Let's examine Revelation 20:4 yet again.

[Scott Downey]

The following passage, for one, supports that. But what does that have to do with satan being bound a thousand years?

2 Corinthians 4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.
6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.


Yet I wonder if some interpreters fully understand that passage? I only quoted verse 3-7, yet verses 8-18 are to be considered as well in order to better grasp what is being taught here.

In the verses above, this comes first--the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not. The remedy is then this---the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. Except that does the lost no good if this is the case---if our gospel be hid. Therefore, satan doesn't need to be bound in order to spread the gospel of Christ. Our gospel needs to not be hidden in order to spread the gospel of Christ.

Therefore, the saved have the responsibility for spreading the gospel of Christ. satan isn't bound so that the gospel of Christ can spread. Obviously, satan is not bound when he is blinding the minds of those that believe not. How does that make sense that satan is bound so that he can't prevent the spread of the gospel of Christ, while he continues to blind the minds of those that believe not?

You're not considering the calling of God

Who is blinded and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed?
Where do we get divine revelation that goes down deep into our soul from?
Not from men.
Origin is from God, the Father of Lights.

James 1:17
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

John 3
26 And they came unto John and said unto him, “Rabbi, He that was with thee beyond the Jordan, to whom thou bearest witness — behold, the same baptizeth and all men come to Him.”

27 John answered and said, “A man can receive nothing, unless it be given him from Heaven.

Romans 11

I ask then: Hath God cast away His people? God forbid! For I also am an Israelite of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 God hath not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Know ye not what the Scripture saith of Elijah, how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,

3 “Lord, they have killed Thy prophets and torn down Thine altars, and I am left alone and they seek my life”?

4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? “I have reserved to Myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.”

5 Even so then, at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it be by works, then it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded,

8 according as it is written: “God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear, unto this day.”

9 And David saith, “Let their table be made a snare and a trap, a stumbling block and a recompense unto them.

10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their backs alway.”

 

[Scott Downey]

Job 32:8
But there is a spirit in man, and the inspiration of the Almighty giveth them understanding.

Job 17

1 My spirit is spent, my days are extinct, the grave is ready for me.

2 Are there not mockers with me? And doth not mine eye continue in their provocation?

3 “Lay it down now, give me a surety with Thee. Who is he that will strike hands with me?

4 For Thou hast hid their heart from understanding; therefore shalt Thou not exalt them.

5 He that speaketh flattery to his friends, even the eyes of his children shall fail.


1 John 5:20
And we know that the Son of God is come and hath given us an understanding, that we may know Him that is true; and we are in Him that is true, even in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and Eternal Life.

 

[David in NJ]

You're not considering the calling of God

Who is blinded and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed?
Where do we get divine revelation that goes down deep into our soul from?
Not from men.
Origin is from God, the Father of Lights.

James 1:17
Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.

John 3
26 And they came unto John and said unto him, “Rabbi, He that was with thee beyond the Jordan, to whom thou bearest witness — behold, the same baptizeth and all men come to Him.”

27 John answered and said, “A man can receive nothing, unless it be given him from Heaven.

Romans 11

I ask then: Hath God cast away His people? God forbid! For I also am an Israelite of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.

2 God hath not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Know ye not what the Scripture saith of Elijah, how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,

3 “Lord, they have killed Thy prophets and torn down Thine altars, and I am left alone and they seek my life”?

4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? “I have reserved to Myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.”

5 Even so then, at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

6 And if by grace, then it is no longer by works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it be by works, then it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded,

8 according as it is written: “God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear, unto this day.”

9 And David saith, “Let their table be made a snare and a trap, a stumbling block and a recompense unto them.

10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their backs alway.”

Always apply what you posted and then your understanding will increase

 

[Scott Downey]

Bible Gateway passage: Mark 4 - 21st Century King James Version

And He began again to teach by the seaside. And there was gathered unto Him a great multitude, so that He entered into a boat and sat in it on the sea; and the whole multitude was by the sea on the land. And He taught them many things by parables, and said unto them in His doctrine: "Hearken...

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9 And He said unto them, “He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.”

10 And when He was alone, those who were about Him with the twelve asked Him about the parable.

11 And He said unto them, “Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the Kingdom of God; but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables,

12 that, ‘seeing they may see, and not perceive, and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted and their sins should be forgiven them.’”

Bible Gateway passage: John 12 - 21st Century King James Version

Then Jesus, six days before the Passover, came to Bethany where Lazarus was, who had been dead and whom He had raised from the dead. There they made Him a supper; and Martha served, but Lazarus was one of those who sat at the table with Him. Then Mary took a pound of ointment of spikenard, very...

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35 Then Jesus said unto them, “Yet a little while is the Light with you. Walk while ye have the Light, lest darkness come upon you; for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth.

36 While ye have Light, believe in the Light, that ye may be the children of Light.” These things spoke Jesus, and departed and hid Himself from them.

37 But though He had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not in Him,

38 that the saying of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spoke: “Lord, who hath believed our report? And to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?”

39 Therefore they could not believe, because as Isaiah said again:

40 “He hath blinded their eyes and hardened their heart, that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.”

41 These things said Isaiah when he saw His glory and spoke of Him.

42 Nevertheless, among the chief rulers also, many believed in Him, but because of the Pharisees they did not confess Him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue;

43 for they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.

44 Jesus cried out and said, “He that believeth in Me, believeth not in Me, but in Him that sent Me.

45 And he that seeth Me, seeth Him that sent Me.

46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth in Me should not abide in darkness.

47 And if any man hear My words and believe not, I judge him not; for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

48 He that rejecteth Me and receiveth not My words, hath One that judgeth him; the Word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the Last Day.

49 For I have not spoken of Myself; but the Father who sent Me, He gave Me a commandment, what I should say and what I should speak.

50 And I know that His commandment is life everlasting. Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto Me, so I speak.”

Bible Gateway passage: John 1:13-15 - 21st Century King James Version

who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only Begotten of the Father), full of grace and truth. John bore witness of Him and cried, saying, "This was...

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14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only Begotten of the Father), full of grace and truth.

15 John bore witness of Him and cried, saying, “This was He of whom I spoke, ‘He that cometh after me is preferred before me, for He was before me.’”

 

[WPM]

Trillions of angels were created by GOD = all with purpose as well as having differing ranks of authority

The "destroying angel" of Exodus ch12 is NOT Satan = crystal clear

Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, “This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons.”

But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: “Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand.
If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand?

Beginning in Revelation chapter 2, the LORD is very specific = Satan is free on earth to Rule

And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write,
‘These things says He who has the sharp two-edged sword:
“I know your works, and where you dwell, where Satan’s throne is.
And you hold fast to My name, and did not deny My faith even in the days in which Antipas was My faithful martyr,
who was killed among you, where Satan dwells.

In all of Scripture from Genesis to Revelation, Satan remains as "god of this world/Age" and "roams about seeking who he may devour"
Only when the LORD Returns, is Satan locked up = Gospel, 1st & 2nd Thess, Rev chapters 19-20

You did not support either claim.

 

[David in NJ]

You did not support either claim.

@Scott Downey did it for me

thank you Scott

 

[WPM]

@Scott Downey did it for me

thank you Scott

Where does it say a cherubim is "the highest created angel of his type"?

Satan is NOT the Destroyer

How is he "not the destroyer"?

 

[David in NJ]

Where does it say a cherubim is "the highest created angel of his type"?


How is he "not the destroyer"?

Again the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 12“Son of man, take up a lament for the king of Tyre and tell him that this is what the Lord GOD says:

‘You were the seal of perfection,

full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.

13You were in Eden,
the garden of God.
Every kind of precious stone adorned you:
ruby, topaz, and diamond,
beryl, onyx, and jasper,
sapphire, turquoise, and emerald.
Your mountings and settings were crafted in gold,
prepared on the day of your creation.
14You were anointed as a guardian cherub,
for I had ordained you.
You were on the holy mountain of God;
you walked among the fiery stones.
15From the day you were created
you were blameless in your ways—
until wickedness was found in you.

 

[WPM]

Again the word of the LORD came to me, saying, 12“Son of man, take up a lament for the king of Tyre and tell him that this is what the Lord GOD says:

‘You were the seal of perfection,

full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.

13You were in Eden,
the garden of God.
Every kind of precious stone adorned you:
ruby, topaz, and diamond,
beryl, onyx, and jasper,
sapphire, turquoise, and emerald.
Your mountings and settings were crafted in gold,
prepared on the day of your creation.
14You were anointed as a guardian cherub,
for I had ordained you.
You were on the holy mountain of God;
you walked among the fiery stones.
15From the day you were created
you were blameless in your ways—
until wickedness was found in you.

That is not saying what you are saying. Stop avoiding.

 

[David in NJ]

That is not saying what you are saying. Stop avoiding.

Stop avoiding the Word of GOD

 

[WPM]

Stop avoiding the Word of GOD

You have nothing. You make it up as you go.

1. Where does it say there are trillions of angels?
2. Where does it say a cherubim is "the highest created angel of his type"?
3. Where does it say Satan is not a destroyer?

 

[David in NJ]

You have nothing. You make it up as you go.

1. Where does it say there are trillions of angels?
2. Where does it say a cherubim is "the highest created angel of his type"?
3. Where does it say Satan is not a destroyer?

Pray, read, study, pray and wait on the Lord.

It takes time and devotion unto the LORD = Matt 4:4

 

[WPM]

Pray, read, study, pray and wait on the Lord.

It takes time and devotion unto the LORD = Matt 4:4

You have nothing to back up your claims. You think, if you say a thing, then that makes it a fact. That is not the way it works. "He who alleges must prove." That is the first principle of evidence.

 

[David in NJ]

You have nothing to back up your claims. You think, if you say a thing, then that makes it a fact. That is not the way it works. "He who alleges must prove." That is the first principle of evidence.

He who believes the words of GOD gains understanding.

Go back and read the scriptures posted from @Scott Downey

 

[ewq1938]

The Destroyer is a separate angel, just as Michael, Gabriel are separate angels

Satan is a cherubim = the highest created angel of his type = Satan is NOT the Destroyer

Sure he is:

Satan isn't a personal name although we do use it in that way. All the "names" he has are really just descriptions of who he is morally. The word satan means adversary, devil means accuser, Apollyon means destroyer and Abaddon means destruction, dragon means a great serpent and serpent is just serpent implying deception and danger. When these are read in context it is always the one we call "Satan". They are not different beings in context.


Barnes:
Whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon - The name Abaddon means literally “destruction,” and is the same as Apollyon.

Clarke:
Abaddon - From ??? abad, he destroyed.
Apollyon - From ap?, intensive, and ?????, to destroy. The meaning is the same both in the Hebrew and Greek.

Gill:
whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon; both which signify a "destroyer"



apollyon means destroyer

Joh_10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Satan is the thief who wants to destroy just as the word Apollyon means to destroy.

Abaddon means destruction

1Co_5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Here Satan does cause destruction. To destroy or cause destruction is the same concept behind the meaning of the names Apollyon and Abaddon.

 

[David in NJ]

Sure he is:

Satan isn't a personal name although we do use it in that way. All the "names" he has are really just descriptions of who he is morally. The word satan means adversary, devil means accuser, Apollyon means destroyer and Abaddon means destruction, dragon means a great serpent and serpent is just serpent implying deception and danger. When these are read in context it is always the one we call "Satan". They are not different beings in context.


Barnes:
Whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon - The name Abaddon means literally “destruction,” and is the same as Apollyon.

Clarke:
Abaddon - From ??? abad, he destroyed.
Apollyon - From ap?, intensive, and ?????, to destroy. The meaning is the same both in the Hebrew and Greek.

Gill:
whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon; both which signify a "destroyer"



apollyon means destroyer

Joh_10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Satan is the thief who wants to destroy just as the word Apollyon means to destroy.

Abaddon means destruction

1Co_5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Here Satan does cause destruction. To destroy or cause destruction is the same concept behind the meaning of the names Apollyon and Abaddon.

ALL fallen angels and demons cause "destruction"

When JESUS speaks of Satan as the thief, liar and to come to destroy, HE is pointing to the Garden of Eden where it all Began and thru whom it all Began = "he was a murderer and a liar from the Beginning"

Michael is not Gabriel
Gabriel is not Michael
Satan is not Abbadon
Abbadon is not Satan

Then the fifth angel sounded: And I saw a star fallen from heaven to the earth. To him was given the key to the bottomless pit.
This is a different angel who is reserved for this specified purpose in Revelation chapter 9
Scripture never ties Apollyon as Satan = thus Revelation chapter 2 and chapter 12 where Satan has yet to be cast to earth with all the angels who belong to him.

ALL fallen angels and demons cause "destruction", lies, theft, bondage, sorrow and death.

NOTICE the very scripture you posted of "being turned over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh"
Because Satan is not Apollyon and the OT references of Abaddon are speaking of the grave/pit/darkness
The Holy Spirit could of introduced Apollyon at this juncture(Paul) but HE did not since this specific angel is reserved for the fulfillment of Revelation ch9.

The word Apollyon does not appear elsewhere in the Bible, although similar words appear often. However, Abaddon appears several times, for example in Job 26:6 and Job 31:12. There, the meaning seems to be hell.

GOD is SPECIFIC as to who Satan is just as JESUS was which i included prior = John 8:44 = Gen ch3 = Rev 20:1-3

Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven with the key to the Abyss, holding in his hand a great chain. He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years.

NOTICE - GOD does not include the name "Apollyon" with "the devil and Satan"

 

[ewq1938]

ALL fallen angels and demons cause "destruction"

Joh_10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Who is the thief here?

 

[David in NJ]

Joh_10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.

Who is the thief here?

EXACTLY the point made by JESUS in John 8:44

JESUS is always directing us back to Genesis

There is no Apollyon in Genesis

The Serpent is in Genesis and he is identified by JESUS in the Gospel as Satan and in Revelation 20:1-3

All fallen angels and demons are liars, thieves that have come to ensare, kill and destroy.

IMO = Apollyon is a specific angel with a specific task in Revelation ch9

i have searched the scriptures in my mind/knowledge base of 40 years and i will also give more study in the scriptures on this.

After prayer and study and prayer, if the Holy Spirit quickens me to Apollyon being Satan, i will come back to you and say = Thank You Brother

i wish all brothers/sisters in Christ would do the same

 

[ewq1938]

After prayer and study and prayer, if the Holy Spirit quickens me to Apollyon being Satan, i will come back to you and say = Thank You Brother

You didn't answer who the thief is that wants to destroy. It's satan. satan wants to destroy so naturally he is the destroyer. satan has many names and titles, and Apollyon and Abaddon are just two out of many. None of satan's angels are ever named IMO.

 

[David in NJ]

You didn't answer who the thief is that wants to destroy. It's satan. satan wants to destroy so naturally he is the destroyer. satan has many names and titles, and Apollyon and Abaddon are just two out of many. None of satan's angels are ever named IMO.

#1 = i DID answer = here it is again

EXACTLY the point made by JESUS in John 8:44
JESUS is always directing us back to Genesis
There is no Apollyon in Genesis = only the Serpent who is Satan

None of satan's angels are ever named IMO.

When he saw Jesus from afar, he ran and worshiped Him. And he cried out with a loud voice and said, “What have I to do with You, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I imploreYou by God that You do not torment me.”

For He said to him, “Come out of the man, unclean spirit!” Then JESUS asked him, “What is your name?”

And he answered, saying, “My name is Legion; for we are many. - Mark 5:6-10


i will study with prayer and if the Holy Spirit instructs me that you assessment is correct = i will say THANK YOU my Brother