Let's discuss..cessation after death?
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Yes, you misunderstood. I don’t think the lake of fire and the outer darkness are the same place. Hell is cast into the lake of fire in the end but…it doesn’t say the outer darkness is cast there.
Here I agree, few will be saved then there is the elect and remnant..but I don't want to deviate.
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J.
Not making a distinction between what is holy and what is not, a huge hindrance to us.
From my understanding, I think this came from the Targum of Jonathan, if I remember rightly, the Hebrew idea of "the worm" there is "that which remains of a man whom God has destroyed".
Jesus, from the cross, "but I am a worm, and not a man". (Psalm 22)
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I have to go back and see what I might have missed. Got fast in here, lol.
Yeah, bullets for bullets, since our warfare is not against flesh and blood...we are shooting each other with "scripture" bullets.
I think the true ekklesia has gone underground, Satan and his minions don't have to do a thing since this world is doing a fine job as "believers" against "believers" are culling each other.
I think this forum should open a chat-room where people can at least see each other.
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J.
With so many churning through the same faulty arguments, copying from the same commentaries, indulging in the same personal comments . . . it's as slow day - aren't they all now? - so I'm reading through, there are little gems here and there, I try to add what I feel I maybe can, but who is actually going to hear a contrary argument and truly consider it?
I occasionally see a good point here and there. @David H. has, I think, given the most conclusive answer to the seemingly unanswerable question, was man made to live without end? Sin brought death. No sin, no death, man remains alive, without end. So Man was created to do that.
@Johann gave perhaps the best response to the statement of Ecclessiates, "a greater than Soloman is here".
For the most part, I think people tackle this subject from the wrong vantage point, using for the meaning of "death" cessation, which is not supportable from the Bible. Death is separation. This is the meaning that is true in every place the word appears.
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I see it more like one man takes some scriptures and jumps into a ditch and another man takes the scriptures that are in tension to his scriptures and jumps into the ditch on the other side of the road. But a rare unindoctrinated man walks in the middle of the road and manages to not fall in either ditch because he has understood the tension.
I would. Is that really how you want to be seen, as that man's face?
Anyway, no skin of my nose . . .
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Would man have lived forever had not sin came in? Is that an uncomfortable question?
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Would man have lived forever had not sin came in? Is that an uncomfortable question?
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Maybe. Adam was covered and he was innocent and he had not offended God. But he had not yet eaten from the tree of eternal life. God didn’t leave that option after he fell. But are we now talking about Adam who was created in Gods image or are we talking of Adams offspring after his fall who were born in adams image?
This is what I feel is one of the stronger evidences for the eternal suffering of the wicked, that the exact same language is used to describe the eternal life of the righteous, and the eternal punishment of the wicked.
That it is eternal punishment is shown in Matthew 25,
Matthew 25:46 KJV
46) And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
The word translated here Punishment is used one other time, "fear has torment". That is not destruction or a cessation of existence. In fact cessation of existence would render that Scripture false.
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Consistency, honesty, straightforward communication, these mean a lot to me.
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I think looking at topics like this can challenge how we read the Bible, and how we "re-interpret it" in our minds. Like we read one thing, but by the time it hits our comprehension it's already something else more in keeping with our preferences or previous errors.
I feel like it's important to be able to come to any passage of Scripture "fresh", to just read it for what it says, and understand it all over again. I find sometimes that new understandings come as I find a word here or there that I've failed to give a full significant to. A topic like this, the reason we have different views is for that reason. We each find different parts that we feel make the most conclusive statements, but they are different, so we have different views. This is a reflection of our different hermeneutics.
So to me a key value of this sort of discussion is that we can reexamine our hermeneutical foundations, and make sure what we are thinking is what God is saying.
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I thought he chose the picture because of - Therefore I run in such a way as not to run aimlessly; I box in such a way, as to avoid hitting air;
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