Luke 1:43

[theefaith]

What do you make of the scriptures….

Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.- Mark 6:3

54 And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works?
55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things? - Matthew 13

And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn. - Luke 2:7

Brothers and sisters of Jesus?

They are not the children of Mary!

Is 7:14 a virgin shall conceive and bear a son!
(One son, singular)

James is the son of zebedee, and the other James is the son of Alpheus not Joseph!
Matt 10:2-3

In Hebrew culture any close relative can be called brother or sister, lot was called Abraham’s brother but was his nephew.

Gen 12:5 and Abram took Sarai his wife, and Lot his brother's son..

Gen 13:8 And Abram said unto Lot, Let there be no strife, I pray thee, between me and thee, and between my herdsmen and thy herdsmen; for we are Brothers.

The 12 sons of Jacob are brothers but all are not the children of Leah and all are not the children of Rachel! They had 4 mother’s, These may be brothers but they are simply not the children of One mother and the brothers of Jesus are not the children of Mary!

Jose’s, Simon Salome are children of another Mary!

Mk 15:40 There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the less and of Joses, and Salome;

Is Mary the mother of James?
If you mean the Blessed Virgin Mary then no. Her sister-in-law, Mary of Clopas, was the wife of Alphaeus (St. Joseph's brother), and mother of Simon, Joseph, and the apostles Judas Thaddeus, and James (the Less, brother of the Lord): Jesus' cousins.

The "sisters" of Jesus refer to women disciples

Salome, or Mary Salome, was the wife of Zebedee, and mother of apostles John (the beloved), and James (the greater).


Regarding Mat. 13:55 and Mk. 6:3, two of the four "brethren" are James and Judas of Alphaeus (cf. Mat. 10:2-3, Lk. 6:15-16, Act. 1:13). The third, Joseph, is identified in Mk. 15:40 as the brother of James of Alphaeus. The fourth, Simon, is identified in Mat. 13:55 and Mk. 6:3 as the brother of Joseph, James, and Judas of Alphaeus. Therefore, all four are were the sons of Alphaeus, not St. Joseph and the Blessed Virgin Mary.

When Jesus was twelve they went up to Jerusalem, the holy family, Joseph, Mary, and Jesus. Where are the brothers and sisters?

Jesus on the cross gives His mother to John, why? Why not James or a brother? Perhaps the law of Moses requires a mother to be given to the next oldest son? Because he was an only Son!
Only begotten of the Father, only begotten of the Mother.

Only God can be born of a Virgin-mother!


First born does not imply a second born. An only child is still first born!

 

[Webers_Home]

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Is 7:14 a virgin shall conceive and bear a son! (One son, singular)

Well; I see nothing in that passage precluding the possibility that the girl
would need to remain a virgin only until that one son was born; and then
after he was born, she could begin sleeping with a man because any boys
she might conceive after her first wouldn't have to be virgin-conceived.

In a nutshell; it wasn't essential for Jesus' mom to remain a virgin forever.
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[Webers_Home]

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Since Mary was already engaged to Joseph prior to Gabriel's announcement;
the logical conclusion is that she was marrying a Jewish guy for the usual
reasons that Jewish girls wanted a Jewish husband-- to settle down, cohabit
with a Jewish man, and raise a Jewish family.

And since Joseph was already engaged to Mary prior to the dream sequence,
the logical conclusion is that he was marrying a Jewish girl for the usual
reasons that Jewish guys wanted a Jewish wife-- to settle down, cohabit with
a Jewish woman, and raise a Jewish family.

Since the inspired Gospel narratives do not clearly, and without ambiguity,
indicate otherwise, it has to be assumed, from the normal round of Jewish
experience, that those two Jewish adults fully intended to sleep together
after their wedding just like every other normal Jewish couple did back then.

Another point worth well worth the trouble to refute is that there was a time
in Catholicism-- and maybe still is --when it was/is a sin to marry with no
prior intent to produce children. That sin is/was based upon a very early
blessing in the book of Genesis a long time before the religions of Judaism
and Christianity.

• Gen 1:28 . .God blessed them and said to them; Be fruitful and increase in
number

Catholicism at one time regarded that blessing as a commandment.
Therefore, had Mary and Joseph made no attempt whatsoever to produce
children together, then they would have been guilty of disobeying that which
Rome regarded as a divine fiat. It gets worse.

A very serious ethnic point worth emphasizing is that Joseph and his wife
were both Abraham's posterity. God early-on blessed their paterfamilias with
this remark:

• Gen 22:17 . . In blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply
thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea
shore.

Had Joseph not attempted to produce children of his own with his wife, he
would have failed to participate in Abraham's blessing and do his part in
perpetuating his ancestor's seed. In other words: it was Joseph's sacred
privilege, and his sacred duty, to make an honest attempt to have children
with Jesus' mom and her miraculous son was born.
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[theefaith]

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Well; I see nothing in that passage precluding the possibility that the girl
would need to remain a virgin only until that one son was born; and then
after he was born, she could begin sleeping with a man because any boys
she might conceive after her first wouldn't have to be virgin-conceived.

In a nutshell; it wasn't essential for Jesus' mom to remain a virgin forever.
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Then it must be okay to use the ark of the covenant as a common dinner table???

Ark of the new covenant!
The dwelling place of God!
God dwelt in Mary’s womb for 9 months, remember the ark was incorruptible wood covered with pure gold signifying Mary’s immaculate purity!
read exodus or any place in the Old Testament where something came into contact with God or was consecrated to the service of God it had to be pure and Holy!
In the ark was the word of God!
In Mary the new ark is the living Word!
In the ark was the mana!
In Mary was the bread come down from heaven! Jn 6
Bethlehem means house to of bread!

Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Matt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, (Isa 7:14) and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Jn 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Holy mother of God!

Lk 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, Mary full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.



Biblical principle:
Anything Consecrated to God must be pure and used only for the purpose of serving God!

See exodus: the ark of the covenant, everything used in the temple etc.

Ezekiel 44:2 “This gate shall remain shut; it shall not be opened, and no one shall enter by it; for the Lord, the God of Israel, has entered by it; therefore it shall remain shut.”

Mary and her virginity are Consecrated to God in immaculate purity, the pure gold of divine love!

Mary was the dwelling place of the Almighty, like the Ark of the Covenant in the Old Testament. Mary was a vessel consecrated to God alone!


Can a man use the ark of the covenant for a common dinner table?

Then Joseph can in no any way use Mary for a common wife!

No mere man may enter where God conceived! Ez 44:2

Mary would not consent to God’s will and to receive the exalted dignity of the mother of God if it means violating her vow of perpetual virginity then why simply consent relations with Joseph!

That’s impossible!

Lk 1:34 Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

(This verse imply’s that Mary is consecrated to God alone! and has taken a vow of perpetual virginity! She was s willing to refuse even the exalted dignity of mother of God, the mother of our savior, and mother of all Christians if it means violating Her vow of perpetual virginity)

Lk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

36 And, behold, thy cousin Elisabeth, she hath also conceived a son in her old age: and this is the sixth month with her, who was called barren.

37 For with God nothing shall be impossible.

38 And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

She consented to our salvation when she realized it would not violate her vow of perpetual virginity!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

where did I say Mary was the mother of the divinity?
Or the source or origin of God?

this is about Jesus not mary!

These scriptures prove that Jesus is God, and there are many on this forum who deny it!

Jesus is God, Mary is his mother, so Mary is the mother of God!

Jesus is our salvation, Mary is his mother, so Mary is the mother of our salvation!

Mother of Christ
Mother of the word
Mother of the prince of peace
Mother of divine grace

To deny reality is insanity!
Well put!

Jesus was also a man. Jesus contributed His own divinity without any help from Mary and Mary provided the genetics for Jesus' humanity! She is th emother of Jesus, but not of God. He already was god before He entered her womb. she di not give birth to God, merely carried one who was God before.

I agree with you to deny reality is to deny insanity so why do you?

Mary had sex- the bible proves it!

Mary had at least 6 other children the bible proves it.

Divine grace existed long before Mary even existed- so she cannot Mother something that was before her!

Jesus already was the Prince of Peace- How can she Mother something or someone who already existed?

Jesus as the Word existed long before Mary. To say she is th eMother of the Word is to redefine what tro mothewr means. YOu should know that unless you have accepted a redefinition of mother.

 

[theefaith]

Jesus was also a man. Jesus contributed His own divinity without any help from Mary and Mary provided the genetics for Jesus' humanity! She is th emother of Jesus, but not of God. He already was god before He entered her womb. she di not give birth to God, merely carried one who was God before.

I agree with you to deny reality is to deny insanity so why do you?

Mary had sex- the bible proves it!

Mary had at least 6 other children the bible proves it.
How? What verses say Mary had six children??? Or sex???


Divine grace existed long before Mary even existed- so she cannot Mother something that was before her!

Jesus already was the Prince of Peace- How can she Mother something or someone who already existed?

Jesus as the Word existed long before Mary. To say she is th eMother of the Word is to redefine what tro mothewr means. YOu should know that unless you have accepted a redefinition of mother.

mary is the mother of his entire person
If he is God she MUST be mother and f God

if he is king then Mary MUST be Queen

and mother of all He is

 

[Webers_Home]

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mary is the mother of his entire person. If he is God she MUST be mother
and f God

Quite a few of the Christians that I encounter online will readily attest that
Christ is fully God and fully Man; when in reality they only believe he is fully
God. In other words; many of them cannot discern the difference between
the Word of John 1:1 and the flesh of John 1:14. The fact is: Christ isn't one
person; he is actually an amalgam of two: one divine and the other human--
one from eternity, the other from Adam-- one the creator, the other created.

if he is king then Mary MUST be Queen

Christ is a king in the line of the Davidic dynasty. (Luke 1:32). David's
throne is an earthly monarchy headquartered in the city of Jerusalem in the
country of Israel and has no jurisdiction in Heaven. When Jesus returns;
Jerusalem is where he intends to set up shop and govern the Jews during the
millennium.

Now, in order for Mary to be a Davidic queen, she would have to wed her
son and become his wife; which is one of the lowest forms of incest
imaginable; so let's not get caught up in that fantasy.
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[Robert Gwin]

Mary is the mother of God!

Lk 1:43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

Lk 1:26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,

Lk 1: 45 And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.

Lk 1:49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.

so the Lord is the Lord God almighty!

Proving the divinity of Jesus Christ!


Praise of Mary and the saints redounds to the glory of God and Christ, co Mary and the saints are what God made them, it is His handiwork (Lk 1:49 Lk 1:28) and the graces they have come from the merits of Christ’s passion and death

Likewise an Attack on Mary and the saints, or the authority of the apostles or the church or rejection of such doctrines is and attack on God and on Christ!
Acts 9:4 Eph 5:32

Mary is the mother of Jesus, the son of God sir. Jn 3:16

 

[Ronald Nolette]

mary is the mother of his entire person
If he is God she MUST be mother and f God

if he is king then Mary MUST be Queen

and mother of all He is

Tghe Father is king- which woiuld make Mary His wife which is stupid to the max. Jesus is king for only 1,000 years, and then He returns the kingdom to His Father.

If Mary were queen, Then she is married to God the Father asnd that is untrue.

No Mary is no tth emother of the whole person of Jesus. Jesus wasn't born as God-- He was God leternally before Hew was born- Mary had no part in conceiving or growing the God part of Jesus. That would require jesus to cease being god and become a cytoblast God and be formed into God- that is outrageous and I don't think you even could believe.

 

[theefaith]

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Quite a few of the Christians that I encounter online will readily attest that
Christ is fully God and fully Man; when in reality they only believe he is fully
God. In other words; many of them cannot discern the difference between
the Word of John 1:1 and the flesh of John 1:14. The fact is: Christ isn't one
person; he is actually an amalgam of two: one divine and the other human--
one from eternity, the other from Adam-- one the creator, the other created.



Christ is a king in the line of the Davidic dynasty. (Luke 1:32). David's
throne is an earthly monarchy headquartered in the city of Jerusalem in the
country of Israel and has no jurisdiction in Heaven. When Jesus returns;
Jerusalem is where he intends to set up shop and govern the Jews during the
millennium.

Now, in order for Mary to be a Davidic queen, she would have to wed her
son and become his wife; which is one of the lowest forms of incest
imaginable; so let's not get caught up in that fantasy.
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No the mother of the king is queen

two persons?
another Hersey condemned by the early church
Christ has two natures in one person

 

[theefaith]

Mary is the mother of Jesus, the son of God sir. Jn 3:16

Are denying the divinity of Christ?

then you cannot be a Christian

 

[theefaith]

Tghe Father is king- which woiuld make Mary His wife which is stupid to the max. Jesus is king for only 1,000 years, and then He returns the kingdom to His Father.

If Mary were queen, Then she is married to God the Father asnd that is untrue.

No Mary is no tth emother of the whole person of Jesus. Jesus wasn't born as God-- He was God leternally before Hew was born- Mary had no part in conceiving or growing the God part of Jesus. That would require jesus to cease being god and become a cytoblast God and be formed into God- that is outrageous and I don't think you even could believe.

ok Saul

maybe one day you will see the blinding light of christ

 

[theefaith]

Fundamentalism is spiritual blindness

 

[MatthewG]

What is the definition of fundamentalism, @theefaith ?

 

[theefaith]

What is the definition of fundamentalism, @theefaith ?

Fundamentalism: Faith without reason
Atheism: reason without faith

 

[Webers_Home]

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Christ has two natures in one person

Classical Christianity attests that God consists of three distinct persons in
one. The Bible goes a step further by parsing the Son.

According to John 1:1 and John 1:14, the Son consists of two distinct
persons, but here the persons are markedly dissimilar. Whereas all three of
God's persons are divine; only one of the Son's is divine while the other is
human, i.e. one is natural and the other supernatural, one is the creator and
the other was created.

Jesus Christ is extremely complex and not everyone is able to comprehend
his unique amalgam of the natural and the supernatural. But in my opinion;
anyone able to accept that God is three distinct persons in one, should be
capable of accepting His son is two distinct persons in one, i.e. Jesus Christ
was, and is, a spirit being and a physical being simultaneously-- a binary
existence that the Jehovah's Witnesses allege is impossible, but nevertheless
true anyway.
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[Wrangler]

Mary is the mother of God!

Lk 1:43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

Again, you are confusing the many lords of the Bible with the LORD God. Every lord has a mother but God, like Adam, has no mother.

 

[theefaith]

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Classical Christianity attests that God consists of three distinct persons in
one. The Bible goes a step further by parsing the Son.

According to John 1:1 and John 1:14, the Son consists of two distinct
persons, but here the persons are markedly dissimilar. Whereas all three of
God's persons are divine; only one of the Son's is divine while the other is
human, i.e. one is natural and the other supernatural, one is the creator and
the other was created.

Jesus Christ is extremely complex and not everyone is able to comprehend
his unique amalgam of the natural and the supernatural. But in my opinion;
anyone who able to accept that God is three distinct persons in one, should
be capable of accepting His son is two distinct persons in one, i.e. Jesus
Christ was, and is, a spirit being and a physical being simultaneously-- a
binary existence that the Jehovah's Witnesses allege is impossible, but
nevertheless true anyway.
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Nestorianism, Christian sect that originated in Asia Minor and Syria stressing the independence of the divine and human natures of Christ and, in effect, suggesting that they are two persons loosely united. The schismatic sect formed following the condemnation of Nestorius and his teachings by the ecumenical councils of Ephesus (431 CE) and Chalcedon (451 CE).

 

[theefaith]

Again, you are confusing the many lords of the Bible with the LORD God. Every lord has a mother but God, like Adam, has no mother.

Oh no
I gave quotes

Mary is the mother of God!

Lk 1:43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

Lk 1:26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,

Lk 1: 45 And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.

Lk 1:49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.

so the Lord is the Lord God almighty!

Proving the divinity of Jesus Christ!

those are the same Lord!

mary is not the mother of many lords only the Lord God

 

[Ronald Nolette]

ok Saul

maybe one day you will see the blinding light of christ

I did 47 years ago! that is why I left the Romanist Church!