LEFT BEHIND ... what to do?

[Ronald David Bruno]

Don't know where you got that idea, Iran is represented by Persia in Ezekiel 38 of the nations that will come upon Jerusalem on the last day.

What, the idea that Iran has been behind these proxy wars and a goal of annihilating the Jews? It's reality. You see, I do not believe in a Revised Roman Empire as the Beast. I think Islam is the Beast. The have been warring against Isreal since their rebirth in 1948. The Ottoman Empire was the 7th Beast ( just as each empire since the Flood has been manifest as the Beast ( Babylonian, Egyptian, Medo-Persan, Assyria, Greek and Roman). The Ottoman Empire lasted almost 500 until 1921 and now in our generation has been resuscitated ... or haven 't you notice

And the idea of a peace treaty is not actually what the confirming of the covenant of Daniel 9:27 means

AGAIN, i am not a adherent to the Gap theory.

Also, per Revelation 13:4-8, the "dragon" will have power for 42 months over ALL nations, and that will include Iran.

Yes, Satan, with seven heads and ten horns will bring 20 nations against Israel. The Antichrist is not a Jew, nor will the Jews follow him. He attacks the Jews and Christians.

The left-behind idea per Jesus in His Word is about HIS ELECT, those NOT deceived by the Antichrist.

Some of the elect will be left behind!
My parents were elect. I believe they are in heaven; YET neither one of them believed until they were in their 80's. God had to subject them to their death beds before He could get their attention. Their rebelliousness collapsed, their fight defeated and they finally surrendered. Many folks receive the Lord in their final days. So is this time any different? No, many will just be in the process, on the list, but not yet confirmed. What you are implying is that when Jesus comes, no matter what age or where the are in their journey, they'll all be instantly prepared for the Rapture. That does not sound anything like hiw God has dealt with each and every individual, who has been on his own personal journey towards the divine appointment.
There is Biblical evidence that supports thus view. Look at the Seven Churches in Revelation. Yes theybexisted in the 1ST century, but they were also church types throughout the ages. Only one, Philadelphia, the faithful church was promised to be spared wrath. All the others experienced warnings to repent, they did not. Smyrna was the next faithful church but was persecuted.

You have that backwards because of listening to false pre-trib preachers. Jesus showed in Luke 17 and Matthew 24:28 those TAKEN will be taken to wheresoever the fowls are that eat on a dead "carcase."

You didn't read what I said. I don't follow any of them. John MacArthur was my go scholar -- but not for eschatology!

The Mid-trib view still is... a pre-tribulational rapture type theory, and is not written in God's Word.

No it's not. It is a pre- wrath view, which comes in the 7 Bowls of Wrath. I believe that the 7th Trumpet is the "last trumpet". And so unless the are all blown rapidly and then the effects are gradually released and accumulaye over time, then we have to go through much tribulation.
Revelation ( IMHO) is not chronological. God shows us what each seal, trumpet and bowl means one at a time, but it doesn't mean many of them are not happening simultaneously. In Rev.7:9 we see a great multitude that just came " out of the tribulation in heaven. That means they were in it. Those are the elect, many of them. In Rev..6:9, The martyrs in heaven asked How long oh Lord shall it be ...? And He said until the number of rest of the elect would have to die as they did, was complete.

But man's false pre-trib rapture idea is different, because Noah's ark would have had to be 'caught up' to Heaven during that flood to be a direct parallel for the end. So exactly how did Lord Jesus mean that the end would be just like the days of Noah?...

"As in the days of Noah" reflects a parallel in that people were just living normally, working , carrying on with their daily routines, marrying, having babies. The scriptures tells you that.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

The fact that God's "two witnesses" will appear in Jerusalem, and prophesy from there against the beast for 1260 days, and issue plagues like Moses and Aaron did, and then the "two witnesses" are killed by the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit, and the people then send each other gifts because those are killed, exactly what does that reveal about the deceived Jews dwelling there in that time of the "great tribulation"? It reveals they will be deceived and siding with the false-Messiah

The two witnesses ( evangelists) mangae to convince 1/3 of them, the remnant Israel ( Rom. 11) whether this happens prior to the Rapture or not - not sure (but lean towards them finally getting it when every eye sees Him and the mourn. They mourn because the realize that He was/is the Messiah all along. What shame they must feel and remorse. Butnthisbties inti the fact that people must make through the Great Tribulation. Why?
>> Who will repopulate the earth, since we could not procreate anymore with our eternal bodies.???<<<
Daniel 12:12 also supports this scenario well: " Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days."

> What is day 1335? The Great Tribulatiin is over NY the time the reach that day. That is a day of peace, a blessing ... those who survive til that day are blessed and enter into the MK. Mortals repopulate it, immortals can't.
See ... your view is wrong!

 

[Davy]

What, the idea that Iran has been behind these proxy wars and a goal of annihilating the Jews? It's reality. You see, I do not believe in a Revised Roman Empire as the Beast. I think Islam is the Beast. The have been warring against Isreal since their rebirth in 1948. The Ottoman Empire was the 7th Beast ( just as each empire since the Flood has been manifest as the Beast ( Babylonian, Egyptian, Medo-Persan, Assyria, Greek and Roman). The Ottoman Empire lasted almost 500 until 1921 and now in our generation has been resuscitated ... or haven 't you notice

I cannot agree with all that. I think you're giving men's political theories about Iran and Israel too much weight, and need to look deeper in God's Word about the END instead. Persia is in the list of nations that will come against Israel on the last day, per Ezekiel 38. That's the area of Iraq and Iran. Allied with them will be Gomer representing old Soviet satellite nations like Georgia, and Libya which we already know is allied with Russia and are radical Islam, a part of old Ethiopia south of Egypt represented by Yemen, Sudan, etc.. And old Togarmah which is today's area of modern Turkey, an Islamic nation. All those are allied with Russia (Gog/Magog), and will come against Israel on the last day of this world. Russia just so happens to be radical Islam's main ally for weapons and training. Those are the nations that will attack the West and the nation of Israel on the last day. But during the time of "great tribulation", the coming false-Messiah to Jerusalem will have power over all of them, and over all nations.

Possibly what you are not seeing is how God's "two witnesses" will involve not only the two that prophesy literally in Jerusalem, but also two Churches, because the 'candlesticks' per Rev.1 represent the Churches. That will be about some of Christ's elect being delivered up towards the end of the "great tribulation" to give a Testimony for Jesus against the beast. It will happen with those two symbolic Churches in many countries. And GOD Himself is going to speak to the whole... world through them, by The Holy Spirit cloven tongue. Lord Jesus foretold about this in Mark 13. When that happens, it is going to really tick Satan off, and that is when he will get stirred up to attack Israel and the Christian West, and try to get rid of God's people once and for all. But that is the day when Lord Jesus with His army will step in to stop it, on the "day of the Lord".

As for the beasts of Rev.17, one must be very careful when reading that chapter, because both a beast kingdom and a beast king are being spoken of. For the beast kings, the Roman emperor Domitian was the 6th one in Apostle John's day. The 7th one has not come yet, and is for the end of this present world, our times. The 8th beast king will be Satan after Christ's future "thousand years" reign when he is loosed one final time to tempt the nations representing Gog/Magog.

AGAIN, i am not a adherent to the Gap theory.

I'm not certain just what you are calling the Gap theory. The one I'm familiar with deals with Old World Creationism.

Yes, Satan, with seven heads and ten horns will bring 20 nations against Israel. The Antichrist is not a Jew, nor will the Jews follow him. He attacks the Jews and Christians.

That of course is not Biblical. Don't know where you're coming up with those 20 nations. Most theorize about 10 nations, which isn't Biblical either. The "ten kings" represented by the "ten crowns" have to be symbolic of reign over 'groups' of nations, because like Rev.13:4-8 states, the "dragon" will have power over ALL nations for 42 months, and that even includes the nation of Israel. It will especially... include Israel, because Jerusalem is where the coming Antichrist/false-Messiah is going reign from.

The coming Antichrist will... be 'presented' as a Jew. Are you confused about the meaning of the word Messiah in The Bible? Lord Jesus revealed the idea of a false-Christ at the end of this world per Matthew 24:23-26. He will attempt to portray Jesus Christ. That means the false-Christ will claim, or those false Jews who make him king of Israel in Jerusalem will claim, that he is born of the tribe of Judah like the prophecy says, including being of the seed of David. Thus it seems that you haven't really understood what The Bible reveals about the coming final Antichrist/false-Messiah.

I'll not go any further with this, as the rest of your post is just too far-out from Biblical literacy.

 

[Davy]

The two witnesses ( evangelists) mangae to convince 1/3 of them, the remnant Israel ( Rom. 11) whether this happens prior to the Rapture or not - not sure (but lean towards them finally getting it when every eye sees Him and the mourn. They mourn because the realize that He was/is the Messiah all along. What shame they must feel and remorse. Butnthisbties inti the fact that people must make through the Great Tribulation. Why?
>> Who will repopulate the earth, since we could not procreate anymore with our eternal bodies.???<<<
Daniel 12:12 also supports this scenario well: " Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days."

> What is day 1335? The Great Tribulatiin is over NY the time the reach that day. That is a day of peace, a blessing ... those who survive til that day are blessed and enter into the MK. Mortals repopulate it, immortals can't.
See ... your view is wrong!

That's wishful thinking about 1/3 of the Jews being converted to Christ by the "two witnesses". Only once God's "two witnesses" rise from laying dead in the street for 3.5 days will some of the deceived Jews begin to even wonder what's really going on. When they see Jesus coming in the clouds, that is when their shock will come upon them, and they will feel shame for having rejected Jesus. Those who will then be saying for the mountains to "fall on us", and for the hills to "cover us" will be those deceived Jews in Jerusalem.

As for the type body that comes on the day of Christ's return, I well know what most Churches teach from what Apostle Paul said in 1 Corinthians 15 about the 'change' at the 'twinkling of an eye' on the last trump. Most Churches teaches that 'change' is only for those of Christ's Church. They are wrong,

Per Lord Jesus in John 5:28-29, He showed on the day of His coming ALL... in the graves shall be resurrected; those who did good to the "resurrection of life", and those who did evil to the "resurrection of damnation". So what type... of body did Paul teach the resurrection is? Paul taught it is a "spiritual body". Will those of the "resurrection of damnation" not have that body type of the resurrection also? Yes, of course they will, which is the "spiritual body" or spirit body image. Likewise, the wicked still alive on earth will also be 'changed' to that spirit body. Everyone will be. So how will Christ's saints and the wicked be different in His future Kingdom?

That is where most Churches don't go deep enough in Bible study of what all Paul covered in 1 Cor.15:53-54. In the Greek Paul showed that TWO CHANGES must happen on that day to have eternal life through Christ Jesus. The wicked will only go through the 1st change, which is from a body of corruption (flesh) to a body of incorruption (spiritual body). The 2nd change is one's mortal soul must be made immortal, which will only happen for those of the 1st resurrection in Christ. That is what Paul covered in the Greek. The KJV translators just didn't bring it all into English, yet it ought to be really easy to understand, because Jesus revealed the idea of being spiritually dead inside one's flesh, which is about one's soul being 'mortal' and liable to perish.

Even in Matthew 10:28 Jesus said to not fear those who can kill the flesh body, but not the soul, but to fear Him Who can destroy both body (spirit body) and soul in the "lake of fire". So if one is still subject to the "second death" after Christ's future return, it means their spirit with soul can still perish, and is not immortal.

 

[Earburner]

That was a non-global slaughter happening to a few cities. You prove my point and disprove yours.

In the same biblical book and chapter, do you think the same about Jesus' reference to Noah, that it also was only "a non-global slaughter"?
KJV Luke 17
[26] And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
[27] They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

[28] Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot;......

I perceive that you need serious KJV Bible study time. Preferably with the Holy Spirit, and not with that which is taught by the wisdom of men. 1 Cor. ch. 2.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Persia is in the list of nations that will come against Israel on the last day, per Ezekiel 38. That's the area of Iraq and Iran. Allied with them will be Gomer representing old Soviet satellite nations like Georgia, and Libya which we already know is allied with Russia and are radical Islam, a part of old Ethiopia south of Egypt represented by Yemen, Sudan, etc.. And old Togarmah which is today's area of modern Turkey, an Islamic nation. All those are allied with Russia (Gog/Magog),

Correct, present day Iran. Iran has already gather a half dozen of the ten nations. And of course Russia has been assisting Iran for decades with their nuclear program which has recently been dismantled. Turkey, Yemen ( already involved), Iraq, Lebanon (Hezbollah), Syria (a new leader who was former Al Qaida), Qatar (Hamas headquarters), Egypt ... a couple more and there you go.

the 'candlesticks' per Rev.1 represent the Churches

Can churches lay in the street of Jerusalem _ dead_ for 3.5 days? How does your symbolism work with that?

That of course is not Biblical. Don't know where you're coming up with those 20 nations

The 20 was a typo meant to be 10.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

That's wishful thinking about 1/3 of the Jews being converted to Christ by the "two witnesses".

And it shall come to pass in all the land,”
Says the Lord,
“That two-thirds in it shall be cut off and die,
But one-third shall be left in it:
Zech. 13:8

The wicked will only go through the 1st change, which is from a body of corruption (flesh) to a body of incorruption (spiritual body). The 2nd change is one's mortal soul must be made immortal, which will only happen for those of the 1st resurrection in Christ.

We are born with a dead spirit, then when we believe, born again. However, unbelievers remain with a dead spirit. It is not given life. They have a soul and body. The dead in Christ will be given a new body. Not sure about this, but likely the lost souls of the dead if resurrected, will just have physical bodies to be welcomed by Judgment, the wrath of God on earth, then thrown into the Lake of Fire and destroyed. Remember, they are coming from Hades (a prison in the underworld for lost souls) are actually awaiting their judgment. This happens again after the MK upon the 2nd resurrection, involving souls in the MK who towards the end, rebelled and warred against Christ.

>> I will put sinews on you and bring flesh upon you, cover you with skin and put breath in you; and you shall live. Then you shall know that I am the LORD.” ’ ”
Ezek. 37:6
The dry dead bones in the graves come to life again ... only for judgment.

Even in Matthew 10:28 Jesus said to not fear those who can kill the flesh body, but not the soul, but to fear Him Who can destroy both body (spirit body) and soul in the "lake of fire". So if one is still subject to the "second death" after Christ's future return, it means their spirit with soul can still perish, and is not immortal

As I said, there Spirit is already dead, it is both body and soul that will be destroyed in the Lake of Fire. I liken this event to Gollum's end in the Lord of the Rings, falling into the volcanic lava lake.

 

[ewq1938]

In the same biblical book and chapter, do you think the same about Jesus' reference to Noah, that it also was only "a non-global slaughter"?

Yes. Both are examples of targeted and limited killing.

KJV Luke 17
[26] And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
[27] They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

[28] Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot;......

I perceive that you need serious KJV Bible study time. Preferably with the Holy Spirit, and not with that which is taught by the wisdom of men. 1 Cor. ch. 2.

I also perceive that you need serious KJV Bible study time, away from your controlling denomination. Preferably with the Holy Spirit, and not with that which is taught by the wisdom of men. 1 Cor. ch. 2.

 

[Earburner]

And it shall come to pass in all the land,”
Says the Lord,
“That two-thirds in it shall be cut off and die,
But one-third shall be left in it:
Zech. 13:8

We are born with a dead spirit, then when we believe, born again. However, unbelievers remain with a dead spirit. It is not given life. They have a soul and body. The dead in Christ will be given a new body. Not sure about this, but likely the lost souls of the dead if resurrected, will just have physical bodies to be welcomed by Judgment, the wrath of God on earth, then thrown into the Lake of Fire and destroyed. Remember, they are coming from Hades (a prison in the underworld for lost souls) are actually awaiting their judgment. This happens again after the MK upon the 2nd resurrection, involving souls in the MK who towards the end, rebelled and warred against Christ.

>> I will put sinews on you and bring flesh upon you, cover you with skin and put breath in you; and you shall live. Then you shall know that I am the LORD.” ’ ”
Ezek. 37:6
The dry dead bones in the graves come to life again ... only for judgment.

As I said, there Spirit is already dead, it is both body and soul that will be destroyed in the Lake of Fire. I liken this event to Gollum's end in the Lord of the Rings, falling into the volcanic lava lake.

No one here understands that ALL PEOPLE, who are without Christ, HAVE NOT ever been given any kind of a literal "eternal soul" or "spirit" by God AT anytime!!

Let's see who can figure it out as to what "the breath of life" actually is.
Lev. 17
[11] For the life OF the flesh is IN the blood:
Clue: it's a gaseous element. (Moses was not good in Chemistry 101).

When you get this correct, only THEN will you be actually studying the KJV Bible by the Holy Spirit and not that which is fabricated by "church-ianity".
Edit: (Ref. my posts #289, 297, 301, 304 and 305).

 

[Davy]

Can churches lay in the street of Jerusalem _ dead_ for 3.5 days? How does your symbolism work with that?

Firstly, that is not my... symbolism. It is our Lord Jesus' symbol that He gave in Rev.1...

Rev 1:20
20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in My right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.
KJV

Above is Jesus speaking to John about what John saw.

Rev 2:5
5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
KJV

Above is Jesus speaking to the Church at Ephesus.


Rev 11:3-4
3 And I will give power unto My two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
KJV

That kind of thing happens quite a bit in Bible Scripture where God didn't give away every point to those who treat His Salvation plan with men's doctrines of fleshy thinking. He often saves small bits of pearls at the end or near the end of a Bible Chapter, knowing not all will be paying attention.

The seven candlesticks represent the seven Churches. And Lord Jesus gave a Message to each one of those seven Churches. He had rebuke for five of them, but no rebuke for only two of the Churches, the Church of Smyrna and the Church of Philadelphia. And Jesus mentioned an idea to those two Churches only that they knew, which He did not mention to the other five Churches. Jesus spoke of the "synagogue of Satan" that those two Churches also knew about. That term "synagogue of Satan" is not simply about the unbelieving Jews that God spiritually blinded per Romans 11. These instead Jesus showed they only 'say'... they are Jews, but are not. I've mentioned this fact several times on this forum, but no one appears to understand about the 'crept in unawares' involving Judah's Old Testament history of the Canaanites and Kenites of the land of Canaan creeping in to become religious Jews. That is even why the very last verse of Zechariah 14 which is for after Jesus has returned, says then there shall no more be the Canaanite in the house of God. Israel's scribes were actually of the people of Canaan called Kenites (1 Chronicle 2:55). They were joined with the Pharisees who sought to kill Jesus.

Those two candlesticks, or Churches, represent Christ's very elect. They will prophesy in many nations along with the time of the "two witnesses" in Jerusalem. Jesus revealed this in Mark 13 when He showed some will be delivered up to give a Testimony for Him against the beast, and to not premeditate what to say in that 'hour', but speak what The Holy Spirit gives to speak.

 

[Davy]

No one here understands that ALL PEOPLE, who are without Christ, HAVE NOT ever been given any kind of a literal "soul" or "spirit" by God AT anytime!!

Let's see who can figure it out as to what "the breath of life" actually is.
Lev. 17
[11] For the life OF the flesh is IN the blood:
Clue: it's a gaseous element.

When you get this correct, only THEN will you be actually studying the KJV Bible by the Holy Spirit and not that which is fabricated by "church-ianity".

You just don't know how wrong you are.

The blood, the flesh, are things of this MATERIAL WORLD OF MATTER. They are NOT spirit nor the soul.

Matt 10:28
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him Which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
KJV

By that Lord Jesus showed that we DO... have a 'soul' joined with our flesh body, and it continues to exist even after death of our flesh body.

Jesus said...

John 3:6
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
KJV

In the above He was not speaking metaphorically. He was speaking literally, about the differences with God's creation. Flesh is of earthly material matter, which also is the substance of the whole physical universe that is seen. But Spirit is another separate dimension of existence that is NOT made of material matter.

The following Hebrews 11:3 verse points out the existence of 2 separate and different dimensions of existence, and it is a very profound verse...

Heb 11:3
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
KJV

God spoke His Word, and the material universe came into existence. But from what substance did this material universe come into existence? From the substance of Spirit, of which God is (per John 4:24).

The part in 'red' means material matter did NOT create itself, nor originate from itself. Modern science agrees with this, as one of their laws of physics says that material matter can neither be created nor destroyed, but only changes its state (liquid, solid, vapor, gas). Yet God created material matter, and He can destroy it. Man cannot.

This means Jesus actually declared the existence to two literal dimensions of existence, this material world of matter, and the world of Spirit where God and the angels dwell, behind an invisible veil. And God's creation originated from Him of the dimension of Spirit. Likewise, so did our 'spirit' and 'soul' that is attached to our flesh body.

In Ecclesiastes 12:5-7, Solomon mentioned the existence of a "silver cord" that attaches our flesh and our spirit together while alive on earth. When our flesh body dies he showed, the flesh goes back to the earthly elements where it came from, but our 'spirit' goes back to God Who gave it. That 'spirit' is not just some idea of a life force that is in all things. It is about each person's individual spirit with soul that God created us with, and placed in our flesh at conception.

And if you do a study in the Greek of The New Testament, you'll discover that the idea of the 'breath' is often associated with our 'spirit' and 'soul', but being separate from our flesh, just like Lord Jesus said.

 

[Davy]

And it shall come to pass in all the land,”
Says the Lord,
“That two-thirds in it shall be cut off and die,
But one-third shall be left in it:
Zech. 13:8
....

That 1/3 there represents Christ's faithful Church, not specifically Jews like you are trying to say.

 

[ewq1938]

No one here understands that ALL PEOPLE, who are without Christ, HAVE NOT ever been given any kind of a literal "soul" or "spirit" by God AT anytime!!

lol, false. All humans have soul and spirit and so do animals.

 

[amigo de christo]

That is a real simple answer .
Left behind , what to do .
WAIL . cause that is all they will be doing once the master of the HOUSE has risen up and closed the door .
ALL OUTSIDE shall wail .
I have an idea . PREACH JESUS , the dire NEED to act ually BELEIVE ON HIM .
The sheep wont go under the wrath OF GOD all mi ghty and of the LAMB .
But all left behind , OH THEY WILL WAIL and they shall wail , even beat and be beating upon the door .
BUT IT WILL NOT OPEN . Better we preach JESUS NOW , WHILE there still be THE TIME TO DO SO .
cause NO MAN knows the day or the hour THE LORD DO COME .
ALL outside shall wail on that day .

 

[amigo de christo]

lol, false. All humans have soul and spirit and so do animals.

all humans do have a soul indeed my friend .
But as for many their soul shall be cast into a fiery lake of fire .
But , dont get all scared and worried . THERE IS A SOLUTION . A WAY OUT .
HIS NAME BE JESUS THE CHRIST and BOY DO I highly suggest we st art POINTING ALL TO HIM .
Do be encouraged .

 

[Truth7t7]

We teach rev14:14 can not, and never will be the same thing as Jesus on a horse with millions of horses and saints blackening the sky in a war battle. (Ahem...the second coming of rev 19. Vs Jesus SITTING ON A CLOUD rev 14:14)

Your ENTIRE DOCTRINE blown apart by EVERY Pretrib verse.

No contest.
The fact that you, and every postribber denies the pile ashes that the bible leaves that doctrine in, is simply amazing.

You conveniently forgot to mention Verses 18-19 below "Why"? "Smiles"!

It's exactly the very same fire seen throughout scripture at the Lord's second coming Luke 17:29-30 being just one example, Jesus returns in fire (The End)

Revelation 14:18-19KJV
18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

(Destroyed Them All)

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

 

[Earburner]

You just don't know how wrong you are.

The blood, the flesh, are things of this MATERIAL WORLD OF MATTER. They are NOT spirit nor the soul.

Matt 10:28
28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him Which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.
KJV

By that Lord Jesus showed that we DO... have a 'soul' joined with our flesh body, and it continues to exist even after death of our flesh body.

Jesus said...

John 3:6
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
KJV

In the above He was not speaking metaphorically. He was speaking literally, about the differences with God's creation. Flesh is of earthly material matter, which also is the substance of the whole physical universe that is seen. But Spirit is another separate dimension of existence that is NOT made of material matter.

The following Hebrews 11:3 verse points out the existence of 2 separate and different dimensions of existence, and it is a very profound verse...

Heb 11:3
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
KJV

God spoke His Word, and the material universe came into existence. But from what substance did this material universe come into existence? From the substance of Spirit, of which God is (per John 4:24).

The part in 'red' means material matter did NOT create itself, nor originate from itself. Modern science agrees with this, as one of their laws of physics says that material matter can neither be created nor destroyed, but only changes its state (liquid, solid, vapor, gas). Yet God created material matter, and He can destroy it. Man cannot.

This means Jesus actually declared the existence to two literal dimensions of existence, this material world of matter, and the world of Spirit where God and the angels dwell, behind an invisible veil. And God's creation originated from Him of the dimension of Spirit. Likewise, so did our 'spirit' and 'soul' that is attached to our flesh body.

In Ecclesiastes 12:5-7, Solomon mentioned the existence of a "silver cord" that attaches our flesh and our spirit together while alive on earth. When our flesh body dies he showed, the flesh goes back to the earthly elements where it came from, but our 'spirit' goes back to God Who gave it. That 'spirit' is not just some idea of a life force that is in all things. It is about each person's individual spirit with soul that God created us with, and placed in our flesh at conception.

And if you do a study in the Greek of The New Testament, you'll discover that the idea of the 'breath' is often associated with our 'spirit' and 'soul', but being separate from our flesh, just like Lord Jesus said.

When you can understand KJV Gen. 2:7, then you will KNOW what KJV Lev. 17:11 is actually saying, and WHAT it was that God "breathed" into Adam, that MADE him to become a living soul,
Again.... Moses, the writer of Genesis, was never a student of Chemistry 101.
(Ref. my post #289).

Until You grasp what I am saying, you have no idea how the scriptures will be opened up to you, so that you can be delivered by the Holy Spirit from the vain religious teachings of "church-ianity".

Edit: the word "soul" is nothing more than a vague description of what mortal animal or human "LIFE" of conscious existence is.
(Ref. my posts #289, 297, 301, 304 and 305).

 

[Marvelloustime]

all humans do have a soul indeed my friend .
But as for many their soul shall be cast into a fiery lake of fire .
But , dont get all scared and worried . THERE IS A SOLUTION . A WAY OUT .
HIS NAME BE JESUS THE CHRIST and BOY DO I highly suggest we st art POINTING ALL TO HIM .
Do be encouraged .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

That is a real simple answer .
Left behind , what to do .
WAIL . cause that is all they will be doing once the master of the HOUSE has risen up and closed the door .
ALL OUTSIDE shall wail .
I have an idea . PREACH JESUS , the dire NEED to act ually BELEIVE ON HIM .
The sheep wont go under the wrath OF GOD all mi ghty and of the LAMB .
But all left behind , OH THEY WILL WAIL and they shall wail , even beat and be beating upon the door .
BUT IT WILL NOT OPEN . Better we preach JESUS NOW , WHILE there still be THE TIME TO DO SO .
cause NO MAN knows the day or the hour THE LORD DO COME .
ALL outside shall wail on that day .

@amigo de christo

 

[rebuilder 454]

You conveniently forgot to mention Verses 18-19 below "Why"? "Smiles"!

It's exactly the very same fire seen throughout scripture at the Lord's second coming Luke 17:29-30 being just one example, Jesus returns in fire (The End)

Revelation 14:18-19KJV
18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

(Destroyed Them All)

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

I 100% belive Jesus will return on a horse with millions of horses with saints mounted on them as seen in Rev 19.

Rev 14:14 is not and can not be that return of rev 19.
Impossible.

So the "one coming" fallacy is laid to rest?

Acts 1 " like manner" return is the "rapture coming" ( MAIN HARVEST)
Preceeded by FIRSTFRUITS JESUS.
( again , main harvest, grain harvest)

Rev 14 14 is JEWISH HARVEST.
Preceeded by FIRSTFRUIT JEWS.
( 144,000 OF THEM)
(Fruit harvest)

Firstfruit Jews is not nor can it be FIRSTFRUITS JESUS.