is the flesh heart of God.

so hard to say what I see.. ugh..

 

[101G]

I see the merging of the minds... let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus..

this have to do with the mind of God? ... yes, "BEING" G2758 κενόω kenoo in flesh which is his NATURE, shared in flesh. BINGO. God nature never change, but the mind of the nature in flesh G2758 κενόω kenoo GREW as any man mind would grow. so being in God "NATURE" he was our example in human flesh.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[marks]

Another blatant misrepresentation of the bible reading your own doctrine into the scriptures. His Glory/Divinity was veiled in His humanity, it was not missing.

Before you start flinging those helpful labels about . . .

John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."

What was the glory which Jesus had with the Father, and now asks to have?

Much love!

 

[marks]

To lack a single attribute by default makes Him not God.

You seem to base your argument on this notion, however, this both mistates the issue, and assumes the answer.

To empty Himself of omniscience, say, does not mean He's not God. In point of fact, Jesus Himself stated there were things He did not know, and yet He is still God come in flesh.

You were right to say Jesus did not empty Himself of divinity, but He most certainly emptied Himself of that which goes with being divine, that is, His omnipotence, His omniscience, as someone said, the omnis.

He said that He could do nothing of Himself. He spoke what the Father spoke, did what the Father did.

Much love!

 

[marks]

You nailed it sister :)

Maybe I didn't understand what you were saying.

Did Jesus have all knowledge when He lived on earth before His death?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Jesus, in taking on an added nature of humanity, obviously stopped being Omnipresent;

Oh, no, that's way too simple!

:)

 

[ChristisGod]

Before you start flinging those helpful labels about . . .

John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."

What was the glory which Jesus had with the Father, and now asks to have?

Much love!

His Glory was veiled or hidden in the flesh but on a rare occasion James, Peter and John were able to see it.

Read Isaiah 6:1-5 and see His Pre- Incarnate Glory unveiled in all its Majesty.

John 12:41
These things Isaiah said, because he saw His glory, and he spoke of Him

Isa 6:1-5
In the year of King, Uzziah's death, I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, lofty and exalted, with the train of His robe filling the temple. 2 Seraphim stood above Him, each having six wings; with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew. 3 And one called out to another and said,

"Holy, Holy, Holy, is the Lord of hosts,,

The whole earth is full of His glory."

4 And the foundations of the thresholds trembled at the voice of him who called out, while the temple was filling with smoke. 5 Then I said,
5"Woe is me, for I am ruined!,
Because I am a man of unclean lips,
And I live among a people of unclean lips;,
For my eyes have seen the King, the Lord of hosts."

They caught a glimpse of His Glory and Majesty at the Transfiguration.

2 Peter 1:16-18
For we did not follow cleverly devised stories when we told you about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ in power, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17 He received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.” 18 We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we were with him on the sacred mountain.

hope this helps !!!

 

[ChristisGod]

Maybe I didn't understand what you were saying.

Did Jesus have all knowledge when He lived on earth before His death?

Much love!

Let me ask you this simple question.

Does Jesus have 2 natures?

A human nature and a Divine nature ?

 

[marks]

Real hard to hold a descent discussion around here..
JUST SAYING

THANK YOU

Too hard, sometimes!

There's Christianity, and there is Christendom, one being a body of believers, the other being a social compact of those who desire a good reputation.

Much love!

 

[marks]

His Glory was veiled or hidden in the flesh but on a rare occasion James, Peter and John were able to see it.

Read Isaiah 6:1-5 and see His Pre- Incarnate Glory unveiled in all its Majesty.

John 12:41
These things Isaiah said, because he saw His glory, and he spoke of Him

Isa 6:1-5
In the year of King, Uzziah's death, I saw the Lord sitting on a throne, lofty and exalted, with the train of His robe filling the temple. 2 Seraphim stood above Him, each having six wings; with two he covered his face, and with two he covered his feet, and with two he flew. 3 And one called out to another and said,

"Holy, Holy, Holy, is the Lord of hosts,,

The whole earth is full of His glory."

4 And the foundations of the thresholds trembled at the voice of him who called out, while the temple was filling with smoke. 5 Then I said,
5"Woe is me, for I am ruined!,
Because I am a man of unclean lips,
And I live among a people of unclean lips;,
For my eyes have seen the King, the Lord of hosts."

They caught a glimpse of His Glory and Majesty at the Transfiguration.

2 Peter 1:16-18
For we did not follow cleverly devised stories when we told you about the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ in power, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17 He received honor and glory from God the Father when the voice came to him from the Majestic Glory, saying, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.” 18 We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we were with him on the sacred mountain.

hope this helps !!!

It doesn't really help, as you have not addressed my post.

I had written:

marks said: ↑

Before you start flinging those helpful labels about . . .

John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."

What was the glory which Jesus had with the Father, and now asks to have?

Much love!

Did you want to take a stab at answering?

Much love!

 

[marks]

Let me ask you this simple question.

Does Jesus have 2 natures?

A human nature and a Divine nature ?

Not if you won't answer my simple question.

Did Jesus have all knowledge when He lived on earth before His death?

Much love!

 

[ChristisGod]

It doesn't really help, as you have not addressed my post.

I had written:

marks said: ↑

Before you start flinging those helpful labels about . . .

John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."

What was the glory which Jesus had with the Father, and now asks to have?

Much love!

Did you want to take a stab at answering?

Much love!

I guess you reject a biblical response.

 

[ChristisGod]

Not if you won't answer my simple question.

Did Jesus have all knowledge when He lived on earth before His death?

Much love!

You will get an in depth answer once you let me know if you believe Jesus has 2 natures, fully God and fully man.

I need to know if you accept this or reject this Mark. Then I will answer a 1000 of your questions and you can fire away all day at me.

hope this helps !!!

 

[marks]

I guess you reject a biblical response.

Really?

It seemed more like a "Biblical" non-response to me. You avoided my question.

Much love!

 

[marks]

You will get an in depth answer once you let me know if you believe Jesus has 2 natures, fully God and fully man.

I need to know if you accept this or reject this Mark. Then I will answer a 1000 of your questions and you can fire away all day at me.

hope this helps !!!

Sure thing.

Here's what actually helps . . . Jesus Himself let us know that He didn't know everything. So you can engage with this truth or not, up to you.

Much love!