Man's Preterism, An Abomination

[ScottA]

Where does Jesus claim that the spiritual body has no flesh? It will have no mortal flesh, of course, but where does He say it has no flesh at all?

I quoted Jesus. Look it up (I am traveling).

 

[ScottA]

What I realized long ago is that you're not someone that I can take seriously and you continue to prove that over and over again. You say that I have an evil heart without knowing me at all. You may think that you are God, but let me assure you that you are not. Let God be the judge of people's hearts. That's not your job. You're terrible at it, anyway.

It was a warning, a requirement of God.

But why do you trouble yourself, why have anything to do with me? Rhetorical.

 

[ScottA]

It very specifically says He saw Jesus in heaven, not on the earth.

Acts 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God, 56 and said, “Look! I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God!” 57 Then they cried out with a loud voice, stopped their ears, and ran at him with one accord; 58 and they cast him out of the city and stoned him. And the witnesses laid down their clothes at the feet of a young man named Saul. 59 And they stoned Stephen as he was calling on God and saying, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.”

Nowhere does this say that Jesus came down to Stephen on earth as you are trying to claim. No, Stephen's spirit went up to be with Christ in heaven. Do you deny that a believer's soul and spirit go to be with the Lord in heaven when they physically die?

It is the scriptures that claim that Jesus and the Father came [again] to Stephen--not "when he physically died"--but before he was thrown out of the city--specifically before he was stoned. They came to him personally, Jesus returning. Only "not when you expect."

You just never heard or understood what you were reading.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I quoted Jesus. Look it up (I am traveling).

How about you wait until you're done traveling before trying to have a discussion on this forum? This is ridiculous. If you can't show what you're talking about by quoting scripture then you should wait until you can before posting here. No one is going to take you seriously if all you do is make claims without backing that up clearly with scripture.

 

[rwb]

Yes, I agree. But, that isn't what was being claimed. You often have a lot of trouble understanding what is actually being discussed. What ScottA claims is that Jesus came to Stephen upon his death. Is that what you believe? I believe that Stephen's soul and spirit went to be with the Lord Jesus in heaven immediately upon his death.

You can read what I believe any reply to that, rather than trying to put the views of others upon me.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It is the scriptures that claim that Jesus and the Father came [again] to Stephen--not "when he physically died"--but before he was thrown out of the city--specifically before he was stoned.

You just never heard or understood what you you were reading.

Have you just never learned how to communicate as an adult? What do you have against being clear about whatever you're talking about, anyway? It's quite noticeable that I'm far from the only one who doesn't know what you're talking about most of the time. How about just making an effort to be clear so people don't have to guess as to what you might be saying? Is that too much to ask? It shouldn't be. What scripture exactly are you referring to when you talk about Jesus and the Father coming again to Stephen before he was thrown out of the city before he was stoned to death? Are you talking about the Holy Spirit coming to dwell in Stephen upon him being born again?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You can read what I believe any reply to that, rather than trying to put the views of others upon me.

I do read what you believe. You're often unclear about it or you contradict yourself. After ScottA said that he believed Jesus came to Stephen when he died then you chimed in saying that Jesus came to Stephen by His Spirit. So, it came across that you were supporting his claim and just adding details about how Jesus came to Stephen at that time. How would I know at that time that you posted that response that you were not talking about the same thing that ScottA was talking about? You didn't make it clear at the time. It would've been nice if you had said you agreed with me that Jesus didn't come to Stephen upon His death, but rather came to Him by His Spirit when he was born again. Then I wouldn't have thought you were agreeing with what ScottA said.

 

[ScottA]

How about you wait until you're done traveling before trying to have a discussion on this forum? This is ridiculous. If you can't show what you're talking about by quoting scripture then you should wait until you can before posting here. No one is going to take you seriously if all you do is make claims without backing that up clearly with scripture.

As I said--not that I arranged it, God did--this has been a test, revealing your inability to hear and know His word when it is spoken to you. It is written on my heart from which I quote it to you, but obviously not on your heart that you could perceive it.

What is wrong with this picture, is not me picking at better time when I could give you chapter and verse, but you not being prepared in the way He has stated was to be the Way.

Meanwhile, we're going on about what is biblically proper...instead of advancing the "line upon line" going forward of this topic.

 

[rwb]

I do read what you believe. You're often unclear about it or you contradict yourself. After ScottA said that he believed Jesus came to Stephen when he died then you chimed in saying that Jesus came to Stephen by His Spirit. So, it came across that you were supporting his claim and just adding details about how Jesus came to Stephen at that time. How would I know at that time that you posted that response that you were not talking about the same thing that ScottA was talking about? You didn't make it clear at the time. It would've been nice if you had said you agreed with me that Jesus didn't come to Stephen upon His death, but rather came to Him by His Spirit when he was born again. Then I wouldn't have thought you were agreeing with what ScottA said.

I don't believe you! I think you are being dishonest not only to me but almost every time anyone disagrees with you because often you cannot biblically refute what I and others have said. That's when you turn to arrogance and rude behavior. If you thought I agreed with something said that you believe to be unbiblical, instead of making your snarky nasty opinionated statements, why not simply ask if that is what was meant? What I've discovered since conversing with you on bible topics not related to Amillennialism is that there is more we do NOT agree on than what we do. I realize now that's because you hold to Armenian Free Will doctrines and I hold to Reformed Calvinistic doctrines of Grace.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

As I said--not that I arranged it, God did--this has been a test, revealing your inability to hear and know His word when it is spoken to you.

LOL. You don't even speak His word most of the time. You speak your own meaningless words instead.

It is written on my heart from which I quote it to you, but obviously not on your heart that you could perceive it.

Quote what? Yourself? You rarely quote scripture.

What is wrong with this picture, is not me picking at better time when I could give you chapter and verse, but you not being prepared in the way He has stated was to be the Way.

Blah blah blah. Just empty words from you.

Meanwhile, we're going on about what is biblically proper...instead of advancing the "line upon line" going forward of this topic.

How about actually using the Bible to show what you think is biblically proper? When someone asks you to show which scriptures in the Bible support your claims, you don't provide them. I'm not going to waste any more time on such nonsense.

 

[ScottA]

Have you just never learned how to communicate as an adult? What do you have against being clear about whatever you're talking about, anyway? It's quite noticeable that I'm far from the only one who doesn't know what you're talking about most of the time. How about just making an effort to be clear so people don't have to guess as to what you might be saying? Is that too much to ask? It shouldn't be. What scripture exactly are you referring to when you talk about Jesus and the Father coming again to Stephen before he was thrown out of the city before he was stoned to death? Are you talking about the Holy Spirit coming to dwell in Stephen upon him being born again?

The pattern that you SHOULD be noticing, is not that you, or not only you, do not often comprehend what I am saying--but rather how that is an established pattern among God's people.

Hello!

In which case, your gripe is to God. Or...you can just believe that what you and I do is not a part of all that God is doing, and we're just here chatting and biding our time, then we die. Believe what you want.

But yes, that is too much to ask. Get with the program! The Holy Spirit is at work finishing the mystery of God as is God's established method: "precept upon precept, line upon line, here a little there a little." Put you ears on and expect to hear what has been and prepared for our time!

Have I not been speaking just like that?

 

[Davy]

Yes, but before that the Spirit in Christ returned to the Father in heaven. Which is where we, who have been born again are now living and reigning SPIRITUALLY with Christ during this time symbolized a thousand years. And when we die our spirit as living soul will leave our natural body of death and like the spirit of Christ also return to God. That's why Christ is the firstfruits of the spirit of those faithful saints who died before His coming now also the firstfruits of SPIRITUAL life as living souls in heaven.

Your bogged down in mortal flesh, because you don't believe Christ when He tells us the life we receive in Him is ETERNAL! You believe saints won't have eternal life until we are bodily resurrected. Apparently, you don't understand the difference between that part of faithful man (spirit) possessing eternal life, and the flesh of faithful man that shall be immortal. Now in this life we HAVE (not shall have but HAVE) ETERNAL SPIRITUAL LIFE through the Spirit of Christ in us, then when the spiritual body a living soul in heaven returns with Christ when the last trumpet sounds, faithful man shall be bodily raised immortal through the eternal spirit that returns with Christ.



You have ZERO spiritual discernment because you don't believe man possesses ETERNAL LIFE! Why would anyone pay one iota of attention to anything you think you know coming from spiritual understanding???

What you have obviously been subjected to is men's system of MYSTICISM, which is just another name for the OCCULT.

That other dimension of SPIRIT has many realities in common with this earthly dimension. Just as in the flesh we each have an 'individual spirit and a soul', in the heavenly dimension it will be the same. Our spirit is NOT like a drop of water that while here on earth is separated from "the Great All" (borrowing from Mysticism), and gets dissolved back into the Great All (God) when our spirit returns to God.

The idea in Eccl.12:5-7 about our 'spirit' returning to God Who gave it simply means our spirit that is bound inside our flesh shell manifesting in the heavenly dimension realm which it has its being and form from. I laugh when I hear those who don't understand God's Word on this matter wrongly use the term 'disembodied spirit', because that suggest one's spirit existence without any kind of body (i.e., outward image likeness). Not what The Bible teaches...

Like Apostle Paul said in 1 Cor.15, as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The pattern that you SHOULD be noticing, is not that you, or not only you, do not often comprehend what I am saying--but rather how that is an established pattern among God's people.

Hello!

In which case, your gripe is to God. Or...you can just believe that what you and I do is not a part of all that God is doing, and we're just here chatting and biding our time, then we die. Believe what you want.

But yes, that is too much to ask. Get with the program! The Holy Spirit is at work finishing the mystery of God as is God's established method: "precept upon precept, line upon line, here a little there a little." Put you ears on and expect to hear what has been and prepared for our time!

Have I not been speaking just like that?

LOL! So many words saying absolutely nothing. Let me know if you ever want to be taken seriously. That would require you to actually use scripture to back up your word salads, so I'm not going to hold my breath.

 

[ScottA]

LOL! So many words saying absolutely nothing. Let me know if you ever want to be taken seriously. That would require you to actually use scripture to back up your word salads, so I'm not going to hold my breath.

I have been quoting scripture all along--but you FAILED to hear it, revealing that God's Word is not in you.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I have been quoting scripture all along--but you FAILED to hear it, revealing that God's Word is not in you.

You might occasionally quote scripture, but you never make any coherent arguments using scripture. Most of your comments are pure gibberish that only you can understand.

 

[ScottA]

You might occasionally quote scripture, but you never make any coherent arguments using scripture. Most of your comments are pure gibberish that only you can understand.

Where have we heard that before...

As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 1 Peter 3:16

 

[Davy]

Where have we heard that before...

As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 1 Peter 3:16

Oh, that's a good one to quote, which only reveals you don't have a clue!

Try explaining the Romans 8:18-25 Scripture by Apostle Paul.

 

[ScottA]

Oh, that's a good one to quote, which only reveals you don't have a clue!

Try explaining the Romans 8:18-25 Scripture by Apostle Paul.

Can't even ask nicely, I see. Such hatred.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Where have we heard that before...

As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. 1 Peter 3:16

LOL. Look at you comparing yourself to Paul. There isn't a more delusional person on this forum (or maybe anywhere) than you. By the way, that verse is 2 Peter 3:16, not 1 Peter 3:16.

 

[ScottA]

LOL. Look at you comparing yourself to Paul. There isn't a more delusional person on this forum (or maybe anywhere) than you. By the way, that verse is 2 Peter 3:16, not 1 Peter 3:16.

I open the scriptures to you, and this is your response. You have done it to Him. So be it.