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[quietthinker]

because you asked and dont seem to know.

I asked if you understood what Jesus was saying.....not what you imagine I was saying.
Go back and check the posts.

 

[Dryhn]

Peter repented also and protested his love for Christ 3 times

Charcoal fire was present both times too!

Thks

So the same will also apply today to those who deny then repent :)
Tnks

 

[Davy]

What did I add? I simply interpret scripture in context, pointing out the contrasts and properly harmonizing scripture with scripture before reaching my conclusion on doctrine. It sounds to me like you have an ax to grind.

You added the false idea that OSAS is treated by 'some' as a license to sin, and that is what is false. That's like a backwards flip away from what OSAS is. If you are going to push the idea of OSAS, own up to what it means, a license to sin is exactly... what it means. And that... is adding a false idea to Bible Scripture.

 

[Davy]

....

Walking in the Spirit does not mean a Christian instantly reaches sinless perfection (1 John 1:8-10)....

I never said it did. And FYI, no one born in the flesh will EVER reach "sinless perfection". Perfection is NOT of the flesh. It is not what is saved, and that appears to be one of the errors in your thinking. It is the Occultists who follow the devil that think they can achieve perfection of their flesh. We as Christians are to be 'perfect' in the maturity sense, not the literal flesh sense, which is how Lord Jesus meant that "be ye therefore perfect." (Matt.5:48) If you had understand Paul in Romans 7 about the flesh you would have known this. Modern Bible translations steer away from Paul's Romans 7 teaching involving our flesh and its 'law of sin'.

but rather that sin no longer reigns as an unresisted lifestyle or bent of life. In 1 John 3:9, we read - No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

I guess I'll have to be blunt. You, nor anyone, except Jesus of Nazareth, The Christ, can be without sin in a flesh body. If you think you can, then you mistakenly exalt yourself as an equal to Lord Jesus Christ, and thus don't need Him as your Savior.

There does exist a group of Occultists that actually believe they can 'achieve' Christhood, and become their 'own'... Christ. They relegate Lord Jesus as just a prophet who attained The Christ Spirit, or Christ Consiousness and say that anyone can attune to The Christ Spirit and become their 'own' Christ! That... idea is what the false OSAS doctrine is bordering upon.

 

[Davy]

I said nothing about having difficulty with forgiving others. A good tyrant? You simply show that you may be suffering from a severe case of anti-OSAS derangement syndrome.

I'm not suffering from anything, as I don't keep or push that false OSAS doctrine, which you are.

It is a very, very evil doctrine, because its real basis is in Gnostism, as those are who believe they can be perfect in their flesh and sinless like Jesus Christ. Some call that a "Jesus Syndrome:", or "Christ Syndrome". That appears to be what your mind is bordering upon with following the false OSAS doctrine of the devil.

I've had that experience before (more than once) but I don't harbor unforgiveness towards these folks.

1 John 3:7-10 answers that question. Not all tongues are genuine. I know folks who attend Pentecostal churches who even admit that.

But you still did not get my point. My point is that you do not... really know what they believe in their heart, as we can only discern their fruit. Thus we are not to pass judgment before the time, as Lord Jesus will do that when He comes. We either try to help them, or leave them to Satan, like Paul's example in 1 Corinthians 5 with the member among the Corinthian Church that was having sexual intercourse with his mother.

 

[Davy]

I know multiple Christians in the OSAS camp who do not push a license to sin/license for immorality.

That is not the correct response, as it only skirts the actual meaning behind the OSAS false doctrine. You are adding... that license to sin idea thinking it is a relevant response when it is not. Apostle Paul was not talking any OSAS doctrine when he taught Romans 6 telling us to not allow sin to reign in our mortal body...

Rom 6:11-19
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Paul's use of "reckon" means to consider ourselves to be dead unto sin through Christ Jesus, not that it becomes absolute reality in the flesh by Faith in Jesus Christ. This is why in this Romans 6 Chapter

Paul is commanding us to not allow sin in our flesh, not that it is automatically established just by our belief in Jesus's death and resurrection. It still remains a choice with us, and that is how Paul meant with walking in The Spirit vs. walking by our flesh. I know NONE that are perfect in their flesh like Jesus was.

12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

"Let not" doesn't mean sin automatically stops with our flesh just by our Faith on Jesus Christ. But the false OSAS doctrine believes differently, that our first confession of Faith on Jesus Christ does 'automatically' wipe out all sin, past, present, and future sin. It does not, as Paul said our first Faith was for past sins up to that point of belief only.

13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

There it is again, Paul commands an 'action', for us TO NOT YIELD our flesh to sin, but unto God. There's that CONDITIONAL CHOICE again, that the believer can either yield their flesh to sin, or yield their flesh to God.

14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

That's an affirmation by Paul. It is CONDITIONAL. Paul says it as if it is already fact, but he is referring back to his 'reckon yourselves' idea at verse 11.


16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Once again Paul gives the CONDITION, this or that. OSAS doesn't do that. It claims the "obedience unto righteousness" is automatic with our first belief on Jesus Christ. No, it is not AUTOMATIC with our Faith. We MUST strive... to be perfect, strive to enter at the narrow gate.

17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

Once again, Paul shows to not be servants of sin one MUST ACT. They chose to not allow sin in their lives, which means they 'acted' on it, as it did not come automatically like OSAS wrongly teaches.

18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Again Paul makes an affirmation, which is a statement AS IF something has already taken place or been fulfilled, when literally it has not been completed yet. I refer to our future Salvation in Christ to our glorious bodies, which will be like Christ's body and without sin, completely, our "spiritual body".

19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
KJV

What happens if we do NOT... yield our fleshy members to righteousness unto holiness? We place ourselves back under the law, and no longer under Grace. But OSAS says differently, as it says Grace is active AUTOMATICALLY by Faith in Jesus Christ against ALL sin, past, present, and future!

 

[mailmandan]

You added the false idea that OSAS is treated by 'some' as a license to sin, and that is what is false. That's like a backwards flip away from what OSAS is. If you are going to push the idea of OSAS, own up to what it means, a license to sin is exactly... what it means. And that... is adding a false idea to Bible Scripture.

I strongly disagree with you. If you are accusing ALL Christians in the OSAS camp of promoting a license to sin, that would make you a false accuser of the brethren. The Bible talks about slander. Now in the book of Jude we read about a "license for immorality." Jude 1:4 - For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord. Yet these are NOT Christians.

Jude is exhorting believers to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints (vs. 3) because certain ungodly men have crept in unnoticed. Jude further describes these ungodly men as ones who cause divisions, worldly-minded, devoid of the Spirit. (vs. 19) In CONTRAST with those who are called, sanctified by God the Father, and PRESERVED in Jesus Christ. (vs. 1) Psalm 37:28 - For the Lord loves justice and does not forsake His saints; They are PRESERVED FOREVER, But the descendants of the wicked shall be cut off.

 

[mailmandan]

I never said it did. And FYI, no one born in the flesh will EVER reach "sinless perfection". Perfection is NOT of the flesh. It is not what is saved, and that appears to be one of the errors in your thinking. It is the Occultists who follow the devil that think they can achieve perfection of their flesh.

I do not error in regard to sinless perfection and those who believe they live a sinless, perfect life 24/7 (exactly as Jesus lived) are suffering from a terminal case of self righteousness. (1 John 1:8-10)

We as Christians are to be 'perfect' in the maturity sense, not the literal flesh sense, which is how Lord Jesus meant that "be ye therefore perfect." (Matt.5:48) If you had understand Paul in Romans 7 about the flesh you would have known this. Modern Bible translations steer away from Paul's Romans 7 teaching involving our flesh and its 'law of sin'.

I understand "perfect" in the maturity sense and not in the absolute perfection sense.

I guess I'll have to be blunt. You, nor anyone, except Jesus of Nazareth, The Christ, can be without sin in a flesh body. If you think you can, then you mistakenly exalt yourself as an equal to Lord Jesus Christ, and thus don't need Him as your Savior.

God forbid!

There does exist a group of Occultists that actually believe they can 'achieve' Christhood, and become their 'own'... Christ. They relegate Lord Jesus as just a prophet who attained The Christ Spirit, or Christ Consiousness and say that anyone can attune to The Christ Spirit and become their 'own' Christ! That... idea is what the false OSAS doctrine is bordering upon.

That group is obviously deceived and I have never met one Christian in the OSAS camp who would agree with that group of Occultists.

 

[mailmandan]

I'm not suffering from anything, as I don't keep or push that false OSAS doctrine, which you are.

I see all the classic signs that you are suffering from a severe case of anti-OSAS derangement syndrome.

It is a very, very evil doctrine, because its real basis is in Gnostism, as those are who believe they can be perfect in their flesh and sinless like Jesus Christ. Some call that a "Jesus Syndrome:", or "Christ Syndrome". That appears to be what your mind is bordering upon with following the false OSAS doctrine of the devil.

This is one of the signs that you are suffering from a severe case of anti-OSAS derangement syndrome. FALSE ACCUSATIONS against Christians in the OSAS camp. OSAS is only an evil doctrine IF one attaches a "license to sin/license for immorality" to it, which I don't. Just like NOSAS is only an evil doctrine when one attaches "salvation by works/works righteousness" to it.

But you still did not get my point. My point is that you do not... really know what they believe in their heart, as we can only discern their fruit.

Luke 6:45 - A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart brings forth evil. For out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks.

Thus we are not to pass judgment before the time, as Lord Jesus will do that when He comes.

So, why do you continue to pass judgment?

We either try to help them, or leave them to Satan, like Paul's example in 1 Corinthians 5 with the member among the Corinthian Church that was having sexual intercourse with his mother.

Was he left to Satan? In 1 Corinthians 5:1-5, we read about a man who has committed sexual immorality by having his father's wife, yet verse 5 says deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

 

[mailmandan]

That is not the correct response, as it only skirts the actual meaning behind the OSAS false doctrine.

Nothing seems to be a correct response according to your narrative.

You are adding... that license to sin idea thinking it is a relevant response when it is not. Apostle Paul was not talking any OSAS doctrine when he taught Romans 6 telling us to not allow sin to reign in our mortal body...

Rom 6:11-19
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Paul's use of "reckon" means to consider ourselves to be dead unto sin through Christ Jesus, not that it becomes absolute reality in the flesh by Faith in Jesus Christ. This is why in this Romans 6 Chapter

Paul is commanding us to not allow sin in our flesh, not that it is automatically established just by our belief in Jesus's death and resurrection. It still remains a choice with us, and that is how Paul meant with walking in The Spirit vs. walking by our flesh. I know NONE that are perfect in their flesh like Jesus was.

12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

"Let not" doesn't mean sin automatically stops with our flesh just by our Faith on Jesus Christ. But the false OSAS doctrine believes differently, that our first confession of Faith on Jesus Christ does 'automatically' wipe out all sin, past, present, and future sin. It does not, as Paul said our first Faith was for past sins up to that point of belief only.

It sounds to me like you teach "type 2 works salvation" or salvation by works at the back door. You seem to imply that faith in Jesus Christ is "insufficient" to save us completely, but only saves us "initially", then after that, you keep yourself saved based on your performance.

13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

There it is again, Paul commands an 'action', for us TO NOT YIELD our flesh to sin, but unto God. There's that CONDITIONAL CHOICE again, that the believer can either yield their flesh to sin, or yield their flesh to God.

Yes, there it is again. The implication from you that Christians in the OSAS will most certainly yield their members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin (because they promote a license to sin) and will lose their salvation. How do you interpret yield their flesh to God? Practice sin? (1 John 3:9) Or any sin at all?

14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

That's an affirmation by Paul. It is CONDITIONAL. Paul says it as if it is already fact, but he is referring back to his 'reckon yourselves' idea at verse 11.

Conditional confirmation.

16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Once again Paul gives the CONDITION, this or that. OSAS doesn't do that. It claims the "obedience unto righteousness" is automatic with our first belief on Jesus Christ. No, it is not AUTOMATIC with our Faith. We MUST strive... to be perfect, strive to enter at the narrow gate.

There it is again. Salvation by works at the back door. Works-salvationists tend to ignore "servants of obedience unto righteousness" (Romans 6:16) and simply stress “obedience unto righteousness" as if works of obedience which “follow” saving faith in Christ are unto righteousness, as if we are saved by works.

There is a contrast here between servants/slaves. There are only two kinds of servants/slaves in this world, in the spiritual sense; servants/slaves of sin unto death, or servants/slaves of obedience unto righteousness.

When we place our faith exclusively in Jesus Christ for salvation/believe the gospel by trusting in His finished work of redemption as the all sufficient means of our salvation, we then become "servants of obedience unto righteousness."

Being slaves of sin is put in the past tense. Paul goes on in Romans 6:18 - "You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness."

Notice in Romans 10:10 - For with the heart one believes unto righteousness..

Notice in Romans 4:5 - But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith (not works) is accounted for righteousness.

17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

Before they obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine, they had been slaves to sin. Being slaves of sin is put in the past tense. Paul goes on in Romans 6:18 - "You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness."

Elsewhere in scripture, we read:
Romans 10:16 - But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?”
1 Peter 1:22 - "Purified your souls in obeying the truth."
Acts 15:9 - "Purified their hearts by faith."

Once again, Paul shows to not be servants of sin one MUST ACT. They chose to not allow sin in their lives, which means they 'acted' on it, as it did not come automatically like OSAS wrongly teaches.

Of course, believers act on it and are not servants of sin. I don't teach that it comes automatically. More false accusations from you. More OSAS derangement syndrome. Sad.

CONTINUED..

 

[mailmandan]

18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

Again Paul makes an affirmation, which is a statement AS IF something has already taken place or been fulfilled, when literally it has not been completed yet. I refer to our future Salvation in Christ to our glorious bodies, which will be like Christ's body and without sin, completely, our "spiritual body".

19 I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness.
KJV

From beginning "have been saved through faith" (Ephesians 2:8) to end "receiving the end of your faith--the salvation of your souls (1 Peter 1:9) salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works. Don't confuse justification with glorification.

What happens if we do NOT... yield our fleshy members to righteousness unto holiness? We place ourselves back under the law, and no longer under Grace. But OSAS says differently, as it says Grace is active AUTOMATICALLY by Faith in Jesus Christ against ALL sin, past, present, and future!

If we do NOT then we demonstrate that we have not been saved in the first place. 1 John 3:7 - Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; 8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.

Romans 6:19 - I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification. Just as we read in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, we read - Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

OSAS simply means Once Saved Always Saved. You make OSAS say what you want it to say in order to fit your narrative. Do you believe that faith in Jesus Christ is only good for past sins but not for present and future sins? Christ's finished work of redemption is the object of our faith and Christ's finished work of redemption is sufficient and complete to save believers. No supplements needed. (Romans 3:24-26)
Acts 13:38 - Therefore, let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins; 39 and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.

 

[mailmandan]

All you're doing is adding... to the Scripture ideas where they do not exist...

*You never did answer my question: If you were standing at the gates of heaven at this very moment and Jesus Christ asked you why He should let you into heaven, what would be your exact answer? Your answer to this question will demonstrate exactly what you have placed your faith in for salvation.

 

[mailmandan]

Romans 6 does not teach that salvation can be lost. Believers have already been "set free from sin" (Romans 6:18) and are "slaves to righteousness." (Romans 6:18) It is an exhortation to live in the reality of that new life, not a warning that one can forfeit it. Count yourselves dead to sin is a call to live out the truth of our position in Christ, not a conditional threat of losing it Romans 6 is about living in grace, not about losing it. The "death to sin" Paul describes is a spiritual reality and not a legalistic warning of forfeiture. The believer’s security is grounded in Christ’s finished work of redemption, not in personal performance. In short: Romans 6 does not teach that a Christian can lose salvation. It teaches that those who are in Christ are dead to sin and alive to Christ and should live in that reality daily.

 

[faithhopecharity]

Bible Gateway passage: John 10 - New King James Version

Jesus the True Shepherd - “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door, but climbs up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear his voice; and he...

www.biblegateway.com

'Ownership', Christ owns the sheep

11 “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep. 12 But a [b]hireling, he who is not the shepherd, one who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees; and the wolf catches the sheep and scatters them. 13 The hireling flees because he is a hireling and does not care about the sheep.

14 I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own.

15 As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.

16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.

1 Corinthians 6:19-20
Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s.

That’s why apostasy and rejecting Christ are so terrible!

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer with Him, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

1 Timothy 5:12
Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.

Thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

When we receive the initial grace of justification we have union with God in Christ thru grace and the spirit! Amen?

We can lose this grace and return to spiritual death by serious sin! Amen?

Thks

You don’t think so?

Mt 25:30
Eph 5:2-6
gal 5:1-4
gal 5:19-21
gal 6:7-8
1 cor 6:9-10 & 15-20
2 cor 4:7
1 tim 5:12
rev 21:8
rev 21:27
rom 8:1
can lose grace gal 5:4
can have grace in vain 1 cor 15:10
treasure in earthen vessels 2 cor 4:7 fragile can be lost
1 Jn 3:15 no life (grace)

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

SHALL NOT ENTER THE KINGDOM!

Thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

So the same will also apply today to those who deny then repent :)
Tnks

We can always repent and confess in this life

1 Jn 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.


1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Thks

 

[mailmandan]

That’s why apostasy and rejecting Christ are so terrible!

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer with Him, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

1 Timothy 5:12
Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.

Thks

In regard to 2 Timothy 2:12, we see a contrast with, "if we died with Him, we shall also live with Him. If we endure, we shall also reign with Him -- AND -- If we deny Him, He also will deny us. If we are faithless, He remains faithful; He cannot deny Himself.

"By contrast, the latter "deny Him and faithless" points to the opposite of died with Him, endure and reign with Him. To "deny him" does not point merely to a temporary weakness of faith, as in the case of Peter who denied Jesus three times during a moment of weakness (Luke 22:54-62) but is referring to life in its entirety. The inevitable result is that "He will also deny us."

The warning is repeated in the final sentence, "if we are faithless, he abides faithful." To be "faithless" is in the present tense and denotes this as the habitual attitude, not a temporary lapse of faith. But in contrast to human faithlessness, "He remains faithful," faithful to His word and righteous character and His warning that unbelievers will be rejected.

You need to read 1 Timothy 5:12 in context. Ntice the contrast between verse 5, "Now she who is really a widow, and left alone, trusts in God and continues in supplications and prayers night and day" and verse 6, "But she who lives in pleasure is dead while she lives. This means dead (spiritually) while living (physically). Paul said in verse 6, But she who lives in pleasure is dead while she lives. He also said in verse 11, But refuse to put younger widows on the list, for when they feel sensual desires in disregard of Christ, they want to get married. "Lives in pleasure," "sensual desires." 12 thus incurring condemnation, because they have set aside their previous pledge.

 

[mailmandan]

We can always repent and confess in this life

1 Jn 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

In 1 John 1:6 - If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7 But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin.

Children of God walk in the light, not in darkness. IF confirms (conditional confirmation) these positions in verses 6 and 7. It's one or the other.

In 1 John 2:9, we read - He who says he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness until now. In vs. 11 - But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes.

*Compare with 1 John 3:10 - In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, (compare with 1 John 1:6 - does not practice the truth) nor is he who does not love his brother.

*Notice that walks in darkness, hates his brother is DESCRIPTIVE of children of the devil. *HERMENEUTICS.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Thks

Now in regard to 1 John 1:9, notice that - "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness" (1 John 1:9) is in contrast to - If we say that we have no sin, (present tense) we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us (1 John 1:8) and - If we say that we have not sinned, (past tense) we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. (1 John 1:10)

I've heard certain folks interpret verse 9 to mean that we "must confess each and every sin that we commit as we commit them" (keep a specific inventory of every sin we have ever committed) as an "additional requirement" to "remain cleansed" and "if we forget a sin we are toast!" Who could actually write an exhaustive list of every sin they have ever committed or ever will commit? Sin is not only missing the mark by what we do but also what we fail to do. (James 4:17)

Believers "confess" (Greek - homologeó) speak the same/acknowledge/agree with God's perspective about their sins and have a settled recognition and ongoing acknowledgment that one is a sinner in need of cleansing and forgiveness in contrast with saying that we have no sin or that we have not sinned. (1 John 1:8-10)

 

[LoveYeshua]

From beginning "have been saved through faith" (Ephesians 2:8) to end "receiving the end of your faith--the salvation of your souls (1 Peter 1:9) salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works. Don't confuse justification with glorification.

If we do NOT then we demonstrate that we have not been saved in the first place. 1 John 3:7 - Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; 8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.

Romans 6:19 - I am speaking in human terms, because of your natural limitations. For just as you once presented your members as slaves to impurity and to lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves to righteousness leading to sanctification. Just as we read in 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, we read - Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

OSAS simply means Once Saved Always Saved. You make OSAS say what you want it to say in order to fit your narrative. Do you believe that faith in Jesus Christ is only good for past sins but not for present and future sins? Christ's finished work of redemption is the object of our faith and Christ's finished work of redemption is sufficient and complete to save believers. No supplements needed. (Romans 3:24-26)
Acts 13:38 - Therefore, let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins; 39 and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Dan, who decides if anyone is saved? when does this happen? can you answer these 2 with scripture?

 

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Dan, who decides if anyone is saved? when does this happen? can you answer these 2 with scripture?

Only God can infallibly decide who is saved. Only God infallibly knows the hearts of all mankind. The Gospel is offered to all, and each person is genuinely called to respond in faith. (Acts 15:7-9) While God decides who is saved, the invitation is open to everyone (Romans 1:16) and rejection of that invitation is a real and accountable choice. (2 Corinthians 4:3,4)