Let's examine Revelation 20:4 yet again.

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mailmandan

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You beat me to it because i was watching the NFL Playoffs
Did you watch the Brincos/Bills game? The refs cost the Bills that game.


Bills defensive lineman calls Sean McDermott's firing 'sickening'

 
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It does not say that.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

This day of the Lord, in the next couple verses called the day of God, is not the second coming but a special day God does something BIG, which is the burning of the old Earth and Heaven, and the creation of the NHNE. It happens AFTER the GWTJ, Rev 21:1. Neither satan nor any of the unsaved exist on the new Earth which means they are all in the LOF before the old is burned and replaced by the new.

Terms like "day of the Lord" or similar are not solely used for the second coming, but are used any time God does something noteworthy.
This is the kind of "reasoning" futurists have to do to try and make the scripture fit their doctrine. The context of 2 Peter 3 is clearly the "promise of His coming".....and to account the thousand years is as a day of God's longsuffering as salvation. Which is the age we are in now.
 

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This is the kind of "reasoning" futurists have to do to try and make the scripture fit their doctrine. The context of 2 Peter 3 is clearly the "promise of His coming".....and to account the thousand years is as a day of God's longsuffering as salvation. Which is the age we are in now.

As I said, the day of the Lord is not solely used for the second coming and chapters can and do have multiple contexts. Also, John saw the NHNE after the GWTJ and not at the second coming so all evidence shows the destruction of the HandE as not happening at the second coming. Even the Amill second coming is before the GWTJ and there is no destruction of the Earth there.
 

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As I said, the day of the Lord is not solely used for the second coming and chapters can and do have multiple contexts. Also, John saw the NHNE after the GWTJ and not at the second coming so all evidence shows the destruction of the HandE as not happening at the second coming. Even the Amill second coming is before the GWTJ and there is no destruction of the Earth there.
CONTEXT of that whole passage is clearly given: 2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

I could point out more but will leave it at that. We need to look at that whole passage with fresh eyes, not through the lens of any preconception.
 

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The Greek New Testament uses the word psychḗ (or psuche, pronounced sue-kay) interchangeably for

(a) the soul.
(b) the mind
(c) the (temporal) life of the person for example:
So the soul can eat, die, laugh sleep etc etc.

Your post only proved those verses stated earlier.

You have nothing in you which is eternal!
 

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Did you watch the Brincos/Bills game? The refs cost the Bills that game.


Bills defensive lineman calls Sean McDermott's firing 'sickening'


The NFL has an agenda of who they want to win.
They will turn a 'blind eye' in a close game - and YES, the BILLS WON that Game but LOST to the REFS

McDermott was doing great as HC for the Bills
 
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NOT BEFORE THE L-I-F-E [ZOE] THAT THEY HAVE BEEN G-I-V-E-N IN CHRIST (who alone possesses that life in Himself) HAS QUICKENED THEIR D-E-A-D BODIES AND THEY HAVE R-I-S-E-N FROM THE D-E-A-D AND ARE A-L-I-V-E [ZAO] again.
Last week we lost our beloved 'Ginger' = a 14 year old Shepherd Corso mix = 110lbs of pure muscle

We brought home a new puppy today = a Mastiff Shepherd mix

My son wanted to name her 'Zoe' as she came from a Brother in the LORD who played christian music to the puppies and read the bible to them.

Since my son has a dog, this time it was for me to name her = Kyra

'Kyra' means Throne

SHALOM and Good Nite my Brother in CHRIST
 
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David in NJ

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It does not say that.

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. 11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, 12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

This day of the Lord, in the next couple verses called the day of God, is not the second coming but a special day God does something BIG, which is the burning of the old Earth and Heaven, and the creation of the NHNE. It happens AFTER the GWTJ, Rev 21:1. Neither satan nor any of the unsaved exist on the new Earth which means they are all in the LOF before the old is burned and replaced by the new.

Terms like "day of the Lord" or similar are not solely used for the second coming, but are used any time God does something noteworthy.
YEP
 
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Did you watch the Brincos/Bills game? The refs cost the Bills that game.


Bills defensive lineman calls Sean McDermott's firing 'sickening'

Did you SEE that 'one handed catch' full speed running in the End Zone by the Patriots Boutte???
 
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CONTEXT of that whole passage is clearly given: 2Pe 3:4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

I could point out more but will leave it at that. We need to look at that whole passage with fresh eyes, not through the lens of any preconception.


You ignored all the points I made. So much for any concept of "not through the lens of any preconception".
 
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You ignored all the points I made. So much for any concept of "not through the lens of any preconception".
Not ignoring....just making the point that you are disconnecting that verse of the "day of God" from the context of the whole passage to try and make it fit your belief, rather than just letting it say what it says. Revelation needs to be understood from a foundation of all the scriptures that came before it, rather than that we work backwards from Revelation to try to make the earlier scrips try to fit how the modern church is seeing Rev from a "dispensationalist" point of view. Try to look at 2 Peter 3 with fresh eyes, without any reference to Rev......Rev hadn't been written yet when 2Peter 3 was written (and 2Peter 3 agrees with the even earlier scrips of the old testament as it even mentions at the beginning of the passage). Though I can't as yet parse (rightly divide) everything that is written in Revelation I'm thoroughly convinced and often see in various places that if/when Revelation is understood properly it reiterates and doesn't contradict the earlier scriptures.

Rev 16:12-16

And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.


There above we see another reference to the day of God….and it is tied in with the beast and false prophet and Jesus coming as a thief and the final battle……..those things do not happen at the end of a future literal 1000 year reign, but at the end of this age.

Just think and consider (with fresh objective eyes and putting Rev aside for a moment), in 2 Peter 3, what need have we to look for and haste unto the coming of a future day of God a thousand years after we've already gone to be with the Lord? And why would we need to heed what manner of persons we ought to be if the world burns up a thousand years after we have died and been resurrected or raptured to be with the Lord? Are we being told to heed what manner of persons ought we to be after we've gone to be with the Lord, or in this life and this age now?

2Pe 3:10-12

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
 

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You ignored all the points I made. So much for any concept of "not through the lens of any preconception".
Pardon me, I did forgot to post this regarding the GWTJ.

2Ti 4:1
I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom:

Do you place the appearing of Christ at the end of a future thousand year reign?
 

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Hm, yes i did forget to address something as it turns out. Getting old.

Since you're here, maybe you have an explanation for why the church is being admonished in 2 Peter 3 to look for and haste a Day of God that occurs a thousand years after the church has gone to be with the Lord. Are we being told to look for and haste that day from heaven? And why according to the theory of a future thousand year reign with the day of God at the end of it, we're being admonished as to what manner of persons we ought to be during those thousand years of being with the Lord....? Kind of moot if we're already in heaven with the Lord. It just doesn't hold water.
 
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Hm, yes i did forget to address something as it turns out. Getting old.

Since you're here, maybe you have an explanation for why the church is being admonished in 2 Peter 3 to look for and haste a Day of God that occurs a thousand years after the church has gone to be with the Lord. Are we being told to look for and haste that day from heaven? And why according to the theory of a future thousand year reign with the day of God at the end of it, we're being admonished as to what manner of persons we ought to be during those thousand years of being with the Lord....? Kind of moot if we're already in heaven with the Lord. It just doesn't hold water.
Good Morning my Sister in Christ,

Will joyfully respond in a bit = we just got a new puppy as our beloved 14 year old Shepherd mix died.
 
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Good Morning my Sister in Christ,

Will joyfully respond in a bit = we just got a new puppy as our beloved 14 year old Shepherd mix died.
Sorry to hear about your former pet, brother, death is an awful thing. Enjoy your new puppy....they are so adorable and entertaining....new life!
 

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Sorry to hear about your former pet, brother, death is an awful thing. Enjoy your new puppy....they are so adorable and entertaining....new life!
Pup is a Mastiff/Shepherd mix and her name is 'Kyra'

"Kyra' means Throne = which is appropriate for her as our Ginger was Queen of the Home (protection).

Ginger was a very loving dog that was non-threatening UNLESS someone was to be threatening to us.

Ginger would cuddle up next to anyone who was friendly to her.
 

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Paradise perhaps.
Paradise is heaven (the third heaven - 2 Cor 12:2-4), but Jesus referred to a place that he called "Abraham's bosom" (Luke 16:22) where the souls and spirits of dead believers must have been before being taken to heaven after Jesus died.
 
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