Kenosis False Teaching

[101G]

So when God breathed into Adams nostrils and became a living soul.. that was God recreating himself in the form of a man..
thus Adam is the Son of God and yet God because God is breathed into Adam?

when God breathed into Adam nostrils he became alive, "conscious", as said a living soul. scripture, Job 27:3 "All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils;" now when God indwells you then you're empowered in his wisdom and all his gifts.

now as for God IMAGE, it is in the term "ANOTHER" wich contains his Spirit, him. and that another of God his own ARE is in the "FOR" ot the another ADAM... EVE. see EVE is bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh, and they are one? who as one... answer, as ordinal FIRST and ordinal Last of each other. and in that image, God is ordina First, and he God is ordinal Last.

that's why he said "I AM THAT IAM"

I AM, Spirit, LORD/Father, why? because he's CREATOR, and MAKER of all things. the ordinal First.

THAT, spirit, Lord/Son, why? because he's SAVIOUR and REDEEMER, as a man in flesh, the ordinal.

I AM, Spirit, the almighty, Golrified in Flesh .... WITH the Spirit, why? because he's MEDIATOR, and COMFORTER,

Mediator, in flesh, 1 John 2:1 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"

Comforter in Spirit, John 14:16 "And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;"

and he came on Pentecost.

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

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101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[101G]

You forgot the voice that said "This is my Son in whom I am well pleased "

No I didn't forget, and here's why. post book chapter, and verse where it said that the voice from heaven was the "Father's" voice here at the baptism. if you find such verse I'll repent, if you don't then you repent.

see, many assume that the voice is the Father's voice, but the scriptures don't say that. listen, Matthew 3:17 "And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." now post book chapter, and verse that says that this is the Father's voice here at the baptism, as siad I'll repent, else you repent.

I have scriptures that can disprove that. just because a voice comes from heaven do not nessary always means that it's the Father's voice........ YIKES!.

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[101G]

@Enoch111, well can we get some insight on how God overcome the impossibility of being in heaven with all his power, and at the same time on earth in flesh without his powers? well ........

the bible clearly tell us how he did it. ... so your biblical answer please..... we are waiting.

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

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101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[ChristisGod]

@Enoch111, well can we get some insight on how God overcome the impossibility of being in heaven with all his power, and at the same time on earth in flesh without his powers? well ........

the bible clearly tell us how he did it. ... so your biblical answer please..... we are waiting.

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

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101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

Remember to NEVER argue with someone who has Jesus on his side. Jesus declared while He was on this earth physically as a man, He was simultaneously in heaven.

John 3:13
No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Ziggy]

No I didn't forget, and here's why. post book chapter, and verse where it said that the voice from heaven was the "Father's" voice here at the baptism. if you find such verse I'll repent, if you don't then you repent.

see, many assume that the voice is the Father's voice, but the scriptures don't say that. listen, Matthew 3:17 "And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." now post book chapter, and verse that says that this is the Father's voice here at the baptism, as siad I'll repent, else you repent.

I have scriptures that can disprove that. just because a voice comes from heaven do not nessary always means that it's the Father's voice........ YIKES!.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

I don't see heaven like most people do.
I see heaven as the seat in the mind.
The kingdom of God is within you.
And that my friend no doubt will open a new freah can of worms..
however.. I just have a hard time seeing heaven as a literal solid material place.
same with hell.. it's a state of mind.

what was the question??
The voice from heaven..
but they heard it.. nope doesn't say anyone heard it..
Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

I think God's mind was talking to the mind in Jesus.. does that make sense?

HUGS

 

[Ziggy]

I don't see heaven like most people do.
I see heaven as the seat in the mind.
The kingdom of God is within you.
And that my friend no doubt will open a new freah can of worms..
however.. I just have a hard time seeing heaven as a literal solid material place.
same with hell.. it's a state of mind.

what was the question??
The voice from heaven..
but they heard it.. nope doesn't say anyone heard it..
Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

I think God's mind was talking to the mind in Jesus.. does that make sense?

HUGS

This is the same scenerio where Jesus rose from the dead (baptism) Mary sees him in the garden and he is whisked away (dove) and Stephen sees him sitting on the right hand of God (Voice from heaven)
hmm

 

[101G]

Remember to NEVER argue with someone who has Jesus on his side. Jesus declared while He was on this earth physically as a man, He was simultaneously in heaven.

John 3:13
No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven.

hope this helps !!!

who is in heaven.... you don't know?.... "JESUS" the ordinal FIRST..... got that, the ordinal FIRST.... YIKES!

now do you care to help your brother out in answering how Jesus, who is God, is on earth in a G2758 κενόω kenoo state without power, and is God, and in heaven with full powers? well we will be looking for your answer.

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

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101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

PS one scripture Acts 5:39 keep this in the back of your mind..... :)

 

[ChristisGod]

who is in heaven.... you don't know?.... "JESUS" the ordinal FIRST..... got that, the ordinal FIRST.... YIKES!

now do you care to help your brother out in answering how Jesus, who is God, is on earth in a G2758 κενόω kenoo state without power, and is God, and in heaven with full powers? well we will be looking for your answer.

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

PS one scripture Acts 5:39 keep this in the back of your mind..... :)

The Son is all powerful always and forever.

next.................

 

[101G]

This is the same scenerio where Jesus rose from the dead (baptism) Mary sees him in the garden and he is whisked away (dove) and Stephen sees him sitting on the right hand of God (Voice from heaven)
hmm

ok Ziggy, so no scripture that support that the voice is the Father's voice correct?

now lets advance you futher. listen, Acts 3:15 "And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses."

God raised him from the dead correct.... but think is not Jesus that ONE GOD? so the title "GOD" is that not the idenity of the three person? but many say it was the "Father", as some has said, "God the Father". see that God the Father. ok if that's so, I ask, "is this in fact at Acts 3:15 the Father who raised up that body?"... yes or no.

anyone can answer, but I'll answer it for you. John 2:18 "Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?"
John 2:19 "Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up."
John 2:20 "Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?"
John 2:21 "But he spake of the temple of his body."
John 2:22 "When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said."

ok, who raised up the body of the Lord Jesus? a. the Father, or B. the Son. we suggest you read verse 19 above carefully.

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

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101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[Ziggy]

Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

what a way to word that.. hmm

 

[101G]

The Son is all powerful always and forever.

next.................

was he all powerful while on earth in flesh? yes or no. if you say yes the you lie. just as you just did. because while on earth he was in a G2758 κενόω kenoo state, and had to be "GIVEN" the powers he had before, supportive scripture, Matthew 28:18 "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.". see your lie, for if he had them all the time he would not have to be given them again.

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

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101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

I always interpreted the word "emptied" in Phil. 2:7 to be mean simply His Spirit was poured into a human vessel as we would empty a glass of water into another glass. God transcended into a physical body.
In other words, He placed, put, transferred, incarnated ... His Spirit into the womb of Mary. The baby Jesus was God in the flesh - The Word became flesh. It is true during his childhood and up until His ministry, He appeared to everyone as a normal human, only exhibiting mature understanding on certain occasions and only His parents really knew beyond what was revealed to his community. They saw a normal carpenter's son.
We get this concept also in scripture of God pouring out His Spirit on us. Actually His Spirit is poured into our Temple and we become filled with His Spirit.

 

[101G]

Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

what a way to word that.. hmm

what was born is flesh, but the spirit was not born but given. that's what the Son of God is and the Son of Man is.

Son of God is flesh that was born. Son of Man is the spirit that came from heaven

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101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[101G]

I always interpreted the word "emptied" in Phil. 2:7 to be mean simply His Spirit was poured into a human vessel as we would empty a glass of water into another glass. God transcended into a physical body.
In other words, He placed, put, transferred, incarnated ... His Spirit into the womb of Mary. The baby Jesus was possessed by God .... emm ... probably don't like that term.
We get this concept also in scripture of God pouring out His Spirit on us. Actually His Spirit is poured into our Temple and we become filled with His Spirit.

ERROR,
G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') v.
1. to make empty.
2. (figuratively) to abase, neutralize, falsify.
[from G2756]
KJV: make (of none effect, of no reputation, void), be in vain

so please tell us how God became void because "void" means, a completely empty space, which is in order of definition #1.

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101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[Ziggy]

what was born is flesh, but the spirit was not born but given. that's what the Son of God is and the Son of Man is.

Son of God is flesh that was born. Son of Man is the spirit that came from heaven

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

I see that the opposite..
Son of Man is the flesh and Son of God is the Spirit.

 

[Ziggy]

I have to start from the beginning to see this kenoo..

Phl 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Phl 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Phl 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Phl 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Phl 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Phl 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Phl 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

no reputation... he didn't sound his own trumpet.. he didn't come with great thunderings and lightnings and fire and hailstones and and and..
He came in quietly, peaceable, timid, gentle.. no reputation.. sshhh

 

[101G]

I see that the opposite..
Son of Man is the flesh and Son of God is the Spirit.

ok, lets examine the scripture, according to you the "son of man" is flesh bone and blood a man correct. now Ziggy, lets see where the son of man came from. John 3:31 "He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all."
question Ziggy, "is flesh and blood in heaven?". flesh and BLOOD cannot come into heaven nor was it never there.

one more, John 8:23 "And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world."

the spirit that was in that body is not of this world........

now lets see where the son of God come from. Matthew 1:23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us." that "BRING FORTH" means born. lets see it, Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."

see it now the son of God is born. the son of God came and was not born. lets make it clear.

Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

see it now, a child is "BORN", but the son is "GIVEN", or came. got it now?

the son of God have blood, the body, the temple, but what dwells in that BODY is the Son of man. for when the body dies, it's without the spirit, (the son of man).

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101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

ERROR,
G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') v.
1. to make empty.
2. (figuratively) to abase, neutralize, falsify.
[from G2756]
KJV: make (of none effect, of no reputation, void), be in vain

so please tell us how God became void because "void" means, a completely empty space, which is in order of definition #1.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

Emptied cannot mean void, abased, falsified. Jesus was fully God, He just veiled His glory, (omnipotent powers) until it was time to reveal them. Even during His ministry, He glorified nature was displayed once. But He did reveal some minute examples of His powers, knowledge and the future. He is the Creator and so real did not intend for man to fully grasp that.

 

[Ziggy]

ok, lets examine the scripture, according to you the "son of man" is flesh bone and blood a man correct. now Ziggy, lets see where the son of man came from. John 3:31 "He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all."
question Ziggy, "is flesh and blood in heaven?". flesh and BLOOD cannot come into heaven nor was it never there.

one more, John 8:23 "And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world."

the spirit that was in that body is not of this world........

now lets see where the son of God come from. Matthew 1:23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us." that "BRING FORTH" means born. lets see it, Luke 1:35 "And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God."

see it now the son of God is born. the son of God came and was not born. lets make it clear.

Isaiah 9:6 "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace."

see it now, a child is "BORN", but the son is "GIVEN", or came. got it now?

the son of God have blood, the body, the temple, but what dwells in that BODY is the Son of man. for when the body dies, it's without the spirit, (the son of man).

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

In the OT when God is talking to umm Jeremiah.. he calls him Son of Man..
Son of Man go unto such and such and say..

So this Son of Man.. is the Flesh body with God's Spirit guiding the body, the mouth what to say.
The Son of God is that Spirit with a glorified body, the flesh is gone.. corruptible put on incorruption..

He shall be.... not is called yet..
I'm trying here..
thank you for your patience :)

 

[101G]

I have to start from the beginning to see this kenoo..

Phl 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Phl 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
Phl 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
Phl 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
Phl 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Phl 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Phl 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

no reputation... he didn't sound his own trumpet.. he didn't come with great thunderings and lightnings and fire and hailstones and and and..
He came in quietly, peaceable, timid, gentle.. no reputation.. sshhh

listen, Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" God is a "Spirit", per John 4:24a.

now the scripture states, "BEING", is present tense. ok, being in the "FORM" of God. ok what is "Form" here... answer NATURE, it's the Greek word,
G3444 μορφή morphe (mor-fee') n.
1. form.
2. (intrinsically) fundamental nature.
[perhaps from the base of G3313 (through the idea of adjustment of parts)]
KJV: form
Root(s): G3313

ok, we know now that our Lord Jesus "NATURE" is "Spirit" present tense. and the verse states, "EQUAL WITH" not equal "TO", but equal with, meaning the same one NATURE. trhat's bible and not changing.

now knowing that this same "EQUAL" nature is G2758 κενόω kenoo supportive scripture, Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:"
Philippians 2:8 "And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."

see, he was "HUMBLE" himself after he was G2758 κενόω kenoo in flesh... READ IT AGAIN....

so now we have a "EQUAL" .... "WITH" Spirit in that Flesh that was G2758 κενόω kenoo. my God are we stumbling over the answer right in front us? and we know that is no equal "to" God so then the same Spirit is equal "WITH" God, my God it right in front of our faces....

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101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"