Kenosis False Teaching

[101G]

Lets get to the elephant in the room which no one want to address.

in the doctrine that states that there are three "persons", but one Spirit. I asked, "did all of the Spirit came into the body which is called Christ?". well the bible say the son was sent, or came. good because it's alway good to follow the bible.

now knowing that the son came or was sent. and knowing that this doctrine teaches that it is three persons, but one Spirit, so my question still stands, "how much of the Spirit came into that body and was G2758 κενόω kenoo?"

since one say separate person, so was it 1/3 of the Spirit came? or was it all of the Spirit came, or none. but remember God was in that body... Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" and .... Matthew 1:23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us." and since one knows that "GOD is a, a, a, a, Spirit", per John 4:24a, so how much of the Spirit came? or this, Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you."

so, just from Isaiah 35:4 alone we know that "GOD" came, and he, God saved us, which is the Son. THIS CANNOT BE DENIED. so my question still stand did all of God come and dwelt in that body? if so you have hit a dead end, because the nature that was in Christ was G2758 κενόω kenoo, and that want work.

so that leave YOU with the option of A. all of the Spirit was in that body, or B. some or a part of the Spirit was in that body which will expose YOU up to polytheism, which is pagan worship. YOUR choice. A or B

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

PS the scriptures are clear... "GOD" came....... now you have to deal with that.

 

[Ziggy]

When Jesus was a young boy and Joseph and Mary went to Jerusalem. They left for home believing Jesus was among the people heading back home.
When they saw he wasn't with them, they went back to find him. They found Jesus in the temple "teaching" ..

Luk 2:46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions.
Luk 2:47 And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers.
Luk 2:48 And when they saw him, they were amazed: and his mother said unto him, Son, why hast thou thus dealt with us? behold, thy father and I have sought thee sorrowing.
Luk 2:49 And he said unto them, How is it that ye sought me? wist ye not that I must be about my Father's business?
Luk 2:50 And they understood not the saying which he spake unto them.

Luk 2:52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man.

So Christophany,
What you are saying is that during this time, Jesus the boy is not fully God, am I right?
He is growing and increasing in wisdom and stature..

Why did Jesus wait till he was thirty to start his ministry?
curious..
HUGS

 

[Ziggy]

Lets get to the elephant in the room which no one want to address.

in the doctrine that states that there are three "persons", but one Spirit. I asked, "did all of the Spirit came into the body which is called Christ?". well the bible say the son was sent, or came. good because it's alway good to follow the bible.

now knowing that the son came or was sent. and knowing that this doctrine teaches that it is three persons, but one Spirit, so my question still stands, "how much of the Spirit came into that body and was G2758 κενόω kenoo?"

since one say separate person, so was it 1/3 of the Spirit came? or was it all of the Spirit came, or none. but remember God was in that body... Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" and .... Matthew 1:23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us." and since one knows that "GOD is a, a, a, a, Spirit", per John 4:24a, so how much of the Spirit came? or this, Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you."

so, just from Isaiah 35:4 alone we know that "GOD" came, and he, God saved us, which is the Son. THIS CANNOT BE DENIED. so my question still stand did all of God come and dwelt in that body? if so you have hit a dead end, because the nature that was in Christ was G2758 κενόω kenoo, and that want work.

so that leave YOU with the option of A. all of the Spirit was in that body, or B. some or a part of the Spirit was in that body which will expose YOU up to polytheism, which is pagan worship. YOUR choice. A or B

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

PS the scriptures are clear... "GOD" came....... now you have to deal with that.

The seed was growing..
like a tree..
Do we receive the full force of the Holy Spirit as newborn babes in Christ, or do we grow into him?
Did Jesus being in a human body also have to grow?
thinking..
HUGS

 

[101G]

No your jesus was not God for 33 years as you said for He did not have any of the omni attributes.

Can the Father be God is He is not Omnipresent, Omnipotent, Omniscient, Immutable, Self-Existent, Transcendent or Sovereign ? yes or no

YES, and a resounding YES. let us help you out in answering this question, John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." at the time our Lord spoke these words, he was in heaven with all of his " Omni" powers, and yet at the same time on earth, he, the Lord Jesus, (in flesh in a G2758 κενόω kenoo state), without his Omni powers. if one cannot see it now Lord have Mercy. and that's Mercy with a capital "M" in Mercy.

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[ChristisGod]

There you go again. Oh well. We are not talking about the Father, but the Son.

God is God correct ?

The Father is God
The Son is God
The Holy Spirit is God.

Do you now deny the Godhead ?

I see you are unable to answer for you know it EXPOSES your false teaching about God, His nature and attributes.

You enjoy dodge ball I see..............................

 

[Nancy]

The seed was growing..
like a tree..
Do we receive the full force of the Holy Spirit as newborn babes in Christ, or do we grow into him?
Did Jesus being in a human body also have to grow?
thinking..
HUGS

I would say yes, Jesus did have to grow and learn just like a human...had to learn to crawn, walk...But He never gave up His divinity...IMO. As far as the "full force" of the Spirit...not sure I see where God imparts only a portion of His Spirit. Far as I am concerned, we receive the Holy Spirit at the moment of conversion yet...I am called a cessationist on here as, my belief with the Spiritual gifts ARE being used but, not in this country and not the way many of the Church's who love to ask God to bring fire down, rolling on the floor, and the babble is what got me the most. So...I can believe that the faith of some 3rd world countries is much stronger than ours in the Western world...we are rich and even the poorest of our poor is richer than the rest of the worlds people. So, Yes, I can see some of these gifts being used where they are needed most, in the far pockets of the world.
I am a cessationist of sorts but I am not at all a sensationalist.

 

[101G]

The seed was growing..
like a tree..
Do we receive the full force of the Holy Spirit as newborn babes in Christ, or do we grow into him?
Did Jesus being in a human body also have to grow?
thinking..
HUGS

that's what I like about a "THINKING" person, asking the right questions. and ........ getting ahead of everything, now I got to adjust my wording.... lol, (smile).
answer, he as well as John the baptist was both, Born of the flesh was "ALIVE" with the Spirit.

now but have I not said that Jesus was the Holy Spirit.... Yes but let me shed some light here. listen, 2 Corinthians 5:19 "To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation."

HOLD IT STOP THE PRESS. God was in Christ? yes, but is not the Spirit that is in christ that was G2758 κενόω kenoo, (now "spirit"), as a man is GOD... YES. so what gives. .............. is it two separate person of God here, as was at his baptism?.... Answer... NO. so it's only one person?... answer YES..... (smile).

I'll wait before I give my answer, because the elephant in the room must be address FIRST. YIKES!


Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[CharismaticLady]

God is God correct ?

The Father is God
The Son is God
The Holy Spirit is God.

Do you now deny the Godhead ?

I see you are unable to answer for you know it EXPOSES your false teaching about God, His nature and attributes.

You enjoy dodge ball I see..............................

I find I do have to dodge all your fake news, and the balls keep coming...

 

[101G]

The Father is God
The Son is God
The Holy Spirit is God.

that's three Gods. polytheism

I would say yes, Jesus did have to grow and learn just like a human...had to learn to crawn, walk...But He never gave up His divinity...

you're 100% correct. because God was G2758 κενόω kenoo in the flesh. but at the same time in heaven in eternity, the same Jesus with all his omin powers. that's the elephant in the room that must be address.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[101G]

How simple can we make this? scripture, John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."

how can the Lord Jesus be on earth, (in flesh), as GOD, talking to Nicodemus, and yet at the same time in heaven in eterinty as GOD with all his Powers?

ANSWER anyone?

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[Ziggy]

so it comes down to 2 interventions..

the immaculate conception... and the dove at Jesus' baptism..

 

[ChristisGod]

I find I do have to dodge all your fake news, and the balls keep coming...

That is because my questions expose your false teachings concerning Christ.

at least you know and admit that you are unable to answer them so that is a start. admitting that is the first step to healing/correcting your false teaching about Jesus and the kenosis heresy.

you see I've been studying and debating every heresy concerning Jesus with all flavors/varieties of cults for over 4 decades whereas all your eggs have been placed in the sign gifts since you have been a "christian".

your focus has been misplaced on the miraculous gifts where mine is placed upon the source of all life- Jesus Christ the Eternal Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Omniscient, Sovereign and Creator God who is IDENTICAL to the FATHER with all of the SAME DIVINE ATTRIBUTES.

Jesus is Immutable- He is the same yesterday, today and forever.

You deny that verse with kenosis since your jesus changes for 33 years and was not God and had no Omni attributes.

hope this helps !!!

 

[Ziggy]

How simple can we make this? scripture, John 3:13 "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."

how can the Lord Jesus be on earth, (in flesh), as GOD, talking to Nicodemus, and yet at the same time in heaven in eterinty as GOD with all his Powers?

ANSWER anyone?

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

He told us..
I Am, that I Am..
Everywhere all the time..

 

[Ziggy]

Real hard to hold a descent discussion around here..
JUST SAYING

THANK YOU

 

[Nancy]

that's three Gods. polytheism


you're 100% correct. because God was G2758 κενόω kenoo in the flesh. but at the same time in heaven in eternity, the same Jesus with all his omin powers. that's the elephant in the room that must be address.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

Jesus gave up His Omni's willingly so as to know what it is like to be a human.

"For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin." Hebrews 4:15

"His name is to be called Emmanuel, which means “God with us”"

"John 1, refers to Jesus as the Word who was with God, and who was God, and who became flesh (John 1:1, 14).

A voice is calling, "Clear the way for the LORD in the wilderness; Make smooth in the desert a highway for our
God. "Isaiah 40:3
“The voice of one crying in the wilderness: ‘Prepare the way of the Lord” (Matthew 3:3)." <---above prophecy fulfilled.

He healed, he forgave sins, performed many miracles. Called My Lord and My God, he did not stop the leper from worshipping Him so...either Jesus was a mad man or, He was God in flesh. Dunno why it is so difficult to understand our God being ONE in three persons.

 

[Enoch111]

how can the Lord Jesus be on earth, (in flesh), as GOD, talking to Nicodemus, and yet at the same time in heaven in eterinty as GOD with all his Powers?

Simple. "For with God NOTHING shall be impossible".

 

[101G]

so it comes down to 2 interventions..

the immaculate conception... and the dove at Jesus' baptism..

well lets get it right. there is only ONE PERSON of God that is G243 allos or was diversified in flesh. and this ONE PERSON whom many has placed Last is really First and Last ONLY, (the Holy Spirit). the plurality of God is in the form of "diversity" or simply put "ANOTHER" of ONE'S OWNSELF.

this plurality was clearly seen at the Lord's baptism. A. Jesus himself "diversified" of the Holy Spirit in flesh, (as a man). and B. the Holy Spirit himself, (JESUS,) in apperance of or in "similitude" or repersented by a dove. we suggest you carefully study what we have posted. not two separate persons, NO, but one PERSON diversified, or simply put, one person "SHARED" equally in flesh in a G2758 κενόω kenoo state, as Phil 2:6 states.

now the immaculate conception, scripture, Matthew 1:23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us." yes, God, all of him in a equally "SHARED" state in G2758 κενόω kenoo.

the dove at Jesus' baptism. as said, "in the diverse state of equally shared", which is the G243 allos of his OWNSELF as the "similitude" or is in repersentation of a dove. BINGO.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[101G]

Simple. "For with God NOTHING shall be impossible".

that's good, now as the bible do, EXPLAIN that impossibility.... well?

we'll be looking for your answer.

Remember, Don't argue with 101G, argue with the scriptures, God Holy Word.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

 

[Ziggy]

well lets get it right. there is only ONE PERSON of God that is G243 allos or was diversified in flesh. and this ONE PERSON whom many has placed Last is really First and Last ONLY, (the Holy Spirit). the plurality of God is in the form of "diversity" or simply put "ANOTHER" of ONE'S OWNSELF.

this plurality was clearly seen at the Lord's baptism. A. Jesus himself "diversified" of the Holy Spirit in flesh, (as a man). and B. the Holy Spirit himself, (JESUS,) in apperance of or in "similitude" or repersented by a dove. we suggest you carefully study what we have posted. not two separate persons, NO, but one PERSON diversified, or simply put, one person "SHARED" equally in flesh in a G2758 κενόω kenoo state, as Phil 2:6 states.

now the immaculate conception, scripture, Matthew 1:23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us." yes, God, all of him in a equally "SHARED" state in G2758 κενόω kenoo.

the dove at Jesus' baptism. as said, "in the diverse state of equally shared", which is the G243 allos of his OWNSELF as the "similitude" or is in repersentation of a dove. BINGO.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

So when God breathed into Adams nostrils and became a living soul.. that was God recreating himself in the form of a man..
thus Adam is the Son of God and yet God because God is breathed into Adam?

 

[Ziggy]

well lets get it right. there is only ONE PERSON of God that is G243 allos or was diversified in flesh. and this ONE PERSON whom many has placed Last is really First and Last ONLY, (the Holy Spirit). the plurality of God is in the form of "diversity" or simply put "ANOTHER" of ONE'S OWNSELF.

this plurality was clearly seen at the Lord's baptism. A. Jesus himself "diversified" of the Holy Spirit in flesh, (as a man). and B. the Holy Spirit himself, (JESUS,) in apperance of or in "similitude" or repersented by a dove. we suggest you carefully study what we have posted. not two separate persons, NO, but one PERSON diversified, or simply put, one person "SHARED" equally in flesh in a G2758 κενόω kenoo state, as Phil 2:6 states.

now the immaculate conception, scripture, Matthew 1:23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us." yes, God, all of him in a equally "SHARED" state in G2758 κενόω kenoo.

the dove at Jesus' baptism. as said, "in the diverse state of equally shared", which is the G243 allos of his OWNSELF as the "similitude" or is in repersentation of a dove. BINGO.

PICJAG
101G The "Spiritual Saboteur"

You forgot the voice that said "This is my Son in whom I am well pleased "
;)

HUGS