Limited atonement means salvation by grace. Universal atonement means salvation by works.

[David kilmer]

Wow, such a strong point you're making here. Instead of arguing about why "thou shalt not kill" is no longer a requirement for the Christian, we should be striving to overcome anger without just cause or lust or whatever else the Holy Spirit convicts us to do.

He knows. People know already in their heart to kill if they have to. It's a basic human instinct it just isn't always justifiable.

 

[David kilmer]

I'm not dumb I know you was ranting about me.

 

[David kilmer]

Go declares people righteous or not...otherwise they are self-righteous. And that goes for beliefs as well as works. Anything that causes a person to justify himself....even belief in Jesus's finished work on the cross...is still just self-righteousness.

There are many excuses to justify oneself....but all of them are unwise.

God is self skilled because he made water. He later made black. He has the right to drink coffee or soda, he literally made it. He may have made milk which is like a much lower form of coffee. God made warm and cool. He also made light. Am I unwise? There's nothing wrong with being self skilled, or borrowing talents or ideas from others.

 

[David kilmer]

I know what you mean though. Some people need God and his righteousness.

 

[Davy]

What a total bunch of banana republic confusion!

We are saved by God's grace, a free gift that we cannot ever merit by works. There is no such thing as works salvation. In ALL Bible cases, good works came of saving faith first, and that was their basis of God saving them. The works were evidence only of that faith.