Many Say ‘Just Believe’… But What Did Jesus Actually Teach?

[TitusTwoWife]

@LoveYeshua

Thank you for teaching biblical truth and against OSAS.

I do not feel led to teach about it anymore. I think men in particular are the ones meant to defend and contend for the faith and teach salvation doctrine.

But as I stepped down from the debate I notice more teaching against it. Im very pleased.

I used to believe OSAS. Hearing it over and over again led me to assume it was in the Bible. It wasn't until I read the Bible with a desire to get the truth no matter what that I saw that eternal security was false.

But Ive noticed that no matter how many Scriptures presented, some people care more about OSAS than truth. That's why Im relieved to stop debating it. Still, there might be a person out there who's hungry for truth. For that reason, keep teaching the Scriptures. I am praying that you stay patient and encouraged in this.

 

[Taken]

@Taken @Luther7 below some clear words of Jesus that NEGATES OSAS NO interpretations necessary.

Do you believe this parable of Jesus or reject his words? the choice is yours.

Parable of the Sower (KJV)
Matthew 13:3–9

“Behold, a sower went forth to sow;
And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:
And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:
But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.”

Mat 13:18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.

Mat 13:19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.

Mat 13:20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;

Mat 13:21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.

Mat 13:22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.

Mat 13:23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.


The narrow way (KJV)
Matthew 7:13–14
“Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.”

Not everyone who says “Lord” (KJV)
Matthew 7:21
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.”

Matthew 7:22–23
“Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? …
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”

The vine and the branches (KJV)
John 15:5–6
“I am the vine, ye are the branches…
If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.”

John 15:10
“If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.”

Endure to the end (KJV)
Matthew 24:13
“But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.”

Many move clear verses I can add but it is for you to search for the truth if you dare.


the Words of Jesus must be taken all together and we should not cherry pick the ones we like that fits our personal beliefs, His words are part of a whole and they must be put together to have the full picture. an analogy would be a puzzle, until you place them on the board you cannot see the full picture.

I Have already clearly stated, All Scripture IS True.
All Scripture does not Apply to EVERY person.

If you think “Cherry-Picking” is Not for you…
That is Your Right to say so…
And my right to Disagree.

Utter Nonsense …you conclude you will be BOTH Saved and Damned…!

 

[Taken]

@LoveYeshua

Thank you for teaching biblical truth and against OSAS.

I used to believe OSAS. Hearing it over and over again led me to assume it was in the Bible.

Hearing is Not Understanding.

Please show the Scriptures ….
Whereby;
A person Dead, then Saved, returns from the Dead and Rejects his Salvation.

Tnx

 

[Taken]

Many Say ‘Just Believe’… But What Did Jesus Actually Teach?

Believe AND be Made Converted.

 

[amigo de christo]

taken What does believe in someone means to you personally? to me when I believe someone, I believe in what they say and if that person ( Jesus) would ask something of me or ask me to do something I would do it. but realize it is a choice we all have to make. simple belief is not enough.

James 2:19
“Thou believest that God is one; thou doest well: the demons also believe, and shudder.”

This shows something very important.
Belief by itself is not enough. Even demons believe that God is real, yet they do not follow Him.

One must choose to follow him and yes people can change, example Judas, was given the power to heal and cast out demons and did so as the other disciples also, yet he did prefer 30 silver coins to Jesus and and delivered him to his enemies.

Jesus was clear: any branches that does not bare fruit he will cut away. Here I quote these verses in the full context, the words of Christ through John are so exquisite they must keep together.

Jhn 15:1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.

Jhn 15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

Jhn 15:3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

Jhn 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

Jhn 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Jhn 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

Jhn 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

Jhn 15:8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.

Jhn 15:9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.

Jhn 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

Jhn 15:11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.

Jhn 15:12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.

Jhn 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

Jhn 15:14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

Jhn 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

Jhn 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Jhn 15:17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.

Blessings

From even the beginning this has been the case .
Nowhere did the serpent tell eve , nor did e ve or adam even say hey WE DONT BELIEVE IN GOD .
The serpent simply convinced eve TO BELEIVE him and NOT GOD .
BELIEF . Its about also BELIEVING HIS WORDS .
Just as did abraham . What kept Israel f rom entering into the promised land .
THEY NEVER SAID , HEY WE DONT BELIEVE IN GOD .
THEY just didnt believe HIM . WHEN HE had told them HE would be with them and give them
power over their enemies . NO they took one look at the GIANTS
and FEAR took hold of them and they let their fear cause them TO NOT BELIEVE GOD .
And so they went and gave an evil bad report of the land .
AND again their evil report did the israelites beleive and not GOD who had told them a land of milk and honey .
ITS ALL ABOUT BELIEF , FAITH . And thus WE HAD BELIEVED GOD , HIS WORDS , THE WORDS OF JESUS .
IT aint enough to do as the demons do and tremble . WHOSE WORDS do we obey are whose words we BELEIVE
and thus IS WHO our faith is in my friend . YOU ................IS CORRECT . but many follow another jesus these days
One created of men of course , whose words sure seem to contradict THE WORDS of JESUS .

 

[ProDeo]

Hearing is Not Understanding.

Please show the Scriptures ….
Whereby;
A person Dead, then Saved, returns from the Dead and Rejects his Salvation.

Tnx

Hebr 6:4 For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit,
Hebr 6:5 and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come,
Hebr 6:6 and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.

For example.

 

[Taken]

Hebr 6:4 For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit,
Hebr 6:5 and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come,
Hebr 6:6 and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.

For example.

I specifically, Said SAVED…
And this your example…
Do you believe, this Person, in this example is speaking of…
Was SAVED?
Then UN-saved?

Tnx.

 

[LoveYeshua]

From even the beginning this has been the case .
Nowhere did the serpent tell eve , nor did e ve or adam even say hey WE DONT BELIEVE IN GOD .
The serpent simply convinced eve TO BELEIVE him and NOT GOD .
BELIEF . Its about also BELIEVING HIS WORDS .
Just as did abraham . What kept Israel f rom entering into the promised land .
THEY NEVER SAID , HEY WE DONT BELIEVE IN GOD .
THEY just didnt believe HIM . WHEN HE had told them HE would be with them and give them
power over their enemies . NO they took one look at the GIANTS
and FEAR took hold of them and they let their fear cause them TO NOT BELIEVE GOD .
And so they went and gave an evil bad report of the land .
AND again their evil report did the israelites beleive and not GOD who had told them a land of milk and honey .
ITS ALL ABOUT BELIEF , FAITH . And thus WE HAD BELIEVED GOD , HIS WORDS , THE WORDS OF JESUS .
IT aint enough to do as the demons do and tremble . WHOSE WORDS do we obey are whose words we BELEIVE
and thus IS WHO our faith is in my friend . YOU ................IS CORRECT . but many follow another jesus these days
One created of men of course , whose words sure seem to contradict THE WORDS of JESUS .

yes, Amigo I see a lot of people who follow someone else but not Christ, they know his name but do not do as he says, worse many think they are saved, but that is not for me to judge.

NOTE: I am not pointing at anyone in particular here, just a general observation and I can tell you its getting worse.

 

[LoveYeshua]

@LoveYeshua

Thank you for teaching biblical truth and against OSAS.

I do not feel led to teach about it anymore. I think men in particular are the ones meant to defend and contend for the faith and teach salvation doctrine.

But as I stepped down from the debate I notice more teaching against it. Im very pleased.

I used to believe OSAS. Hearing it over and over again led me to assume it was in the Bible. It wasn't until I read the Bible with a desire to get the truth no matter what that I saw that eternal security was false.

But Ive noticed that no matter how many Scriptures presented, some people care more about OSAS than truth. That's why Im relieved to stop debating it. Still, there might be a person out there who's hungry for truth. For that reason, keep teaching the Scriptures. I am praying that you stay patient and encouraged in this.

Thank you Titus, I understand what you say, it is a difficult task to teach the truth and many refuse it. Before, I was persistent but at one point the words of Jesus came to mind when he said to his disciples ;

Matthew 10:14
“And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear your words, when ye depart out of that house or city, shake off the dust of your feet.”
Matthew 7:6
“Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.”

These show the same simple teaching:
the disciples were to speak the truth, but not force it. If people refused to hear, they were to leave and move on. that is what I do now, I give people the clear words of Christ hoping they will understand. Before I spent months doing this with the same people but many don't want to change so it becomes a waste of time if we tarry for too long.

Blessings and thank you for the kind words and encouragements.

 

[LoveYeshua]

I get them on here, as well. It is to be expected, I guess- BUT not from other believers-- tho, but it sure begs the question, doesn't it?
I am not attacking you, so I don't want you to feel that way at all. I am questioning what you teach here- that is all. That's ok isn't it?
I'm not sure of anything "false" in my reply, so If you would point those out and correct me- I'm all ears. I see no point in continuing an attempt to communicate with you if I misunderstand you. So please, correct me where I am mistaken.

I did tell you ch 4. I don't know why we would discuss that if you don't accept Paul. That is the problem I have. You are never going to see what I'm showing you about the Sabbath if you can't accept Paul (warts and all) as apostle to the Gentiles sent by the Lord. it's such a shame because it's really very beautiful. Jesus is our Sabbath- He is the whole idea behind "rest"

ok

Many do. I agree. I have never heard of half of the stuff I read on here. I'm not even sure if they were taught this stuff in a church or made it up themselves. What it is though is clearly- cherry picking verses. Paul is a prime target for people- He isn't always the easiest to understand-it takes time and allowing scripture to interpret scripture- but in no way did he teach antinomianism like they seem to preach
The cherry picking isnt only with Paul- it's done with John also- 1 john - some people here can't sin now too!

His words are life. I agree- God does not change- but His covenants do. That's a good thing for us.

If you will start a new thread on what you wrote here, I will discuss: "I did tell you ch 4. I don't know why we would discuss that if you don't accept Paul. That is the problem I have. You are never going to see what I'm showing you about the Sabbath if you can't accept Paul (warts and all) as apostle to the Gentiles sent by the Lord. it's such a shame because it's really very beautiful. Jesus is our Sabbath- He is the whole idea behind "rest""

About Paul, I am critical of the way he wrote. but I do not reject him but the complicated way me mixes concepts together that confuse so many. Paul was trained under Gamaliel, a respected teacher of the law. Because of this, his way of writing follows the style of the learned men of his time. He often builds long arguments, uses deep reasoning, and connects many ideas together. This kind of teaching can be hard to follow, especially for simple readers.

That is why even in the early days, some believers found his writings difficult. The apostle Peter himself spoke about this:
2 Peter 3:15–16 (KJV)
“And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.”

Paul wrote with a trained and complex style, and because of that, some things are not easy to understand. When people twist those hard parts, it can lead them away from the truth instead of toward it. it is why I prefer to use the words of Jesus but not exclusively, I do quote Paul when he is clear about something. It is to avoid long arduous arguments. Also the way to salvation is perfectly explained by Jesus own words in Matthew, John, Mark, and Luke. so it you start a new thread I will gladly discuss.

 

[mailmandan]

Many Say ‘Just Believe’… But What Did Jesus Actually Teach?

Believe AND be Made Converted.

We can't believe unless we first repent (change our mind).

Matthew 21:32 - For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.

Mark 1:15 - The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent and believe the gospel.

Certain folks place repentance "after" believing for salvation and turn the fruit of repentance (Matthew 3:8; Acts 26:20) into the means of salvation because they teach salvation by works.

 

[mailmandan]

And what is the "will of the father"?

John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Continued from the O.P.

Many Say ‘Just Believe’… But What Did Jesus Actually Teach?​

About following Him daily

Belief in Jesus is not only something we say with our mouth. It is something we live each day. Jesus spoke in a simple and clear way so that all could understand. When we listen to Him, we see that belief is joined with following Him. It is not a one-time moment, but a path we walk step by step.

Luke 9:23 (ASV)
“And he said unto all, If any man would come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.”

Here Jesus shows that belief has a cost. To deny self means to turn away from our own desires when they go against what is right. Many times the heart wants what is easy, what is pleasing, or what brings gain. But Jesus calls a person to choose what is right instead. This choice must be made again and again.

To take up the cross daily means to accept the weight of doing good in a world that does not always love what is good. It can mean being patient when others are not, speaking truth when it is not welcomed, or turning away from sin when it is tempting. This is not done once, but each day.

Following Him means learning from His life. He was humble, He served others, He obeyed the Father, and He endured suffering without turning away. A true believer looks at Him and walks in the same direction. This is how belief becomes living and real, not only words.

Luke 14:27 (ASV)
“Whosoever doth not bear his own cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.”

These words are strong but clear. Jesus does not hide the truth. Belief is not only knowing who He is, but choosing Him above all. If a person is not willing to walk this path, then the belief remains only in words. But the one who truly believes will follow, even when it costs something.

About abiding in His word

Jesus also teaches that belief means to remain in His word. It is not enough to hear once and then forget. A believer holds on to what He said and continues in it.

John 8:31–32 (ASV)
“Jesus therefore said to those Jews that had believed him, If ye abide in my word, then are ye truly my disciples; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”

He spoke this to people who already believed Him. Yet He still says, “if ye abide.” This shows that belief must continue. To abide means to stay, to remain, to live in His word. It is like a branch that stays on the tree. If it stays, it lives. If it leaves, it dries. Many hear the words of Jesus and feel something for a moment. But when life becomes hard, or when other voices come, they let go. But the one who believes truly holds on. He returns to the words of Jesus, thinks on them, and lives by them.

The promise is clear. “Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” Freedom is not only hearing truth, but walking in it. A person becomes free from sin step by step as he lives what Jesus taught.

John 12:47–48 (ASV)
“And if any man hear my sayings, and keep them not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my sayings, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I spake, the same shall judge him in the last day.”

These words show that what Jesus said matters deeply. To hear but not keep His words is to reject them. And His words will stand at the end. This is why true belief holds His teaching close and does not let it go.

About doing the will of the Father

Jesus makes it very clear that belief is not only calling Him “Lord,” but doing what God asks. Words alone are not enough.

Matthew 7:21–23 (ASV)
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy by thy name, and by thy name cast out demons, and by thy name do many mighty works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”

These are serious words. A person may speak His name and even do great things, yet still not be known by Him. Why? Because they did not do the will of the Father. True belief is shown in a life that obeys.

Jesus then gives a simple picture to make this clear.

Matthew 7:24–27 (ASV)
“Every one therefore that heareth these words of mine, and doeth them, shall be likened unto a wise man, who built his house upon the rock: and the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon the rock. And every one that heareth these words of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, who built his house upon the sand: and the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and smote upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall thereof.”

Both hear His words. But only one does them. The one who does stands firm. The one who does not falls. The difference is not hearing, but doing.

What does this look like in daily life? It is simple, but it must be real. It is telling the truth even when lying would be easier. It is forgiving someone who has hurt you instead of holding anger. It is helping someone in need when you could turn away. It is being patient, kind, and humble, even when others are not.

It is turning away from sin when no one is watching. It is choosing what is right in small things, not only in big moments. It is caring for the poor, the weak, and those who are forgotten. It is loving others, not only in words, but in actions.

It is also listening when Jesus speaks and correcting our path when we see we are wrong. A heart that does the will of the Father is a heart that is willing to change and to obey.

The Goden Rule
Matthew 7:12 (KJV) Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.

So when we gather all these words of Jesus, the message is simple and clear. Belief is not only saying we believe. It is following Him each day, even when it is hard. It is staying in His word and not letting go. It is doing the will of the Father in real and simple ways.

This kind of belief is alive. It walks, it obeys, it endures. It may look small to the world, but it is great in the eyes of God. And this is the belief Jesus calls us to.

Continued on post 131

 

[mailmandan]

Now there is a difference between doing the will of the Father IN ORDER TO BECOME SAVED:

John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

AND

Doing the will of the Father AFTER WE HAVE BEEN SAVED:

1 Thessalonians 5:14 - And we urge you, brothers and sisters, warn those who are idle and disruptive, encourage the disheartened, help the weak, be patient with everyone. 15 Make sure that nobody pays back wrong for wrong but always strive to do what is good for each other and for everyone else. 16 Rejoice always, 17 pray continually, 18 give thanks in all circumstances; for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus.

Getting this confused culminates in salvation by works. We also must not confuse 'descriptive' passages of scripture with 'prescriptive' passages of scripture. The end result of that is also salvation by works/works righteousness.

 

[Rockerduck]

hi Taken- it seems to me that osas is a lack of freewill. If we can no longer choose to leave the faith how is that freewill?

I'm osas and I don't have freewill. I do the will and commandments of Jesus. If you walk to the left or right, you are in rebellion. You may have freewill but I don't.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Now there is a difference between doing the will of the Father IN ORDER TO BECOME SAVED:

John 6:40 - For my Father’s will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day.

AND

Doing the will of the Father AFTER WE HAVE BEEN SAVED:

1 Thessalonians 5:14 - And we urge you, brothers and sisters, warn those who are idle and disruptive, encourage the disheartened, help the weak, be patient with everyone. 15 Make sure that nobody pays back wrong for wrong but always strive to do what is good for each other and for everyone else. 16 Rejoice always, 17 pray continually, 18 give thanks in all circumstances; for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus.

Getting this confused culminates in salvation by works. We also must not confuse 'descriptive' passages of scripture with 'prescriptive' passages of scripture. The end result of that is also salvation by works/works righteousness.

I never promote salvation by works, no way. Were you adressing the post 73 I just added this morning?

if someone believes in Jesus it is not belief in his name only it is also to believe in what he did say and asks us to do in essence as you wrote in 1 Thess 5:14 that is an active faith that produces fruits that God want to see in his believers, you do it not because you think it will give salvation but because we Love God and one another. Love if the fulfillment of the commandments Jesus gave us, it is doing God's will.

 

[Behold]

Many Say ‘Just Believe’… But What Did Jesus Actually Teach?

Believe AND be Made Converted.

Believe (Trust in Christ) and ALL who do = will be instantly converted by God into a born again "New Creation"...."in Christ"...having been "made righteous" by the finished work of Jesus ... ON THE CROSS.

This is why Jesus told us from The Cross......"IT..... is finished (accomplished)."""


Q.) What is the "IT"......reader?


A.) Eternal SALVATION... as Redemption, Justification, Sactification, and Eternal Forgiveness., that is ALL the "imputed righteousness" of God. And ALL that "gift of Salvation"....is only some of what it means to have become a "new Creation" "In Christ".... = "one with GOD".... an "Heir of God", and a "Joint Heir with Jesus".

The Cross of Christ is where GOD meets believing sinner....and sinner becomes "THE Rightesousness of GOD... In Christ".... as "Born again".... as "seated in HEAVELY PLACES:"........now "having Eternal life".

And GOD Himself will be FAITHFUL to complete the Salvation that HE began inside every born again BELIEVER.

Philippians 1:6

Listen up Reader...
= When you are told by anyone that your Salvation is Not Finished, then they deny Christ's accomplishment.
They are denying the : BLOOD OF JESUS.........they are rejecting The Cross.

So, when you hear or read someone's statement that says... Christ is not your ETERNAL SECURITY, then that person does not understand God's Salvation......and they are teaching this.... Galatians 1:8, and they are cursed, and they dont even know it.

How do you spot these deceivers?
Its simple........Just notice that they do not TRUST in CHRIST ALONE.. to : Keep them saved.

-Just notice that they do not TRUST in CHRIST Alone to : Keep them saved.
-.Just notice that they do not TRUST in CHRIST Alone to : Keep them saved.

So, ask yourself Reader.....if they dont TRUST in Christ alone to keep them saved, then WHO are they trusting in to finish their Salvation..?
In whom are they Trusting in to keep them saved if they dont BELIEVE that Jesus is that FINAL answer ????

= They are trusting in themselves (Legalism)....and that is why they want to argue till they explode about doing works and keeping Laws and commandments.

They are trying to save themselves, as that is what you are doing when you dont believe that Jesus KEEPS YOU SAVED.

And the heretic says......"""well Behold.... i know that Jesus started my salvation, but now i have to do the rest........i have to keep this and do that and confess this and avoid that,.. and if i am PERFECT in all this till the moment i DIE...., then i have kept myself saved (I hope)..""".

See that one? ?????? They have no real "HOPE".........at all.
That's a Religious (christian) HERETIC......they are "fallen from GRACE" and "IN The Flesh" .... "carnal minded"...... "they are deceived">.... Paul teaches.
This Fourm has many of those on it....and they will try to drag you away from The Cross that is God's Grace.... an into Law and Commandements, & works and self effort.......which is the "cursed" false Gospel...... Galatians 1:8

 

[LoveYeshua]

Believe (Trust in Christ) and ALL who do = will be instantly converted by God into a born again "New Creation"...."in Christ"...having been "made righteous" by the finished work of Jesus ... ON THE CROSS.

This is why Jesus told us from The Cross......"IT..... is finished (accomplished)."""


Q.) What is the "IT"......reader?


A.) Eternal SALVATION... as Redemption, Justification, Sactification, and Eternal Forgiveness., that is ALL the "imputed righteousness" of God. And ALL that "gift of Salvation"....is only some of what it means to have become a "new Creation" "In Christ".... = "one with GOD".... an "Heir of God", and a "Joint Heir with Jesus".

The Cross of Christ is where GOD meets believing sinner....and sinner becomes "THE Rightesousness of GOD... In Christ".... as "Born again".... as "seated in HEAVELY PLACES:"........now "having Eternal life".

And GOD Himself will be FAITHFUL to complete the Salvation that HE began inside every born again BELIEVER.

Philippians 1:6

Listen up Reader...
= When you are told by anyone that your Salvation is Not Finished, then they deny Christ's accomplishment.
They are denying the : BLOOD OF JESUS.........they are rejecting The Cross.

So, when you hear or read someone's statement that says... Christ is not your ETERNAL SECURITY, then that person does not understand God's Salvation......and they are teaching this.... Galatians 1:8, and they are cursed, and they dont even know it.

How do you spot these deceivers?
Its simple........Just notice that they do not TRUST in CHRIST ALONE.. to : Keep them saved.

-Just notice that they do not TRUST in CHRIST Alone to : Keep them saved.
-.Just notice that they do not TRUST in CHRIST Alone to : Keep them saved.

So, ask yourself Reader.....if they dont TRUST in Christ alone to keep them saved, then WHO are they trusting in to finish their Salvation..?
In whom are they Trusting in to keep them saved if they dont BELIEVE that Jesus is that FINAL answer ????

= They are trusting in themselves (Legalism)....and that is why they want to argue till they explode about doing works and keeping Laws and commandments.

They are trying to save themselves, as that is what you are doing when you dont believe that Jesus KEEPS YOU SAVED.

And the heretic says......"""well Behold.... i know that Jesus started my salvation, but now i have to do the rest........i have to keep this and do that and confess this and avoid that,.. and if i am PERFECT in all this till the moment i DIE...., then i have kept myself saved (I hope)..""".

See that one? ?????? They have no real "HOPE".........at all.
That's a Religious (christian) HERETIC......they are "fallen from GRACE" and "IN The Flesh" .... "carnal minded"...... "they are deceived">.... Paul teaches.
This Fourm has many of those on it....and they will try to drag you away from The Cross that is God's Grace.... an into Law and Commandements, & works and self effort.......which is the "cursed" false Gospel...... Galatians 1:8

I hear you and I get that you're fired up about grace. Honestly, same. The Cross is everything. But I want to push back on a few things, not to fight, just because I think you're missing some of what Scripture actually says.

You're calling people heretics and cursed for suggesting that salvation involves more than a one-time moment of belief. But let's look at who's actually saying that.

Jesus said it.

"He who stands firm to the end will be saved." — Matthew 10:22

"Not everyone who says to me 'Lord, Lord' will enter the kingdom of heaven — only the one who does the will of my Father." — Matthew 7:21

"If you love me, keep my commands." — John 14:15

"If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers." — John 15:6

That last one is huge. Those branches were already in the vine. Jesus wasn't talking to unbelievers there. He was talking to people who were already with him.

Peter said it.

"Be all the more eager to confirm your calling and election." — 2 Peter 1:10

"If, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of Christ, they are again entangled and overcome — the last state is worse than the first." — 2 Peter 2:20

Peter walked with Jesus for three years. He's not a legalist. He's a witness.

John said it.

"The one who says 'I know him' but does not keep his commandments is a liar." — 1 John 2:4

"Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God." — 1 John 3:10

John stood at the foot of the Cross. He's not dragging people away from grace — he's telling us what genuine faith actually looks like.

James said it.

"Faith without works is dead." — James 2:17

"A person is considered righteous by what they do, and not by faith alone." — James 2:24

James literally wrote the words "not by faith alone." That's Scripture.

About that Galatians 1:8 — you're using it like a shutdown button against anyone who disagrees with you. But that verse is about preaching a gospel of works instead of Christ. It was never meant to silence people who quote Matthew, John, Peter, and James and take those words seriously.

When your theology declares everyone who raises these scriptures, containing the words of Jesus to be cursed and deceived, that should concern you.

Nobody here is saying we earn salvation. Grace is real. The Cross is finished. But the same Jesus who said "It is finished" also said "stand firm to the end." Those two things aren't opposites. That's just part the whole Gospel.

 

[Anchorite]

We either have eternal life or we do not.

If you can lose it, do you have to get born again, again? Ridiculous.

1 John 5

11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

 

[Taken]

I'm osas and I don't have freewill. I do the will and commandments of Jesus. If you walk to the left or right, you are in rebellion. You may have freewill but I don't.

I am OSAS, and via my FREEWILL I chose to Commit…

Because… my confession to the Lord, WAS True… according to Gods Way and Order, I received His Gift Offering….
That which is KEPT Preserved By His Power, not mine.

Albeit some…individuals DO, go to an “altar call”… participate in that ritual…(ignorantly), as a “performance” To “impress”, “trick”, “fool”, an observer, But do Not Fool God….
And thus, sure there are … thousands of Christian congregations that have “frauds” sitting amongst them…(for all kinds of reasons, from keeping peace in the family unit to having a ready made business list for potential work solicitation)…
They are “not saved”… but mingle about, use their “church membership as an advantage”and will be plucked out, when it becomes obvious they did not receive or are wearing a prepared white Godly issued wedding garment.

Salvation is A Gift Offering.

They who AGREE to Receive that Offering,
DO SO , while Alive in their natural Flesh.

They Who RECEIVE the Gift Offering of Salvation…
RECEIVE their Gift…
After a bodily Death.

Very ODD For they who OPPOSE “OSAS”…
Never…
* Reveal How Many Times…They Bodily Died, Received their Gift….OR How While Dead, Rejected
Or Lost Their Gift.

Glory to God,
Taken