Loving Jesus enough to obey Him ensures salvation

[justbyfaith]

It DOES NOT say anything about their eternal salvation now does it?

Deliverance from the flood represents eternal salvation in that scripture.

 

[atpollard]

It DOES NOT say anything about their eternal salvation now does it?

Whose eternal salvation IS discussed in the Old Testament?
Enoch? Maybe.
Job? Maybe.
Abraham? Maybe.

All three require a lot of reading into the verses what is not there.
I don’t think your argument about the eternal salvation of the “evil” (God’s judgement, not mine) children of Noah’s generation really holds water.

 

[atpollard]

You are misusing this passage like everyone else.
You brought up Noah. Does the Bible describe Noah like you just did above?
No! Here is how it describes him....
“Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:9‬ ‭
I could show you others that were also described as righteous.
Nobody is righteous without God. Nobody is righteous in and of themselves. Why was Noah just? He walked with God. Why is anybody described as righteous? It’s because they are obedient servants. Not because they have never sinned.

Who is born walking with God?
King David, a man after God’s heart, was not (by his own words).
So EVERYONE is born starting out in a Romans 3 condition and that is why God needs to do what Ephesians 2 describes to make us righteous.

 

[CNKW3]

Deliverance from the flood represents eternal salvation in that scripture.

No. He is using a physical salvation in verse 20 to describe eternal salvation in vs 21.
Vs 21 says....THE LIKE FIGURE whereunto baptism doth also now save us.
What is the “like figure”? Salvation through water.
What was the dividing line between death and life in the flood? Water
What is the dividing line today between spiritual death and life? Water. Baptism!

 

[CNKW3]

Whose eternal salvation IS discussed in the Old Testament?
Enoch? Maybe.
Job? Maybe.
Abraham? Maybe.

All three require a lot of reading into the verses what is not there.
I don’t think your argument about the eternal salvation of the “evil” (God’s judgement, not mine) children of Noah’s generation really holds water.

Eternal salvation? Salvation in the Bible is determined by context.
For example....
Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Is this about eternal salvation? No. He is answering the question about the destruction of Jerusalem in vs 1-3. This is physical salvation from the Roman army. We know that not one Christian dies in the AD 70 destruction of Jerusalem.

Where does it say the children were “evil”?
Genesis 6:5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
How can a two year old be “wicked”?
How can the thoughts of a new born be wicked continually? This is talking about individuals who had reached a level of maturity.
“Man” does not mean “children”. Look at vs 4. It said they had “children”. It did not say they had “men”. It was “man” who chose to live wickedly. It was man who would be held accountable.

 

[CNKW3]

Who is born walking with God?
King David, a man after God’s heart, was not (by his own words).
So EVERYONE is born starting out in a Romans 3 condition and that is why God needs to do what Ephesians 2 describes to make us righteous.

Nobody is born walking with God. They are too young to make that choice just like they are not born a sinner. They are too young to make that choice as well.

King David? King David was a man. God said that HE looks at man differently then man looks at himself. So who cares what David thinks of himself. God wants ALL of us to come to him with a broken spirit and contrite heart. Ps 34:17

We know sin is not inherited...
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
That’s as plain as the Bible can make it.
What does Eph 2 say...
Ephesians 2:1-3 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;
Why were these people dead in sins? Because they were born that way? The text doesn’t say that. Let’s see why.

Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world,
What? They WALKED (that word is used for manner of life) according to the course of this world? Babies can’t do that. Babies and small children have no “manner of life”.

according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
These people were dead in sins because they chose flesh over God just like Adam and Eve and every other accountable mature human being.
How does man sin?....the Bible tells us.
James 1:14-15 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
How can a baby be drawn away with his own lust?

 

[justbyfaith]

No.

You say no outwardly and then proceed to explain how the answer is yes.

 

[Zachary]

What does all of this have to do with the OP?

 

[Gospel Believer]

Obeying the Gospel Of 1cor15:1-4 is what gaurantees Salvation....

 

[Faither]

Obeying the Gospel Of 1cor15:1-4 is what gaurantees Salvation....

But can obedience begin the salvation journey? The answer is no, so there's no Gospel to obey and no guarantee.

Example: try sending Ford motor credit a car payment without ever making a contract to buy a car. They can't accept it! Neither will God. Your obedience is not worth enough to purchase Salvation. Only Christ's obedience was worth enough. We receive Christ by the contract, the covenant of Faith.

 

[Gospel Believer]

To “obey” the Gospel is to simply believe it.That will save us— right?

 

[justbyfaith]

2Th 1:6, Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
2Th 1:7, And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
2Th 1:8, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
2Th 1:9, Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
2Th 1:10, When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed ) in that day.

 

[TheWind]

“And we know that God causes everything to work together
for the good of those who love God and are called
according to his purpose for them.” (Romans 8:28)
These were predestined, called, justified, and glorified (8:29-30).

Those who truly love God obey Him by resisting temptations to sin!

“God blesses those who patiently endure testing and temptation.
Afterward they will receive the crown of life that God
has promised to those who love Him.” (James 1:12)
Believers who endure temptation:
● love God
● chose to be obedient to Jesus (see below)
● will receive the crown of (eternal) life

“Temptation comes from our own desires,
which entice us and drag us away.
These desires give birth to sinful actions.
And when sin is allowed to grow, it gives birth to death.
So, don’t be misled, my dear brothers and sisters.” (James 1:14-16)
Believers who do NOT endure temptation:
● will fall into habitual sin
● will receive spiritual (eternal) death …
UNLESS they sincerely repent (stop their habitual sinning).

Those who really love Jesus obey Him
“Those who accept My commandments and obey them
are the ones who love Me.” (John 14:21)
“All who love Me will do what I say.” (John 14:23)
“Anyone who doesn’t love me will not obey me.” (John 14:24)
“When you obey my commandments, you remain in my love” (John 15:10)
“You are my friends, if you do what I command.” (John 15:14)
Who gets to heaven who does not love Jesus,
who is not His friend,
and who does not obey His commandments?

Slaves of sin -- OR -- slaves of obedience
“… if you present yourselves to anyone as as obedient slaves,
you are slaves of the one whom you obey,
either (slaves) of sin which leads to (eternal) death,
OR (slaves) of obedience leading too righteousness?”
(Romans 6:16)

“… anyone who obeys my teachings will never die!” (John 8:51)

“if you want to receive eternal life,
keep the commandments.” (Matthew 19:17)

“So, you must live as God’s obedient children.” (1 Peter 1:14)

“Only those who fear the Lord and keep His commandments

have life with God. But there is NO (eternal) life in those

who do not keep His commandments.”
(from “The Shepherd of Hermas”, which was quoted as Scripture by early
Christian leaders such as Irenaeus, Origen, and Clement of Alexandria)
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Let me explain these things to you. Faith is the work of God for the old man. And by this faith we are baptized by the Spirit of God and not man, into the Son of God: the new man. Then being in Christ, we do his commandments, which are done not by the old man but by the new one and so Christ gets the praise.

 

[bbyrd009]

really holds water.

ha a little flood joke there fu ya

 

[bbyrd009]

No. He is using a physical salvation in verse 20 to describe eternal salvation in vs 21.
Vs 21 says....THE LIKE FIGURE whereunto baptism doth also now save us.
What is the “like figure”? Salvation through water.
What was the dividing line between death and life in the flood? Water
What is the dividing line today between spiritual death and life? Water. Baptism!

not the ritual though, but ya!

 

[bbyrd009]

But can obedience begin the salvation journey? The answer is no, so there's no Gospel to obey and no guarantee.

Example: try sending Ford motor credit a car payment without ever making a contract to buy a car. They can't accept it! Neither will God. Your obedience is not worth enough to purchase Salvation. Only Christ's obedience was worth enough. We receive Christ by the contract, the covenant of Faith.

you hope anyway lol. i think ill go and do likewise myself
understand why the pimps and the hos are beating you in imo

 

[bbyrd009]

Let me explain these things to you.

 

[Philip James]

Nobody is born walking with God. They are too young to make that choice just like they are not born a sinner

Hello CNKW3
What of John the Baptist?
Babies can and do rejoice in their saviour....

Peace be with you!

Christ IS risen!
Alleluia!

 

[Zachary]

To “obey” the Gospel is to simply believe it.That will save us— right?

No ... the Gospel is an invitation.
Obeying the Gospel would mean to obey Jesus, for it is His Gospel.
Obeying Jesus is to obey His commandments.
Obeying Jesus is done because one loves Jesus (John 14:15, 21, 23, 24).
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[Zachary]

Let me explain these things to you.

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