True Faith
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I think you need to reread that again...lol... you have died to the law of sin not the law of God... please reread....
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True Faith
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So you are saying that The Laws that God wrote within us no longer apply???....lol....interesting...to sin is to break the laws of God...we have to ask God to forgive us for breaking a law that we are no longer bound to????....Have you actually read scripture????
Eternally Grateful
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Thats why God gave us the law. To lead us to christ. because anyone who is sincere with himself will see that he has not kept the law.
Paul mentions this is the purpose of the law
Gal 3: 10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.”
13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”), 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, [f]kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our [g]tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
The Decalogue was to prove that man could not keep the Law, and was in need of a Savior. Like the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, He knew they would partake; but it's all part of His plan to deliver us.
Jim B
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No, you need to read -- this time with understanding.
Once again: Romans 7:4-6, "In the same way, my brothers and sisters, you have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead in order that we may bear fruit for God. For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. But now we are discharged from the law, dead to that which held us captive, so that we are enslaved in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the written code."
This clearly refers to the written OT law, not "the law of sin".
The Law causes us to focus on ourselves and our performance. From self-judgement we determine if we have been good (the fruit being self-righteousness) or evil (the fruit being guilt & condemnation).
It will point a humble heart to the need of a Savior.
Here are 42 scriptures that show why Christians are not under the law:
1. The law cannot justify you from all things. (Acts 13:39)
2. The law required physical circumcision of all males. (Acts 15:1,24)
3. The law is an unbearable yoke. (Acts 15:10)
4. Whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law. (Romans 3:19)
5. The law exposes sin, but can’t bring justification. (Romans 3:20)
6. If the law worked faith would be void and the promises of no effect. (Romans 4:14)
7. The law brings wrath. (Romans 4:15)
8. The law entered so that sin would increase. (Romans 5:20)
9. Christians are not under the law. (Romans 6:14)
10.Christians are dead to the law. (Romans 7:4)
11.Christians have been delivered from the law (Romans 7:6)
12.The law is just, holy, good & promises life but only brings death. (Romans 7:10-12)13. 13.The law makes you sinful beyond measure. (Romans 7:13)
14. The law is the law of sin and death. (Romans 8:2)
15. The law is weak. (Romans 8:3)
16. Love fulfilled the law, (Romans 13:10)
17. The law is of works, not of faith. (Romans 9:32)
18. The strength of sin is the law. (1 Corinthians 15:56)
19. The law is a ministry of death. (2 Corinthians 3:7)
20. The law is a ministry of condemnation. (2 Corinthians 3:9)
21. The law has no glory compared to the New Covenant (2 Corinthians 3:10)
22. The law is passing away. (2 Corinthians 3:11)
23. When the law is preached it produces a hardening veil. (2 Cor 3:14-15)
24. The law justifies nobody. (Galatians 2:16)
25. Christians are dead to the law. (Galatians 2:19)
26. The law frustrates grace. (Galatians 2:21)
27. To go back to the law after embracing faith is “stupid”. (Galatians 3:1)
28. The law curses all who practice it and fail to do it perfectly. (Galatians 3:10)
29. The law has nothing to do with faith. (Galatians 3:11-12)
30. The law was the curse that Christ redeemed us from. (Galatians 3:13)
31. The law was temporary from Moses till Christ. (Gal.3:16&19, Matt.11:12-13)
32. If the law worked God would have used it to save us. (Galatians 3:21)
33. The law was our prison. (Galatians 3:23)
34. The law makes you a slave. (Galatians 4:24)
35. Christ has abolished the law which was a wall of hostility. (Ephesians 2:15)
36. Paul considered everything the law gained him as rubbish. (Philippians 3:4-8)
37. The law is only good if used lawfully, to show need for a savior (1 Timothy 1:8)
38. It was made for the unrighteous but not for the righteous. (1 Timothy 1:9-10)
39. The law is weak, useless and makes nothing perfect. (Hebrews 7:18-19)
40. God found fault & created a better covenant, on better promises. (Hebrews 8:7-8)
41. It is obsolete, growing old and ready to vanish. (Hebrews 8:13)
42. It is only a shadow of good things & will never make someone perfect. (Heb. 10:1)
It will point a humble heart to the need of a Savior.
Here are 42 scriptures that show why Christians are not under the law:
1. The law cannot justify you from all things. (Acts 13:39)
2. The law required physical circumcision of all males. (Acts 15:1,24)
3. The law is an unbearable yoke. (Acts 15:10)
4. Whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law. (Romans 3:19)
5. The law exposes sin, but can’t bring justification. (Romans 3:20)
6. If the law worked faith would be void and the promises of no effect. (Romans 4:14)
7. The law brings wrath. (Romans 4:15)
8. The law entered so that sin would increase. (Romans 5:20)
9. Christians are not under the law. (Romans 6:14)
10.Christians are dead to the law. (Romans 7:4)
11.Christians have been delivered from the law (Romans 7:6)
12.The law is just, holy, good & promises life but only brings death. (Romans 7:10-12)13. 13.The law makes you sinful beyond measure. (Romans 7:13)
14. The law is the law of sin and death. (Romans 8:2)
15. The law is weak. (Romans 8:3)
16. Love fulfilled the law, (Romans 13:10)
17. The law is of works, not of faith. (Romans 9:32)
18. The strength of sin is the law. (1 Corinthians 15:56)
19. The law is a ministry of death. (2 Corinthians 3:7)
20. The law is a ministry of condemnation. (2 Corinthians 3:9)
21. The law has no glory compared to the New Covenant (2 Corinthians 3:10)
22. The law is passing away. (2 Corinthians 3:11)
23. When the law is preached it produces a hardening veil. (2 Cor 3:14-15)
24. The law justifies nobody. (Galatians 2:16)
25. Christians are dead to the law. (Galatians 2:19)
26. The law frustrates grace. (Galatians 2:21)
27. To go back to the law after embracing faith is “stupid”. (Galatians 3:1)
28. The law curses all who practice it and fail to do it perfectly. (Galatians 3:10)
29. The law has nothing to do with faith. (Galatians 3:11-12)
30. The law was the curse that Christ redeemed us from. (Galatians 3:13)
31. The law was temporary from Moses till Christ. (Gal.3:16&19, Matt.11:12-13)
32. If the law worked God would have used it to save us. (Galatians 3:21)
33. The law was our prison. (Galatians 3:23)
34. The law makes you a slave. (Galatians 4:24)
35. Christ has abolished the law which was a wall of hostility. (Ephesians 2:15)
36. Paul considered everything the law gained him as rubbish. (Philippians 3:4-8)
37. The law is only good if used lawfully, to show need for a savior (1 Timothy 1:8)
38. It was made for the unrighteous but not for the righteous. (1 Timothy 1:9-10)
39. The law is weak, useless and makes nothing perfect. (Hebrews 7:18-19)
40. God found fault & created a better covenant, on better promises. (Hebrews 8:7-8)
41. It is obsolete, growing old and ready to vanish. (Hebrews 8:13)
42. It is only a shadow of good things & will never make someone perfect. (Heb. 10:1)
Not under the Law of Moses. But definitely under the Law of Christ. So there is no lawlessness in Christianity.
That was only one function of the Ten Commandments, which were there to reveal the absolute holiness and righteousness of God.
Yet it is in the New Testament that we read that the Law is holy, just, good, and spiritual. While no one other than Christ obeyed the Law perfectly, Christ incorporated it into the Law of Christ which is obeyed by the power of the Spirit by those who are children of God.
The “ Law Of Christ” can be found in Galatians .....it is this and this only —- “ Take on the Burdens Of Others”..... show me some Chapter and Verse for your “ incorporation” theory....
Law has two meanings: the Law of Moses, or law as in a power, principle, enforcement e.g. police, government, etc. Christians go beyond Law, to where there is no need for law or enforcement (Gal 5:23). The Spirit guides them and enables them: "The flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would" (Gal 5:17)
Example: "The law (principle) of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death" (Rom 8:2).
"If there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law" (Gal 3:21).
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Actually -- depending on the context -- "the Law" has several meanings in Scripture, but not what you are suggesting. Here are the various applications:
1. The entire Old Testament is called "the Law"
2. The first five books of the Bible (the Torah) are called "the Law"
3. The Law of Moses (613 laws) is called "the Law"
4. The Ten Commandments are called "the Law"
When Paul speaks of "the Law" in the epistle to the Romans (or in 2 Corinthians), he is speaking about the Ten Commandments, not the 613 commandments in the Law of Moses, and certainly not civil and criminal laws as we know them.
When Paul speaks of "the Law" in the epistle to the Romans (or in 2 Corinthians), he is speaking about the Ten Commandments, not the 613 commandments in the Law of Moses, and certainly not civil and criminal laws as we know them.
Got any Chapter and Verse for this claim?
Got any Chapter and Verse for this claim?
The law does not only condemn but it also blesses when kept Deut 28:1-14 and the rest of Deut reveals what happens when not kept. Let every matter be established by two or three witnesses, so it is revealed in Lev 23:1-13 which again reveal blessings and the rest reveals curses.
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Law needs to be understood from the author's original intent who wrote and lived in a culture and language very different from our own. Law in Bible times is very very different from law in modern times. They mean very different things.
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Obeying the Law, which anyone can do, brought blessings but not righteousness, which is needed to be imputed from the Lord Jesus for fellowship with God. Israel had union with God through faith and obedience to the Law, but fellowship comes only through Christ. Today Jews believe and obey God's commandments (Law), but their "unbelief" (Heb 3:19) in Chrit is keeping them from entering fellowship; which will come later for Israel during the Millennium (Jer 31:31; Eze 36:27).
Obeying the Law, which anyone can do
Sorry.....not buying that
The following is what Peter had to say in regard to that ‘ easy” Law—-
“ Why do you desire to put a LOAD on the back of the Believers that neither We nor our fathers were able to carry” Acts 15:10
“I don’t turn my back on the undeserved Grace Of God, because if we can obtain acceptance by God By Keeping the Law, Jesus Died for Nothing”. Gal2:21
In the final analysis, the difficulty or the ease of the Law is a moot point, because Paul declared that “ Christ is THE END of the Law for all of those that Believe” Rom. 10:4
Sorry.....not buying that
The following is what Peter had to say in regard to that ‘ easy” Law—-
“ Why do you desire to put a LOAD on the back of the Believers that neither We nor our fathers were able to carry” Acts 15:10
“I don’t turn my back on the undeserved Grace Of God, because if we can obtain acceptance by God By Keeping the Law, Jesus Died for Nothing”. Gal2:21
In the final analysis, the difficulty or the ease of the Law is a moot point, because Paul declared that “ Christ is THE END of the Law for all of those that Believe” Rom. 10:4
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Rockerduck
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I'll sum it up simply. The law was given to earthy people to reveal their sins. Grace is given to Heavenly people to forgive their sins.
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A few things, righteousness is not a New Testament idea, it is all through the Old Testament, so righteousness was well before God manifested Himself in the flesh in the person of Yeshua. Yeshua gives us atonement and redemption revealed through being the Passover Lamb, which is what the very first Passover in Exodus was the pattern and not the Easter bunny. Tribulation via plagues then redemption via the Passover Lamb then, writing the law down on how to live, worship and follow Yahweh to be a HOLY set apart people which is Torah and righteousness. That's the order. This is what Peter has in mind when he said be holy for I am holy directly quoting the Torah (Law). Yeshua is our redeemer, deliverer and savior exactly as happened in the Exodus account. Yahweh Passed over His people that did what He said which is in and of itself a law by killing a lamb and applying the blood on the doorpost. They were blessed because they followed that law (teaching and instruction) the ones that were cursed were the ones that did not follow that law (teaching and instruction) being most of the Egyptians representing the world who do not want to follow the teachings and instructions. One also needs to remember there were very likely none Hebrew people that also killed a lamb and put on their doorpost after witnessing the plagues and how after the third plague Israel were not affected by the plagues they saw and witnessed them but were not affected by them. A big hint here as to a pattern of the end times also. Then there was a host of mixed multitudes peoples that left with Israel from Egypt, then the Law says one law for the native born and the stranger. ONE LAW!!!
One also new to be careful of blanket statements as the "Jews" being kept from fellowship. There are literally thousands of "Jews" who have come to believe that Yeshua is the Messiah thus starting to fulfill prophecy of the fulness of the Gentiles. Paul clearly teaches that Jews or Israelites have a blindness and deafness to Yeshua as Messiah but this was bought on by Yahweh Himself, there will come a time and it has already started that "Jews" eyes, ears and hearts will be opened and they will see Messiah Yeshua. Halleluyah!!!! Many already believe!!!
You rightly say that Jer and Eze reveal the two becoming one which Yeshua also taught that He has sheep in another fold and they will be bought in and the two shall become one John 10:16. Another way of saying what Jer and Eze say a very Hebrew way of thinking. Remember Yahweh decided to reveal (manifest) Himself as one from the tribe of Judah literally a "Jew" in Yeshua our Messiah. Fulfilling prophecy from centuries and centuries earlier. By the blessing Jacob gave over Judah. Following on through the Davidic covenant. One cannot fully understand end times until one understands the history and involvement of Israel and other ancient cultures. One needs to understand what the "House of Israel" means and what the "House of Judah" means.
Righteousness and redemption are different issues. It is imperative to understand these terms from the original Hebrew language. Which our Bibles were written in. These terms mean different things to someone living in 21st Century speaking Modern English. Righteousness and redemption are English words trying to convey the Hebrew words and their meaning and nearly all the time English falls hopelessly short.
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